Mike Schultz- Highland Training


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From the Lane Tierney and lane suggested her fiance who were still trying to connect with. And she also suggested Mike Schultz of highland training. Mike has an interesting and ECLECTIC story. I think he's been involved in doing endurance things almost as long as I have. Michael Tell you in advance. My first heart rate monitor was one thousand nine hundred ninety but not that far difference. We're here at coffee. Buddha enjoying the rainy weather so mike thanks for for taking time to talk to the podcast. You're definitely welcome. And I love doing podcast because I get to share the story and everything. I've learned over the past twenty years when it comes to cycling and strength and conditioning. So we're we take it from here but we were talking a little bit before four. We started recording about the difficulty of actually making your living as an endurance coach. And I know there's a lot of people with personal training with coaching etc.. It's very easy to throw out the co- the term coach and CEO Amoco Sir. I do this or I do that. But the people who are actually saying I need to bring the money and I need to be qualified are few and far between so when you see somebody. You're at a bar your the coffee shop or something and they say what do you do. What's kind of your thirty second elevator your Spiel I Mike Schultz in I do I? Coach endurance athletes I I mainly coach cyclists and the majority of them are mountain bikers. Sir We spoke about this earlier but the trend is a lot of people are starting to move onto dirt and love racing their bikes You certified specialists in the strength conditioning. Field with the NCAA and have a few other certifications been coaching for eleven years. full-time fulltime been Coaching racing basically learning the sport in the Science for over twenty years. Now so You know that's what I do due full-time into work hard for every person that comes through my door I'm always curious and I know there's a fair number of people who will be listening. This will say this is aw. Why Endurance Sports? And I know from reading your bio and looking at your webpage highland training before you coached you actually were a participant in these things. So it's not somebody who's just standing there with a whistle saying you do it because this is what the book says you've actually experienced it. How did you get into doing endurance? And Ultra Endurance. Events Do. Did you do that that in high school where you are runner in high school. I played hockey house actually a goalie in high school and I loved playing hockey. But you know Post High School Bowl Hockey League's went on for so many years. And then amend the Meyer early twenties. I started discovering bikes. Actually I think it started discovering bikes when I was like eighteen nineteen running around the neighborhoods and loved riding in started seeing these guys going fast in SPANDEX and and Hate me and these guys look fast. I was kind of interested in that. Didn't really get heavily into racing until I was about twenty five or twenty six. It's when a life change happens and quit the corporate job and Move to the mountain road my bike every day and worked part time and from there. Where is where I really fell in love with going long and seeing the views the scenery and you know on early morning misty mornings mornings and you're climbing mountains and there's no around it's just I don't know it's addicting so that's how I got got into it question? I always have to ask because I have to get it out of the way whenever interview or talk to somebody who's a cyclist. You've probably heard the equation. The perfect number of bikes is and plus one. Where N is the current number? You have so many bikes. Do you currently have well. I have a few bikes have a few bikes. That are not even operational right now. I am not the Tech Guy. I just like to feel fastened. Komo bike always have I always. Will I get a bike and I ride it in until it doesn't work and then I get another bike and so I have just just the basic necessities I have a really great mound by specialized stump jumper. And I have a doable road. BICA which is an elise. Actually the lease I think won the World Championship This past year so I'm on aluminum bike but I'm still proud of it So yeah I just keep those bikes and that gets me through the year wintertime indoors outdoors around as much as I can and keep it pretty simple so and you mentioned how you got into cycling cling way by seeing people wearing spandex and often when you see people spinning by on the road you bite the the road cycling thing and you get it into criteriums and maybe if you have the opportunity some stage races but you didn't go in that direction. You went in the direction of off road. Why did you do that? Or what attracted you to the offroad when you first saw the people on road well I when I moved to the Somerset seven springs area. There was tons of trails awesome and for whatever reason all my friends at the time road mountain bikes. Actually I think I remember my mom cried. It was a night rod and it was late that night after a night of celebrating and it was a short ride and it scared the Bejesus out of me but it hooked me on on night riding. And that's how mountain biking in general. I think seeing my friends do it and no one was really into a ton of road writing back then I was like in the mid nineties. there were road rides happened. Races were happened but there were way more mountain bike races happening. And then you started winning about West Virginia. And what's your mom like series and when I started participating in those races back in the early two thousands and then it's like okay. There's this whole world here of mountain bike races and trails and this is fun so that's where the addiction to mountain biking came in. And I know I've talked to a few people who exercise outdoors and end up in the mountains around the trails and there really is. There's something about not having to worry about cars and people buzzing you as you mentioned The misty mornings sometimes. You're focusing on the training. Sometimes you're just focusing and going while look what I just saw right exactly. I don't know it's just a nature boy so yeah anytime in the woods and through the trees and when you're pedaling that ribbon of single track and you're flowing with it and with today's bikes it's way more fun because as you remember twenty years ago bikes are way different V brakes and none of this disc brakes and hydraulic stuff. Going on Sir only world and I used I used to say I don't need disc brakes I don't need hydraulic brakes. I don't need front suspension. I still have a hard tail. Hydraulic brakes in front suspension or now a requirement for yeah absolutely I don't need a heartache. I've never ridden a full suspension and I've just like the simplicity of in maintenance wise. That's why I only have a few bikes. Because I don't have time to spend all the time in which all my friends know so along with me. You can add to toll the lane during our interview with her that I blame her for spending a lot of money on bikes because she and her ex husband started Derek. I'm curious though you drop down the rabbit hole of doing mountain bike races. Doing twenty four hour races just being in the mountains. What was it that made you kind of turn the corner and say okay? I'm going to to start coaching too. Because that's a big step upwards or big change for just saying I'm going to get on my bike and ride a lot. Well it all started when I put a heart rate monitor on in the early not thousands and I became fascinated with heart rates and then over the next six seven years. I started learning that there were a lot of people author. It didn't know how to interpret heart rates how to use them and they weren't using the right of nation so that drove me into wanting to learn more more on the strength side of things and I think it was like two thousand six. I got certified as a personal trainer. Author the and at the same time I'm met a friend and he was like you need to get your because that is gonNa teach you science and so then the next few years I pursued that and it wasn't until until after that I then said okay. Now what am I going to do with this because you know I can maybe go into football or I can. Maybe go into Hockey I love hockey in but I was like. I'm so in the cycling. I should stick with cycling and then when I started seeing the psychos like wow I'm a strength and conditioning coach Anna can be a cycling coach. And then that's when all the heart rate in the power info and as we talked earlier iphones and technology analogy and then it just blew up and then all of a sudden now have all this data studying came fascinating and that's pretty much my story. I'm curious if you can think back then when when you were saying I want to get more knowledge. Why did you decide on the T. as your CPT? Because I know there's there's probably one hundred certifications out there there are some that are a little more difficult difficult an sea ACM NASM in ace. Probably those are the probably the four big ones but was it. You said you know I want. I want to do this particular one you know. That's a good question. The and I did my research because I was going back and forth between the NFC and the ACM and then you know just through self study study and research I learned that the Esiason was more of a clinical side of things and entertain more sports oriented and so I knew I wanted to go sports oriented. So that's where I started. So yeah that's basically how and plus with the journals and the strength conditioning drills and all the research goes along with the NFC that really attracted me to the Anisette. I think that there are a lot of people who forget that one of the benefits of some of these organizations. ACS is a member you get these journals. Where even if if you aren't a researcher you can just kind of drop down the rabbit hole and rather than have somebody tell you? This is what the research says. You can read the research and say oh well. They talk about well-trained cyclists. But these cyclists only averaged fifty miles a week. That's not really a well-trained cyclist. I love. That you just said that because out of all the research articles that I've done I've written a lot. I write off trey peaks and I try as many of the science articles that I write. I tried to dive into the research and when diving into the research you need to to be able to say this is good research. What's all good research? But this is quality or these. This is exactly what I'm looking for. Because they're using mm-hmm twenty tour to France riders and they're also using twenty mama pop writers and they're taking the results between both or using study of five hundred thousand the people and that's a lot of data shirt. If you see some of the studies of red you know like you said Ten well trained cyclists and they don't explain how well trained or how long they'd be riding so many variables in this stuff that you kinda look at studies like that and say all right. Let's go to the next study and let's see what the next thing he says. Yes breath and I know a colleague of mine. Dr J. Dazs and I are going to start doing some for moving to live some audio abstracts of research talking about what's well all designed in the study. What isn't because not necessarily saying if something is published it probably has some piece of information you can take away from it but I think you hit a great point if they use? Ten well-trained cyclists whatever the definition of well trained is. You might look at that a little bit differently as opposed to if they say we had two hundred fifty well trained cyclist who averaged one hundred fifty miles a week for the eight months prior to the data collection so it's always be be critical gold. Don't read it passively. I sure you'll agree with me from the educational opportunity is there's reading pleasure like picking up the local newspaper. I guess now Pittsburgh Reading Online look local newspaper and then there's the reading critically the professional which sometimes makes your head hurt and you you read two pages and you come back and you read those the same two pages again and maybe the third or fourth time. It's like oh I see what's going on here. That makes a Lotta sense and I think that in this field you need to accept criticism and then you need to provide it because it's the only way in science you'll press on is if anyone everyone's been critical of your work and and you as well on that's how you'll learn to question things and even with my clients. I always welcome now like always questioning what we're doing because then I get to explain it if you have an ego you're going to be limited and how well you do if you're the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room. That's a good way to put it so so we're talking with Mike Schultz. It's hard training. You basically geek out on heart rate. You realize that you like racing you like being in the mountains you pursue certifications so that you can first of all gain a little more knowledge for yourself than say wait a second. I think I can help other people so I know that some people they think it's really easy. You just start working at a health of clever facility. You get a weekend certification and Bingo. You're a personal trainer. Your your coach. You're making your living at this. You've been doing it full time for eleven years. If you can think back to them. How do you find your first athlete? I mean you. You've got an admittedly in the endurance. World there's not a whole lot of endurance coaches who to work with age group athletes. There are some. There's very few making their living full-time so you're starting out you've got this you've got the cpt and going you know. I'm going to start getting adding some clients and maybe make it a little money to help pay some race entry fees. How do you go about getting? That's a great question and I remember back then. Dan saying all right. I'm living in the lower highlands. I'm going to start this business called hyland training. I like it. I got the website whole bit and he clients lines and I think I always come from your friends. Because they're right there and they need help and they're curious about what you're GONNA do. I always say. Take him on charger. Jim or not. And then you can learn a little tidbits. But the real breakthrough for me happened. I started their reforms on training peaks and I was like look how he's coaches anti-noise questions. Anyone can answer these questions. So I'm like iodine answer answer questions next Sina House answering like ten twenty questions a day out answer every single day everytime cushion and I always try to be as professional. That could be an the answer to the best of my knowledge with the science backing it up and people started liking my answers while there is this coach of Utah that saw me on this foreman German. For some reason she wrote an article Linda Wallin False creek and I emailed her and said Linda. I really appreciate you know. You're I like like what you re wrote and she wrote back and said You know Mike. Do you WanNa take some referrals and I was like yes and from there. You're she mentored me on starting a business and we've had partnership for eleven years. I've been out there. She helped me on one of my first bike packs six and in Arizona. Great people really well knowledge and well-connected referrals of the year. And then starting to Reiten Ayton getting your name out there and things started the bill so I would say that you need to just put your nose to the grind. Do whatever it takes to get noticed. That's the key. See I know one of the first people I interviewed for moving to live as a friend of mine. Rick Howard who does a lot of stuff with long-term athletic development for children and he had a common in the middle of the interview. I don't know if he was aware that he was making it. But this is something that I've seen with a lot of people that I've interviewed the willingness to share knowledge into. Put yourself out there there. It's very easy as a coach or as a trainer as professionals. I don't have time or somebody's GonNa Steal my knowledge. Why do you not have that attitude? You'd of well. I can't help people. I can't make these comments because then somebody's just gonNa take this information and steal from me because it's a black hole of information literally and I never knew there would be this much information ten years later but I'm still learning still learning tidbits of information and you know when it comes to the program so I write programs a week at a time for everyone. They're really dob. I'm in touch with everyone every week. Another life I know where they're going. We dowding's around and that's really the true way that that really really does work So yeah sure someone can steal my program or take my workouts but then how the pieces together. Well that's the complicated part because there's so many variables and you've been doing this for part time or full time for almost twenty years. I'm curious you find your jobs easier now with all the technology and the ease of connecting acting with the Internet. Or do you find. It's harder because there's so much information it is harder. There is a lot of information and clients and now I I work with the majority of my concerts. groupers bow worked with a handful of Super League and everyone across the board will see a tidbit of information. And then send it to you and say what do you think about this or am I doing this wrong. Or am I doing that round. And it's your job to either support or say you know this is my view on it dots. What's that is hard these days because there's so much information that has a new coach? You'll be challenged. I'm interested with a comment. You just just made you said as groupers and lead or super early and one of the things as you know in the endurance rural. They're very easy to be quote unquote sponsored. It in that somebody gives you some energy drink or they give you a t shirt or a pair of bike shorts or para shoes when you talk about a lead for people who are listening. Who maybe you're not in the endurance world? What do you mean by an age group or versus elite? Well okay so h grouper is his me. That's where I'm at right now and I compete within others. That are in in close to my age in that. Our DADS and have jobs. That's the difference between age group Age Group doesn't have the time that a young elite athlete. He doesn't have the responsibilities and can spend more time with bike or her bike. You know whereas the elite who work with elite Nick Beecham out of California he's He just scored. I think fifty place in West Virginia who six minutes back Nina shirt or WHO's the best Ghana World Dot C Lee. These guys. They don't really to make a living off of it but they're sponsor with bikes and Some travel and stuff like that and Yeah I mean guys like that. He's close to maybe making the US Olympic team so like dot not wheat. Regardless between whether you're relieved or your age group everyone works really hard at it to be good. If you just want to fly lie Biden you know. I knew a triathlon coach when I lived in Atlanta Jay Marshall j comment about some of these elite people. Well he did not mean this in a negative way but they are genetic freaks they just physically physiologically are able to adapt to the training. And I still remember an an athlete that he was dealing with. Went from category are working with went from category five in like two months to a category one cyclist for it. And if you have if it comes down to strength weight and as you know And Genetics and we talked earlier about Fast responders and slow responders and training and defying. That ah yeah some people just have to work really hard to be good. I think I was one of them. And I think that's what led me to being in my position. Now's either work so hard Edward so much to be decent and but yeah I see people come through quite often and in three to six months they do well. Yeah I've I've seen a lot across the board about five hundred people I think since two thousand ten something like that and I think one of the things about endurance sports and and being active is you can cycle in and out of being competitive age groups so you may like your kids are in school. Maybe you've got a a little bit of flexibility in your job for the next couple of years you can say okay. I'd like to do a little more to see whatever your goal is. Maybe your goal is to see if you can win your age group at a race Jason Seven Springs or maybe your goals are to compete a bite packing trip or to do the leadville one hundred mountain bike race for you as a coach. And I think I've talked about this with Menachem Brodie whose another cycling coach. It's a relationship is not just somebody says. Hey Mike here's some money training program and you send them an excel spreadsheet that has no personality no communication as a coach. I think what's interesting because we talked a little bit of tears the art. There's the communication how do you a Handle it both when you decide that this relationship is not working with a client and or when a client comes to you and says Hey Mike for whatever reason either. You're not giving me the results I want or my life getting really crazy. It's not really a firing you but it's like I'm not gonNA use you as a coach. How do you? How do you approach that and did? was this a learning process. Yes it is because early on when you're working with few people and then people would drop for whatever life reason it would be really hard and because the knots your income and even now it's still hard because you invest all of your time and the people and you're investing your everything you have emotionally even in so when you you bring someone onto your roster. Sure thinking about them all the time it's part of it So when they drop new new coach always things but at the same time. I'm I'm like cool. Then you get to experience that other person and you can compare that to what we did and that will help you learn and if I did a really good job than that will come Amani End. And that's how I look at it. I've never really had a client. I've I've worked with some really tough cookies. Taipei individuals that want every answer all time I and I respond to it and I just work really hard and usually if they don't get what they want they you know you never. I was taught early on that. You're never going to please one hundred percent people out there like it's impossible and I know we were talking before recording. You're telling me about a client who had left you to went with somebody else and went to another person now after two or three coaches there back with view. So we're always make sense not to burn bridge. Absolutely I invite everyone back at anytime. Actually a lady from Arizona's came back to me from six six years ago. She wants to get back into it is in a different position and she's really fast and competitive and then treat her like a brand new client at this time and we were all from here I know especially in the endurance world. It's very easy to look at the number of people who are competing in marathons or competing and gravel grinders or things like that and let's say boy. This is a a really good thing I can get into if I can get X.. Number of athletes you know and I can charge them wide dollars boy. I can make a lot of money at it. How do you decide what's the right number? And I know there's a range of enough athletes both to pay your bills but also to give view the opportunity to give him that individual attention rather than sending them that excel spreadsheet that you send to six other people which again is we've talked what you're doing. No and I've brought on the people who have worked with Coaches who have eighty hundred athletes. And what happens. Is that a lot of people. Get the same program because it's impossible to work with that many people and in a program like for me. I work one week at a time wherever one touch the weakest time with everyone and whatever they have you know we work via training peaks. I think training peaks is one of the best platforms in the world at what they do as far as providing schedules and so forth. But I try to dial in weekly because then that way training training is realistic and so even going back. A lot of times coaches would post four weeks at a time but I I noticed that life is way too complicated for for four weeks ago perfectly and so he know there's kids there's pets there's animals there's jobs or stressed there's all this stuff and it always goes wrong so you have to just continually adjust on top of that fatigue. Happens and then you you got to recognize that so so yeah one of my goals was to always provide a really precise vice program for everyone and if somebody's a young coach listening to this or somebody who's looking for a coach. How did you for yourself determine? What's the sweet spot for number of ethics too? A few too many too many. I think getting close to thirty people as a lot because then you start to lose touch with some people and you know now when you get down to twenty kind of find some extra time today so I think anywhere between twenty and thirty is a great sweet spot. twenty-five clients degrees speeds buffer coach. And I know part of the purpose of the podcast is to educate and I know people who are listening to this as you mentioned Off Road Gravel rides are becoming popular trail trail. Runs are becoming very popular so people may not be familiar with those. They may be looking for coaches just to give people what you do. Somebody's approaches as you say you're you're down in the low twenty nine. Yeah I could probably pick up a couple of athlete. Somebody contacts you or somebody recommends you. What's the commitment from an athlete? Do they have have to sign up for a specific period of time. Or how does that work. I never do contracts and from my mentor. She taught me. This is that I think's a you have to charge for what you do because if you do your work really hard for it So charged what's fair and fair in the market and be She's in duty contracts because that means that her clients pay her bills every single month one month at a time and if she loses people than she better do a better job and so she goes. I don't do contracts because then I work harder for people and she was right about both of those things and Yeah so one month time And I've been working with the people for eleven years straight. I've a lot of clients have been with me for six or seven years and eventually they amazing they're still making gains but yeah eventually the job. It's a you work hard for people you'll get the result on the business side that you want and for people who are listening to this you know. Maybe they don't have a racing goal. Is there a use for somebody who just enjoys being out in the mountains. Whether it's trail running mountain biking riding gravel by to have a coach. Yeah I mean I was a a number of people I work with the just like to ride and they may do one racer. Event a year. they just like to feel fast and they like numbers. So if you like numbers you like to fill fast. Then I'll fill your brain every single week with numbers on power in heart rates and all that and they enjoy and what I find is that it's motivating for them because they have this person on the other side kind of lake seeing watching expecting what they're going to do and when you take that away then you're on your own. You can do whatever you want. So that's the difference. They often say a fool has themselves for coach. Some people can self coach coach really well. it is across the board hard in for me you know. Obviously I have to kind of self coach in a way not as competitive as I was but stratas were changes from all. My clients are on Straw of. I'm not writing. I feel guilty. So it's a it's a two week street. I'm curious also very common. That husband wife boyfriend girlfriend. Get into this assay. You know we want to train for filling your favorite gravel grinder or hundred mile race or metric century race. And they come to you and say hey we want to hire you as a coach. How do you balance that where they say they want to ride together and they may be vastly different either skills or physiological fitness? They actually would not have the same program but they're approaching you because they wanna do it together. It's almost impossible to work with people like about. I will just repeat that. Please almost impossible. I'll say almost because there. There are some rare situations and I have worked with couples before. But you do run into problems with it as far as like. Oh Hey we have the same program or we don't or how we going to construct these rides. I find his best to work with one or the other and then if the other one seeks coaching have them work with another coach and then they can deal with on their end. You know. That's a better way to do it. So we're talking with Mike Schultz of highland training. I'm curious you've been in the coaching business. Double digits of years. You're here in Pittsburgh as we were talking. I don't think we're being insulting by saying Pittsburgh is not a hotbed for endurance activities. Why the decision to stay in the Pittsburgh area as opposed to saying boy? I'm going to go out to where MY MENTOR IS IN UTAH. I'm going to go to Colorado or Wyoming or someplace where you're not the weird guy right down the road in the middle of winter in tights and a beanie any kind of the norm. It's a good question and I question that a long time ago I met my wife and she works in the city and that that's what the side of it but ah I love this city. I love the topography It's just always been home for me so I didn't really WANNA move anywhere. Were and I enjoy traveling out West. I'm Joy Colorado enjoy visiting but I really enjoy coming home so I knew you know when you have that feeling. It's like I knew that if I was good at endurance I could do it anywhere. It didn't matter where it was so you know so I stayed here and I know that they're one of the opportunities or benefits of Pittsburgh is cost of living is significantly cheaper so you can afford to go to those destinations to do those things. I'm curious how you approach in athlete. Who comes to you who? Maybe it has a goal but they don't have the time to achieve that goal. You mentioned that a number of the people you work with our high-powered attorneys physicians. And we all know especially with physicians and attorneys number of patients. Billable hours. You know they may have a goal and say manual. I WanNa do this twenty four hour race or I want to do this hundred mile race and and I have this goal in mind and you know just from your knowledge that they don't have time in the day week month to train for it. How do you give them realistic expectations? Stations where maybe they can train for complete it but not competed it. Yeah that's that's important to setup realistic expectations of people. It's funny as I just brought on a lady just mentioned and she fits that exact bill. She's really busy she's a teacher. She teaches outside of teaching but she likes to ride a bike. Once at twenty twenty four single speed in February's and so she needs an hour a Monday through Friday but on the weekends you can ride so for her expectations. Expectations are sort of realistic. She can get for long rides on the weekends. And and that makes it the bill we spoke about it earlier there there is a sweet spot for are prescribing certain intensity and certain volume. And you don't necessarily need big volume all the time to do well a big races. You just need you know spots of volume here and there to prep you for that long distance so for most people their goals are actually keeble for very few people they might be setting yourself up for something unrealistic Said we're here in the North Hills of Pittsburgh I'm curious how what it's like Not so much with the elite athletes who can go to training any camps but more with the aid groups who have these goals of doing some of these events out west where they're at altitude I know I mentioned a couple of times. LEADVILLE Interviewed Sam would. WHO's a runner? Who's done that? You know you start at ten thousand feet you go up to fourteen thousand plus and I know you know significantly different than climbing and doing things around Pittsburgh. How do you approach that with them? So that they have a good experience maybe they don't go as fast as they would at sea level but they still finished and say boy. That was a fun experience while I have a a lot of people doing that. Now because Leadville is really big The breck epic is really big and You know across the board. It's all about how physiologically you handle. Altitude it's also about how many times you've raised at altitude finding every cell to quite a bit. And so now I want to go back to acclimate pretty fast. Where I didn't ten years ago and I have some really fast guys locally here that went out to Brecca pick and then they struggled one of those reasons is because it was forty forty degrees in rain on the first day but which kind of destroyed everyone I think but the altitude part attitude because this guy came kind of sick in altitude part made it even worse? But I will say this that. If you're going to go do a race it helps to and it's going to be ten thousand feet should want to be there at least a week early because I wouldn't go the day before because that's like a crap shoot so have you found that you've had some clients over the years they just deal with those people who just do not do well at altitude no matter what. Yeah I mean there's not that many recent altitude to really study that I would say and and a lot of my clients are smart enough not to pick races at that high altitude. The the only ones out there you know you have leadville you've Breckenridge Outside of those races everything is when you're in the six thousand seven thousand foot range. It's not as dramatic as it is nine or ten. So you've mentioned Mike that a number of your clients are fairly high powered individuals and I know one of the things. People often talk about when they meet attorneys. They meet doctors that they see their the attorney or see their doctors. They're very driven. They're very focused. Some people would term arrogant. You Find it interesting to deal with these individuals. Do they try to tell you what to do. Or do you find that they're approaching approaching you. Because it's kind of I recognize this as outside of my wheelhouse and Mike's the expert here one hundred percent and you know I again. I've tried to work really hard to learn as much as I could ever. The passing yourself could be that expert. I'm still learning and but when anyone comes to me I would say that in we go back to people starting in. You're going to be confident about what you're doing. And the more knowledge you have with the science and the studies and experienced more confident you'll be So now everyone just leaves it up to me and I work a lot of people who are really busy and successful and they say all the time like just put an and training beaks and I'll do it and so so I mean it's a little more complicated than that they have to gain power and speed and that's the other part of it if they're not doing it's not game making gains They won't last but but yes In this field you gotta just be ferment. What you know and put it out there and I know I think you've really hit on a couple of times the importance of continuing to learn? I know I had somebody before I went and got my doctor to say. What do you WANNA get your doctor? You should already have enough education and once I got my doctor I realized I don't know anything. And that's why have literally across the world. They variety of friends and colleagues. That if it's something that's outside of my wheelhouse like email them or skype them and say. Hey give me the down and dirty this at least can sound reasonably competent. Oh Yeah And there's two things they're referring when people to other professionals is key. I never tried to be a doctor. I don't WANNA be nutritionist. I I'm good at one thing getting people strong and so I- focus on now nutrition. It does come into it a little bit but when someone has an acre pain then they need to see a specialist so they see an athlete trainer or doctor. Your second part of that is always learning You know there's so many tidbits of information and when you start working with some of the elites when you start getting all these like even hear something go research it and see how much value that is and then that's how you keep learning all these little bits of information But what can share. We're talking with Mike. Schultz highland trading at curious started out as a biker. Did quite a few twenty four hour races and other other. Ultra endurance type. Things got into coaching. But still do the writing yourself you said strata kind of hold your feet to the fire but a lot of people they hit a certain age and they kind of say. Yeah I'm done. I don't WanNa do this anymore. What keeps you doing some sort of movement in addition to the coaching too? Good question fitness when I started though so way back in the late two thousands. I got away from cycling for a few years and gained some weight and I think it was about out to twenty five at one point and I remember a buddy looking at me and he said that I can calls ankles and I'll never forget it. He's buddy out at Colorado. He listens to this hill. Laugh anyways at that point I was like I gotTa make a change I just snapped and ever since then and what's funny is that I have a pitcher side by side in my office of me that God was overweight on the bike and then six years years later me racing a twenty four hour race this coming in second to a well-known guy named tinker and chase him down in the morning. You look at both pitchers you can see. The dramatic change. Went from two twenty five the one sixty erasing fast and that keeps me going. Yeah that's a good place to cut it for talking with Mike Schultz of highland highland training. I think he's given Some great information on what it's like to actually make your living is coach slash trainer since when you work with cyclists and runners you are training training them and coaching them. And I think he's given a great example of what keeps him moving to Mike. I want to thank you for taking time to talk to the podcast. Yes it's been a pleasure and I I will welcome it again. 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