Day 1,027: Trump remains defiant hours before public impeachment hearing
Tonight Congress raises the curtain on impeachment hearings with the first live televised proceedings. Just hours away has just tonight. We're learning about next week's witness Nisa list. And it's fair to say the testimony will be relentless as the Democrats. Keep their eye on the calendar. Tonight we'll go over some of the evidence we will hear from tomorrow's first witnesses and the reporting on the trump White House from just today including the latest name. The president allegedly wanted to get rid of and fresh fresh from being handed. What he wanted by our president tomorrow? The leader of Turkey visits the People's House against the wishes of many lawmakers. WHO's still care about that sort of thing as the eleventh hour gets underway? This Tuesday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. One Thousand Twenty seven of the trump administration and we're now just hours away from the start of the first impeachment hearings in generation. The Nation has been here three times in our history in the modern era with Nixon. And Clinton it's the sad fact of life but traditionally if impeachment touches your presidency. It goes right to the top of your obituary and stays there forever tomorrow morning. Democrats will take their closed-door investigation public as they begin to lay out a story of bribery and extortion as they see it a president using military leterrier aid to secure an investigation of his political rival. Tomorrow's Witnesses will be deputy assistant secretary of State George Kent and acting. US Ambassador Senator. To Ukraine Bill Taylor both of their closed-door depositions were released. Just last week you'll recall. It was Cantu told. Lawmakers trump quote wanted nothing nothing less than presidents Alinsky to go to a microphone and say Investigations Biden and Clinton while it was Taylor who testified quote that was my clear understanding security assistance. Money would not come until the president of Ukraine committed to pursue the investigation. The hearing will take place. Before the House Intelligence Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff and ranking member Devon Nunez. The top Republican will lead the questioning which will also include civilian lawyers. Is this time more on that later. On Ohio Republican Congressman Jim Jordan. A defender of trump at all costs and on all fronts was added to the Intel L. Committee just last week and is expected to provide a vigorous defense during tomorrow's hearing facts on the president side. The truth is on the side. There's four fax will not change have not changed we'll never change so that's his view. And meantime trump resorted to familiar attacks during a speech today here in New York workout. The Economic Club Democrats in Washington would rather pursue outrageous hoaxes and delusional witch hunts which are going absolutely nowhere. Don't worry about it. Democrats on the House. Intel Committee announced eight additional witnesses to testify publicly on through next week. A Tuesday that committee will hear from four people. They include ambassador. Kurt Volker and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men Wednesday three more including ambassador. Consider Gordon Sunland. The week closes out on Thursday. With Dr Fiona Hill. The former National Security Council official who worked under John Bolton. There's it's also news tonight about the man responsible for bringing the whistle blowers complain to Congress in the First Place New York Times reporting trump has considered firing the intelligence allegiance Communities Inspector General Michael Atkinson because of this action. The president has said he does not understand why Mr Atkinson shared the complaint complaint. He has said he believes Mr Atkinson whom he appointed in two thousand seventeen has been disloyal. And there's new reporting tonight from the Washington Post about the two associates associates of Rudy. Giuliani that our friends at SNL quickly branded the Tusch wrecks the post reports one on the left left Parnis says that he and his business partner on the right there. Ebor Fruman told trump at an April twenty eight dinner that are US ambassador to Ukraine back. Then Marie Marie Ivanovich was unfriendly to the president and should be fired. Please note here. This is the stuff of US foreign policy. Both PARNIS and Froma Roman who allegedly helped Giuliani set up. Meetings with Ukrainian officials have been charged by federal prosecutors with campaign finance violations today. Attorney General William Liam Bar. who has tried hard to give the appearance of keeping his distance from all impeachment related issues was asked about Rudy Giuliani's ties just to Ukraine out of their actions are of? I'm not GonNa talk about what's going on in inside the beltway as some of the shenanigans that are going on these days is all of this unfolds folds. ERTA one of Turkey gets to visit the White House tomorrow. Fresh from launching the military offensive into Kurdish lands that was green lit by the president tonight it. NBC News reports former National Security Adviser. John Bolton apparently told a private audience at an event quote he believes there is a personal or business. Ns relationship dictating trump's position on Turkey because none of his advisors are aligned with the president on the issue that should be enough to get our panel started tonight all three returning Veterans Carol Lennick Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter for The Washington. Post Robert Costa National Political reporter here in Washington for The Washington Post and moderator of Washington Week on PBS and Shannon Petty Piece Veteran Journalists Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital Digital. Good evening and welcome to you all Robert Costa. I'd like to begin with you and your beat which is spending a lot of time. On Capitol Hill do people in Congress. Congress seemed to comprehend the gravity of what starts tomorrow. Or is this going to be more of a rolling gravity situation if you will will at the Capitol today walking around the halls of the Senate by the trains over at the House of Representatives. It's clear that lawmakers in both parties understand stay in the gravity of this moment in impeachment process the president of the United States his presidency on the line the challenge for both parties is. How is this going to play nationally as we go into a re election year for President Trump Democrats believe this is the critical phase the public phase to tie all this testimony ammonia that reporters have poured over and let the average citizen? WHO's out there working hard at a job or with their family to now digest this information in a way? That's understandable about a country. They may not follow on foreign policy in an incremental way Ukraine. Carol this may be unanswerable. But if it's answerable there's no one better than you to take the question. What might we hear for the first time tomorrow? That we don't know is coming up that we haven't heard heretofore. I think really what's important That you're going to hear tomorrow. Brian is a more cohesive version aligned. With what Bob outlined so well just now is. You're going to hear basically chapter one of what the House Democrats I believe is their best. Evidence impeaching the president and establishing a huge evidential sort of brick about why the president abused his public office his presidential powers for his personal gain in in most public offices. That would be reason to charge someone with extortion and or bribery. And what the Democrats are GONNA lay out. Its chapter one. And that is State Department officials who were hearing from people inside the White House and completely flummoxed that the president was essentially holding over the head of Ukraine four hundred million dollars in military aid not releasing it unless they were willing to do an investigation that would help him and harm Democrats Shannon. Petty piece is is there a day facto hotline from Republicans in the House and Senate to the White House that could be used to set up a kind of telephonic. A phonics room at least some kind of real time response to what we see starting tomorrow. Well if there was more coordination and organization relation within the White House that certainly could be possible. But as I have reported and we've talked about before the White House has really been struggling to come up with a strategy for how to handle impeachment but the White House has been talking with their allies in Congress for a while now about trying to come up with a strategy what the best messaging should be for tomorrow and one thing the White House is hoping will come out of this is ability to distance the president from these witnesses so no matter how damning their testimony is and how salacious. Maybe the things they say will be. Republican members will say well. Did you have any conversation with the president directly about this. Well no this was things things that they had heard is what the Republicans on this committee are going to push for so to say that these witnesses had no direct information about what the president was thinking or any direct conversations conversations with the president on this. At least that's the hope out of this but of course the White House. They have a whole day of counter programming scheduled to try and counter. This as you mentioned the Turkish president is there which on any other day would probably be the the lead headline story given the controversy around this visit and Turkey and Congress working on sanctions. There's a possibility some members from the Senate will be at the White House tomorrow simultaneously with this Turkish visit. Possibly a meeting between some of the Big Turkey hawks on the hill and Bertillon. You'll potentially that could be in the works and of course the trump campaign and maybe a silver lining in all this they going to have about twenty staffers working rapid response. What's on this and they're hoping this will be a big fundraising day for them tomorrow? As they have seen for other days like the Muller testimony like the Big Impeachment House House vote That appear to be harmful for the president but are really used by the campaign to rally his base and raise a ton of money or I Robert Shannon opened the door to this. I want to show you what happened when our cameras went after some prominent Republican senators asking them. If they'll be watching tomorrow. Do you watch the hearing tomorrow. No this week no not at all the tomorrow. I'm going to be paying attention what we're doing on the Senate. I don't have time to watch that. Tamar arm I've got other things to do now will not be watching. I think this whole thing is a sham. So Bob People are going to be picking up their laundry and resorting. Their sock. Jurors was anything but watching the hearing number one. Do you believe those answers were honest and number two. Is this any way for possible. Prospective Jurors to behave well. Brian will the cameras were chasing around those Republican senators. Today I was about ten steps down the hallway waiting for them to get out of the range of the cameras cameras and pulling them aside and while they say publicly. They're not going to watch the impeachment proceedings on Wednesday. Let me tell you if you look at my notebook today. Almost almost all of them will keep close track of it but when I asked him how do they. Are they going to engage with it. How will they respond? They say they want to frame this. As a partisan an exercise and they felt more uncomfortable about the Mueller investigation. Because Mr Muller was a non-partisan figure but now they see with chairmanship in the House and Opportunity Unity and the Republicans view to say. This is all partisan rand. Paul Senator from Kentucky on the record told me he can't wait to move to dismiss this entire impeachment humint once it comes to the Senate should it come to the Senate with a motion to dismiss. So there's the partisan soldiers the trump soldiers whether it's devin nunes in the house or Mark Meadows knows Jim Jordan. They're getting ready. So Senator Paul and Senator Graham in the Senate to make this political warfare not engagement of the substance which is what Democrats want to do on Wednesday to make it about the word. I kept hearing from Democrats today. Solemn is a solemn moment so shannon in addition to rudy. Giuliani Giuliani We have these two gentlemen who were swept up at Dulles Airport Washington Post headline on on this et donor. Dinner Giuliani Associates said. He discussed Ukraine with trump according to people familiar with his account. That's accessible us when you get to talk to the Boston right. And there have been pitchers going around of these men with the president. I'll say they are sort of a black box at this point to the White House. The president's lawyers the White House aides the top advisors. They don't know what these guys are going to say. There is no mutual defense pence agreement between these two and the president like we saw with the Muller investigation. We're really the White House. And the president's lawyers were working with a lot of witnesses and had access the same documents and records as they do. The White House has nothing so this is really a blind spot. Among a number of blind spots they have at this point that they are trying to navigate as the story keeps evolving in the few people. I have gotten to talk to you about this. They they really don't know where this story is going. There's a hope that there are sort of a side show to this. Yes but in this whole process. There's always that thread. You can pull where things start to unravel and many of the people close. The president don't know if this could be one of those threads grads Carolina. You were one of four person byline today. Here's the headline White House. Infighting flares amid impeachment inquiry and of course part the theme of the piece is how counterproductive how unusual this is you. And I both know a boatload of former Clinton White House aides who will all tell you it was imperative. What is that? Everyone was on the same page while that was going on. It's actually one of the most vulnerable making elements of this White House else at this very moment bryant because here they are staring down some really bad facts and Shin points out some facts. They don't know so it's a murky shimmery object that they're not sure how to box with and yet there is so much infighting there is the White House Chief of staff at war war with the White House counsel usually. They're in concert in this case they're staring at each other. Like maybe one of them can get the other one's job. There is the debate between also Mulvaney and Bolton John Bolton the former national security adviser telling basically Mulvaney eh when he tried to join onto their lawsuit about testimony. Stand back away from my lawsuit there. Is this sort of stunning division. Then within the White House and among the key people who are witnesses you know I was interested in in something Shannon said earlier about the Republicans trying to argue. Hey did did you talk to the president. Do you know what the president said because apparently you don't well. There are two people here in the White House former and current who have talked talked to the president about this and they don't like each other and they don't agree and that is a problem for Donald Trump. I'll certainly glad to hear everybody getting along. A quick programming note to to our viewers will have live coverage of the public hearing all day tomorrow beginning nine. Am Eastern right here on this network in this very studio in fact and we just might mention that again Dan at the end of the broadcast so we appreciate our big three starting us off tonight. Carolina Robert Costa Shannon. Petty piece are. Thanks thanks really appreciate it coming up tonight. Two of the most important players for tomorrow's hearing are not elected to office but they will be grilling the witnesses. There's a look at two of the lawyers in charge of making the case for and against this president and later Nikki Haley surprises a lot of people and now sounds like the rest of the crowd in her party. She has decided to go all in for Donald Trump. The eleventh hour just getting started on this Tuesday night looking at the West Wing. Yeah Congress absolutely has oversight power but it does not have oversight power during an over a pending investigation. Let's talk about a guy specifically that guy viewers of the hearing starting tomorrow are going to see something. Different Front members of Congress are GONNA have limited participation perhaps saving them from themselves and civilian lawyers will take on more of the questioning shinning and interrogation and viewers of this broadcast may recognize that familiar face. Daniel Goldman is a former assistant. US Attorney for the Southern District District of New York who appeared regularly here as a legal analyst and that pending investigation he mentioned is now over. Goldman is now working for the Democratic majority already in the Intelligence Committee and about him the Washington Post reports tonight Goldman is slotted to question each witness for forty five minutes followed by five five minute question sessions for each lawmaker. Stephen Are Castor General Counsel for the House Oversight Committee will be the Republicans point man by signing finding a big chunk of the questioning to a committee lawyer and in Goldman's case an accomplished former prosecutor party leaders are tacitly acknowledging thing. Just how serious the stakes are well. Last saw. That's asked someone who has been in the game for more on what to watch tomorrow. And that's Barbara mcquade veteran federal a prosecutor former. US Attorney for the Eastern District of the Great State of Michigan Barbara. How is it better to have civilian lawyers in these kinds of roles if indeed it is? I think it's much better out for a couple reasons. One is you often see in these hearings so political. Grandstanding that goes on politicians are just looking for the sound bite to say something outrageous To get their image on the news later that day whereas Someone like a Dan Goldman is in there just to do the job. He's not looking for to score political points. He doesn't have any sort of re election coming up. He's not looking to raise money so he is. They're just take ask the questions The other is he's trained and experienced in asking questions. It isn't just the questions it's listening to the answers in the same way you do. Brian the experience experience of knowing to listen and to ask follow ups to have a line of questioning with it builds on itself as it continues to go and the final thing is we often see in these hearings. I five minute alternating questioning between different parties. which makes it very difficult to build a sustained line of questioning by giving Dan Goldman forty five minutes he he can do a lot of good work during that time and elicit a lot of important testimony? If you were chief counsel for the House Intel Committee how would you recommend a focus. Their questions the answers to which after all have to become part of the story they want to tell well one of the things they have the advantage manage of having taken the depositions of all of these witnesses already behind closed doors. I think I would scrutinize those transcripts. And look for what is the most compelling Ling Information these people have for us and then allow the words come out of their mouths. I wouldn't want to give a long leading question only to have the answer. That comes out out of say ambassador William Taylor's to be yes or no. I want the worse to come out of his mouth and so setting up the questions and so that when when the things come out like There I came to believe that there was a request for election interference and that the price for that was military aid. You want those words to come out of the mouth of William Taylor and not out of Dan Goldman so I am sure he has been very busy structuring his questions. In such a way as to elicit those words out of the witnesses mounts and barb finally if I can teleport you all the way east to Washington the Roger Stone trial coverage of which has been limited by everything else. We're paying attention attention to these days. Stone declined to take the stand but Rick Gates did and did he do any damage I think he did one of the things that came out of this. In addition to the testimony against Roger Stone which to me is a strong case because so much of it relies on the documents compared to the testimony that that he gave but one of the things that we learned today was some of the information that had previously been redacted from the Mullahs report and that was when rickets related. The story of this a car ride. He had with President trump where president trump was getting a briefing from Roger Stone about the release of emails from wikileaks It it was sort of confirmed something that we've long suspected but now has been confirmed by what was behind those redaction bars in the Muller report. Is that president. Trump did have advanced information about those wikileaks emails. When he said in his written testimony to Robert Muller that he did not recall? I think it makes us all the more suspicious about whether that answer was true. Although it is very difficult if not impossible to ever prove what someone does or does not recall something. We say once a week around here and that is it's all there for the reading and the Muller report and in fact some of those black lines have now been unmasked as our audience just hurt Barbara mcquade. It is always a pleasure. Thank you very much for your time tonight. Coming up for us. Next Tuesday marks twenty one years since the House last held impeachment hearing up next the similarities. He's and the differences and how Congress has tried to hold the president accountable when we continue the programs regularly scheduled for this time will not be seeing today in order that we might bring you the following NBC News Special Report. Watergate Senate hearings live coverage Abridge of Senator Ervin's Senate Select Committee hearings into the Watergate affair. Try to speak exactly that way tomorrow morning. That's how the very first week of nationally televised impeachment hearings got underway on NBC News. Back in nineteen seventy three forty six years after Nixon and Watergate on the eve of trump public impeachment hearing there are plenty of comparisons to be made and a lot of people willing to make them. But as our own Steve Kornacki put it today. Quote the hope among Democrats dances that the hearings will feature televised testimony so compelling the public opinion breaks decisively toward impeachment thereby scrambling the politics on Capitol Hill but as tantalizing as the comparison is for Democrats. There's reason to doubt that the coming Ukraine hearings will lead to a similar shift in public opinion. And let's talk about that here with us to do that. Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post and AB stoddard columnist and associate editor at real clear. Clear politics. Good evening and welcome to you. Both Eugene talk about public opinion how quickly or how slowly it may change and of course starting with the phone in my hand nothing today is as it was no story partisanship. It's all different front. It is all different and and so basically. We don't know how this is going to play out. We don't know what's going to happen into public opinion in my guess is that something has to happen in these in these hearings There there has to be a moment moment probably Or series of moments that that that clarified The the the allegations The evidence that INS- That that really bring it home to people For there to be a sudden shift in public opinion then again yeah and it could be a gradual thing. It could be that the fact of of these weeks of public testimony and people listening to them have a sort of an effective accretion on public opinion. we just we just don't know this is a different world from the world during Watergate Gate Communications Different Partisanship I mean things. Were pretty partisan back then. But they're awfully partisan now People you know the the tribes are in their corners but I I have a feeling that there will be surprises. And obviously I don't know what those surprises There's public opinion and there's Republican opinion. What will it take to change? Change the ladder and while you're at it run through for me. Something I watched you do brilliantly at four eastern time this afternoon big name Republicans and who suddenly have been implicated in all of this right. I think that the daily storm focused on these little things lots of tweets from the president. Diverting the messaging and smashing the newest talking point for Jim Jordan on the other defenders in the Congress but the broad picture is how much this was a conspiracy. meaning that people were conspiring like. We're Giuliani and Gordon Song. Lynn and others at the behest ask the president had states but in their complicity they were involved conspiracy and that includes bill bar the attorney general. The Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Mike Pence the vice president Rick Perry the former Energy Secretary and Mike Pompeo the secretary of state and that is how much how deep and broad this goes and that's why Republican senators do not know what revelations will be made far beyond the hearings of this week before they they have to vote in a trial Eugene the charging among the Republicans they're making it about fairness. Why can't this be the the rules of a courtroom? Why can't there be a call? Witnesses rebuttal and all of that and it's a very simple and appealing the argument. Is there an equally simple and appearing appealing comeback from the Democrats. Well they can say this doesn't look like a trial because it's not a trial The trial Takes place if it does indeed take place in the Senate This is more analogous to You know preliminary proceeding leading the grand jury proceeding or were something like that Proceeding in which. There's a decision as to whether or not To to file charges I'm against President trump the defendant in this case Now does that cut through the argument that Republicans are making probably leave for the You know for the deepest Red Republicans it may not But that is in fact the case this is not in fact a Trial it is being conducted under rules were basically written by Republicans and when they had the the majority in the house and there is no set playbook for how to do this impeachment. Democrats make the argument at their bending over backwards to try to be fair to the president. Let's hold it right there and we'll ask both of our guests to stay with US coming up. The Nikki Haley of 2016. Sixteen sure sounds a lot different from today's Nikki Haley. We'll talk about her. We'll talk about that when we come back Time Rex Tillerson and as chief of staff. John Kelly you said that you told the president that he had these two folks who are working against him. How surprise you that the president decided to keep both of them on board even after you told them well? They're they're gone so I told him in due time and he figured it out on his own and the rest he was able to figure out Washington Post columnist Kathleen. Parker latest piece is called Nikki. Haley had it all then she wrote a book and blew it in the book and in interviews on her current book tour the former. UN Ambassador and two-term South Carolina Governor has clearly decided to go all in for Donald Trump. And that certainly hasn't always been the case. Did you ever have any doubt about the fitness of this president. Donald Trump is everything. I taught my children not to do in kindergarten. Any question about his truthfulness his ability. To tell the truth. I taught my two little ones. You don't line make things up. I never had any concern on whether he could handle the job. And never a man who has filed for bankruptcy four the times in every instance that I dealt with him he was truthful. He listened Amanda she uses not to disavow KKK. That is not a part of our party already. That's not present country and he was great to work with interesting little mash up there. Still with us our Eugene Gene Robinson and a B stoddard. Maybe you get to go first on this one. What do you think we're watching? What do you think has happened there? Well we knew and she left that she was very shrewd and very good at becoming through the first person to leave on her own terms and the trump administration leaving herself many Options for the future and that she was quite ambitious and had earned herself. You know a very good reputation had been good at the job of ambassador when people said she didn't have the chops to do it and then she went into private life and we learned she was writing this book. But the the timing of this and the full throated full bore into the trump onto the trump train is is has definitely surprised. A lot of people people on the idea that on this book tour in your book she would hang out. People like REX. Tillerson General Kelly and she said said she was offended that they were trying to things like general. Kelly had to stop the president early on in the administration from pulling our troops out of South Korea. I mean what what did she want him to do. So it's amazing. I was offended. Actually by the fact that she was willing to throw people under the bus like that and the voters will decide you when she's in a primary someday but she is definitely decided that you need to be on board with the trump family who she's close with and the trump train. If if you want a future in this party Eugene Haley and Romney. Romney and Haley were the fever dream day of the never trumper. Republicans is out there and there's leaves half of that equation now it sure. Does I know this is not going to be a popular stance with the never-trumpers. That's for sure but clearly. She's made a calculation collation. I think she's she's very ambitious. He obviously wants to be president. She seems to thinks she can be president but if she's she seems to think that if if she's going to have success in the Republican party she's got stay on as close to Donald. Trump has white on rice. Chief got up the right right there with him. There can't be any daylight because the Republican Party is essentially the Trumpian party now or that's the base of the party that's a calculation. She's making the you know the danger obviously is that once trump is gone. The trumpy nece changes mutates dissipates dissipates. It's not so much blind allegiance to him when he's gone as as just just to sort of perhaps the ninety article shift in the party this way or that way but it's not all about him personally once he's gone if that's the case then this is a bad move on her part A. B. I note. Mike Bloomberg flew to Arkansas to come in under the filing deadline in in that state. A wait till he learns that Americans like to see their presidential candidates on commercial flights preferably in coach. Be What what impact is he going to have on this race. We presume he's getting in because Why else would he be signing that piece paper in Arkansas today? Oh it's getting in because because he thinks that the field does not have the right candidates to be President Trump If he really believes that Joe Biden should be the nominee he could back him financially. Chilly Joe Biden's campaign needs some money and said he's going to siphon off votes from him at some point in the process but he can never be the nominee because he's not going to get any kind of adequate support from African American voters or done college white voters. The kind of. He's he's going to get some people who are more centrist in the Elizabeth Warren Coalition Educated White Liberals and he has done Passionate Senate generous outreach and work on the issue of climate and guns that will speak to some progressives but I doubt it's enough to get him in the game mm-hmm and as I said I think it in the in the end if he thinks Biden is the person that could be trumper. He did months ago. I think he just you know hinders him and helps the party. Choose more progressive candidate. That would be a better nominee for president trump to face off against next year the always truthful and end forthright. ABC and Eugene Robinson. Thank you friends both of you for coming on tonight coming up for us. Trump's attempt to counter programming tomorrow it involves a white White House visit from a certain world leader as tomorrow's impeachment hearings get get underway way. There will be an iron fisted leader in the White House named her to want tomorrow. Donald Trump is hosting the president of Turkey at the White House. His visit comes just weeks after Turkey invaded. Kurdish held territory in northern Syria. There is bipartisan opposition to tomorrow's meeting a group of House lawmakers sent the president a letter saying Oregon's decision to invade Syria has had disastrous consequences for our national security and adding quote. We believes that now is particularly inappropriate time for President ERTA WAN to visit the United States. And we urge you to rescind the invitation Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney of Wyoming coming also send Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo a letter on Monday regarding that 2017 attack on a peaceful demonstration in Washington. You may remember this. The scene the Turkish security guys were brutal. She also posted quote secretary. Pump Pale must ensure any ERTA won- thugs who to attack. American protesters during the ones last visit are denied entry into the US and expel any who are here. We will not tolerate violence against Peaceful Foale. Protesters this is America. Well back with us again. Tonight is Christopher dickey a veteran foreign correspondent journalist author. He's now the Paris based World News editor for the daily beast. Chris what it. What message is Donald Trump sending to the rest of the world by inviting this guy here right now first of all? It's a distraction from the impeachment proceedings. Although I'm not sure that he timed it so carefully as to do that. The main thing he's doing is showing that he's going to have good relations with air to on with Turkey Even though he almost blew it in September and October you know all this started an NBC. Did a great report on this. All this in many ways started at the UN General L. Assembly when trump snubbed air to on completely he saw dozen other leaders couldn't find the time to see air to on air. Duan insisted on having a phone uncall- and in that phone call said I'm going to invade northern Syria and you can't do anything about it and trump said okay and he's been trying to make up for that disastrous Chris decision ever since there. You are in Europe where we just marked. The thirtieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall give us a status report on what trump and the trump presidency has done to the Atlantic alliance and what has become of the US Russia Russia relationship. Now you have to remember that the Atlantic Alliance originally was formed to confront the the Soviet Union. And we're now in a position where Vladimir Putin is trying to revive if not the Soviet Union at least the old Russian empire and who presents himself as a major threat over the long term to the security of Europe but his buddy donald trump is doing everything he can chan took dismantle the North Atlantic alliance to the extent where President Macron here in. France told the economists last week. You know look we. The NATO alliance is brain dead. We can't go on without a better bill better leadership from the United States We're going to have to start learning to fend for for ourselves. Better win. mccraw said something similar to that last year trump through fit and and so we had this completely erratic radic series of signals that are sent that are not gradually rapidly corroding the whole nature of the North Atlantic Alliance alliance and making it difficult for Europe to defend against Russia. You've been kind enough to join us the time time never works out well on your end. It's coming up on six. Am on what we note. Is Tomorrow November thirteenth here in the states. That means Where you are car? It is now the fourth anniversary of the body clan attack. A moment we covered here on the air with your help as a live breaking news event. Talk about the legacy of what happened that night think I went down to the back. Climb yesterday I well your day. Still I went down to the clown yesterday and to some of the other sites That were hit and it was remarkable how peaceful they were and how in many ways you would never know that anything like that happened but of course there permanent scars here the Good News News. Is that the French have been very effective Since two thousand sixteen in stopping terrorist attacks they seem to have gotten a handle on it. But we don't know. Oh here's what's going to happen as we start to have more and more people returning from the Isis Battlefront in Syria and Iraq isis assist fighters who may well water bring the war back home. The French and Europe generally tried to keep them at arms leaks keeps them imprisoned in the Middle East but air doan is now shipping them back trying to ship them back to Europe and the Kurds. Of course who were betrayed by Donald trump can't really hold onto them that much longer. Our thanks as always to Chris Dickey high above the morning. Traffic on the Schoen's elise say thank you for joining us as always coming up the work that lies ahead and the story that will be told beginning tomorrow morning the last thing before we go tonight a reminder of the stakes tomorrow the first impeachment hearings in generation the third impeachment hearings of the modern political era and a reminder of where we've been perhaps you're old enough to remember the Mueller investigation. We mentioned at a time or two on this broadcast broadcast. Robert Swan Muller the third was revered by those who served under him spoken of almost exclusively in heroic terms he has now left the public eye. Having left Americans with an image of something perhaps less than that. The Mullahs report was withering indeed damning in in its findings but it was written for another era another time and American attention span and civic mindedness that we haven't seen around here in generations rations because Muller was so by the book. The book that resulted was actually read by very few the president's bombast and the boost he received received from his attorney general worked to in effect. Prejudge the Muller Conclusions and it ended up diminishing the Miller report and that brings us tomorrow tomorrow to hear the Democrats tell it now. They have a story they can tell one that people can understand a phone call and extortion plot. They say an American can president holding back military aid for dirt on his opponent. Tomorrow they get to start telling that story. Tomorrow's Witnesses State Department Veterans Bill. Bill Taylor and George Kent then on Friday we hear from former ambassador. Uganda vetch then. Next week it truly becomes relentless Tuesday Jennifer Williams who works for pants and then lieutenant colonel then former ambassador Volcker and former White House aide. Tim Morrison next Wednesday R. E. U. Ambassador. Gordon Sunland the big trump donor. Laura Cooper from the Pentagon David Hale from state and the next day we hear from Dr Fiona Hill importantly family our coverage tomorrow begins at nine. AM Nicole Wallace. And I will join you from this very studio with all our journalists and contributors and a special guest or two. We hope you'll join us for our day long coverage and as we get into these hearings this will be the broadcast to turn to each night for a review of that day's testimony any along with smart analysis so for this night that's our broadcast on a Tuesday evening. Thank you so much for being here with us and good night from NBC News Headquarters here in New York new for meet the press that Chuck Todd Cast. 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