AEE 1189: 3 Things that You Must Do During a Job Interview with Jon Donnelly
This is an English podcast episode one thousand one hundred eighty nine three things that you must do during a job interview with John Donnelly welcome to the all ears English podcast downloaded unloaded more than fifty million times we believe in connection not perfection with your American hosts Lindsey McMahon the English adventure and Michelle Kaplan The New York radio girl coming to you from Boston and New York City U S A and to get your transcripts delivered by email every week. Go to all ears English dot com forward slash subscribe today. We have a guest on the show John Donnelly will show you how to navigate your next job interview in English and the three crucial things that you absolutely must do during the interview in order to succeed find out what they are today. Hey John Welcome back to all ears English. How are you great? Thank you Lindsey Great. I'm having yeah. I'm happy to have you back on the show John you're here on the show. Oh for episode six twenty four back in twenty seventeen where you taught us how to politely interrupt someone at work which is an awesome topic by the way yes I did. Thank you very much. Yes it was very cool. You've been on the show a few times to talk talk about business topics but today we want to have you here to talk about interviewing but first of all John I want to ask you. Where are you from? And where are you based. Introduce yourself to our audience here please. Yes absolutely so I'm from England. I I was born in a city called Birmingham second biggest city in the U._k.. And I'm currently living in South America in Peru. Wow what's it like living in Peru. Its cold at the moment. We're just going into winter here. We're in the Southern Hemisphere so K. Jumpers on choosing some. Oh I see where does going into summer here in Boston. It's a humid day out so we're in different atmospheres here things right exactly all right right so John. What would you say are the things that most interviews interviewers are trying to find out about about the person being interviewed about the candidate? What would you say our listeners need to know about that? Yes so basically the one of the most important things I would say is. They want to know if you're going to stick around. Yes so talk about your your plans to to be around in the city in that that country for an extended period. I myself have have a problem where I've traveled a lot so in the interviews if I share my experiences of traveling. Around the world I often think well. They think I'll be around for long itchy feet so how do you how do you personally get around that. How do you do you just got to not share your travels or how do you navigate navigate that well? I think it's important to to get across the few happy in in the joke that your going four fifth. This is the job that you want that. You would stick around them. Yeah it would be something for you to due to put roots down. Yeah okay interesting so just being clear that if you like it you will stick around. That's good sizing that part. I love that and I liked that that verb you used stick around so meaning to stay around or to stay in one place to stay there right. I love that that's a really good word for our listeners here. What's something else that the interviewers trying to to get a sense of would you say well? They won't sue to know if you're a nice social person generally to get on with people in that company company so I think it's important not to to avoid any negative experiences so com- common questions in interviews would be <hes>. Why did you leave your last job? He is really important not to mention any things like Oh. I didn't like the people I hate it. My boss me enough. The conditions were awful. There was no free coffee took mention any of them. Don't say that absolutely that would be I would put the red flag up operate for the person interviewing you right away and that sense of like Oh. This person was in a toxic environment but did they create the toxic environment right yeah absolutely <hes> try and go down the path. Where you're you're moving jobs because you want to expand your experience etc etc yeah and for our listeners guys that's really where vocabulary comes in because you can tell the same story but tell it in a bunch of different ways depending on your angle on the story and that's why it's important to have the right vocab awesome and to what would be the third thing that interviewers WanNa find out about you well? Maybe an obvious one but <hes> going to want to know if you can do the job <hes> so. Are you smart Som- can you think on your feet so yeah when you're presented with problems. Can you solve those problems. Yes it's it's it's off examples. Yeah Okay so examples of times when you have been able to make quick decisions visions or make something work. That wasn't working. Is that what you mean okay yeah. That's a great expression to think on your feet. I love that awesome. Okay okay so then all right so we have this idea of what interviewers are trying into no but I bet our listeners would love it if they had three concrete things that they should really be doing in an interview and again. This is from your perspective as a native English Speaker Right. I guess in a bunch of different cultures that you've interviewed in that you that you shared shared with us on board. Be those three things what would be one of them that you should be doing as a candidate yes so we briefly thoughts about the physical side of things so I think that's very important so the beginning of a job interview. You to to to break. The ice sets up a nice a nice environment so yeah fidgeting. We discussed that again. What does it mean to fidget just for our listeners in case? They're not sure what is that yes fidget. That's an ice verb when you're nervous things you do when you're nervous physically so you might be <hes> topping your fingers tapping your feet. Yeah what else playing with your face yeah. These are things we could be doing that. Were not even aware of. Isn't that right yes. I've heard that you should you should look at yourself in the mirror and try and try and figure out what you do when you're nervous some things that make you nervous recency see what kind of body language or you're missing I see. I like that Josh trying control. It's playing poker Scott right poker face. I think we did talk about that that term on the show a few two weeks back into and what else do we should. We try to be funny. What do you think should we be using humor? I think so yeah absolutely why not it really helps to break break down the barrier between the when you're on the insecurities yeah yeah so if you are if we are yeah. I think that that's a key piece. I think trying to be funny. If we're not funny may not work as well where I we should always try to be who we are. I think but yeah a lot of people are quite funny and they're able that's how they establish connections so guys. If that's you then by all means go for it right gopher and there's no reason why you can't do that in English to if you're at the right level how long John should interview last. That's a good question well a good interview where where things are going well. I think around forty five minutes to an hour yeah so yeah the shorts of the interview the the worst things things have gone. Do you have any stories here about an interview that that you had that went really well where you're able to chat with them. Yeah for sure one interview that I'll always remember go. She went on for over an hour and it just didn't feel like an interview. It's whole so <hes> it was like a long shot with an old friend basically oh that's awesome. Did you end up working at the place. Did you end up getting hired. Yes like it's okay yeah I was. I was <hes> told at the end for the end of the interview. Even that I got the job and out of one hundred fifty candidates yeah I was the guy yeah and usually that kind of setup also ended up being a great fit in terms terms of like workplace culture forest. Was it a good fit for you I mean. Did you enjoy working there. It was yeah I had a great time me and my boss <hes> we got on the House on fire the yeah it was definitely a sign of things to come so. Yeah no that's an interesting idiom that you just use. What was that again? You got on like like like a house on fire sounds horrible but it's a good thing. Is that a common idiom in British English locales on for awesome. I like that I like that so it means that just to get along with someone very well right exactly yeah okay. I love it. I love it okay so far the things that we must be doing in an interview number. One is the physical we shouldn't be fidgeting. We should use humor humor if we can. We should break the ice. Is there something else that we should be doing that. Maybe some people skip over and forget to do go shum so I can't think of I think what what was your what about providing abiding numbers that kind of idea like Oh yes so yes so that would be moving on suit to my second tip yes to to provide numbers. Okay sounds stupid but I I think this is a very important so usually you're going to be in an interview situation in in front of a panel <hes> usually around three people <hes> trying to try and figure out which of those people will be the guy you <hes>. You will be reporting to if you're hired. That's the person to focus on this. This personal probably have the final say whether you're hired or not you want to impress that person the most that I'm going to ask you some very tough questions as well so yeah having samples ready so you want to talk about challenges faced problems he solved achievements from previous jobs but the most important thing here is to provide supporting facts and figures oh okay so what kind of fat what kinds of facts and figures are we talking about for example. What should we have prepared? Yes so just thinking back to my job my own personal job experience so when I was working in Spain we working with orders on we received orders and we put them through the system is very complicated but at the end of the day I could say things like well after after a certain period of time after let's say six months or a year order input hut gone up from twenty per day to thirty per day you could also use little phrases like <hes> rose by thirty three percents or increased by a third. I love this on explain. How how the how you did that? Yes I love this. This is so good. This is kind of the next step that I think a lot of people don't do this when they prepare for an interview but guys is you should have these numbers in your head and memorized absolutely because an employer wants to know what kind of value you're going to provide for them so it's your job to paint the picture for them in English of how that will look for their business right up and the the facts when you do the academic writing so it's fine so half these numbers in your head and renown but you have to phrase them correctly. That's that's difficult for native speakers so I'll see you get. Given data and you have to explain the charts and the graph so so all of this language like rose strokes fell yeah yes so it's a right those phrases down learn them yeah. I'm done get them out. In the few absolutely you guys have a lot of our listeners also are taking outs. They may be listening over to the Isles Energy podcasts as well or in our course three keys out so guys. If you're in that course you know these phrases you know these ways to phrase writing task one responses so go ahead and use those I love it so good okay so John what would be your next tip then the third thing that we must be doing during an interview. What do you think <hes> yeah so <hes> my thoughts that would be asking your own questions this <hes> this is usually at the end of an interview but I think it's important to to come up with your own questions? During the interview again this goes back to my first points of making all of a conversation instead of them foreign questions you for for an hour. Ask You questions <hes> it shows that you're interested and <hes> yeah go for it so yes. I just want to go back doc and talk about something that happened to me when I was younger so yes. If if you're going to be things that you probably have never heard of before especially in technical jobs so just be honest. My is my advice admit that you don't know what it is and it's an excellent opportunity to ask questions about sit yeah yes if you don't have any experience of its sound interested interested and keen to learn about whatever it is <hes> and yet turn into a conversation so is that something that happened to you then specifically during an interview where they asked you questions that you are just not sure of what they were talking about or yes this. This happened to me so I went for an I._C._S.. Fuel of computers and computing they asked me what a d._N._S.. Server walls I kind of knew but I didn't really know and Michael Down. I try to wing it which to to get up. Get up as you go along yeah so yeah yeah yeah yeah. That doesn't look good and you're smarter mine now so much so many years later. How would you have handled that you would have admitted that you didn't know and you would have just said maybe asked what it was or I would have expressed my desire to to learn more about it? <hes> Yeah Yeah Yeah for sure yeah awesome. I love it. That's good. It's good to learn from your stories yeah. It's good to learn from other people's stories of how they've handled job interviews guys these are. Really important facts now the idea of not fidgeting you know going with breaking the ice also providing numbers and finally asking your questions. These are all ways that you can build that report that is so key to getting the job is so important. I know you think John Yes absolutely I want to quickly just mentioned <hes> the types of questions that you should be asking okay and at the end of the interview the definitely going to say do you have any questions and and this is where you can show that you have research the company. This is very important as well. You must get on the incident and read up as much about the competitors etc and you've got to be asking open questions so see you don't want to be asking. Yes no no questions because it's going to kill the conversation see. Won't you wants to be asking why how <hes> such yeah that's so important yes so so instead of <hes> who are your main competitors which will just they'll. They will just be able to rattle off one or two competitor names. I asked them. Why do you think you'll competitors? Products are so good <hes> while they better while they worse than your own product success yeah that's it opens up a conversation. Oh it's a completely different question right. It's a completely different line of inquiry into different starting a really interesting conversation especially if that interviewer is interested in what they're doing. It's going to build that connection immediately immediately guys again as we see everything comes back to connection and report and it's so important in an interview so important yes I love it. I love it. This is great well John. This has been great. It's been so good to have you in. Just talk about this topic. I bet some of our listeners are looking to apply for new job this summer so they'll need this advice from you so sure they will awesome so John. Where can our listeners find you to potentially work with you to prepare for some interviews this summer or work on their business English in general Oh yeah sure <hes> so I'm on mytalk DOT com danger there so if you go to ice hockey dot com forward slash teacher forward slash one zero two six nine three to take you to my profile Oh and you can check my availability there okay excellent and guys just as a first step before you go to the profile you can actually enter with our special link if you want to get tenuous dollars to go towards your second lesson on I.? Talkie <music> so start at all ears English dot com forward slash I._T.. A. L. K. I. and then your step to would be to go over to John's profile after you have registered as a new student in I- Talkie John. Can you say your profile one more time for our listeners sooners absolutely Lindsey. It's one zero two six nine three two all right. This has been great. Thanks for coming on the show again. Don I appreciate it happy to have you here. Pleasure Lindsey thank you all right have a good one okay bye bye. Thanks so much for listening to all ears English and if you need a seven or higher on your aisles exam to achieve your life vision than our insider method can get you there start with our free video series.