Bob Rowe, Jamie Dyson & Joe Donnelly from the Brooks IHL Scholarly Symposium
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PINT CAST DOT com the tri-state Physical Therapy Conference October eleventh to thirteenth. What happens in Vegas well? You know how this ends advocate advocate advocate you know we we have to have one voice to move our profession forward as one group one profession one team we're one big family and we just have to work together to move it forward. Hopefully we can continue building value demonstrating the value of what this residency and fellowship training actually does because it's still questioned <hes> within the profession value of this and hopefully we can continue building on that and really make us a national event make it a home for residents to come in and show what they're able to do and how they're thinking pedigree impromptu conversation with Bob Ro and Jamie dyson while we were at the Brooks H.. L. Scholarly Symposium Brooks Institute of Higher Learning they support our shell and they haven't event every year they bring in residents and fellows from within their organization were in all aspects of the residency education in different aspects like Ortho Geriatrics Piatra in sports and pediatrics and they come together and present it so short little snippets of what these students are working on all year all together in one day along with some innovation talks from people like Alan Jetty myself on social media just giving people a nice the next day of taking information that you might not be exposed to otherwise was walking around this imposing with microphone because that's what I do and caught up with Bob who's in charge of this gigantic program at Brooks and Jimmy Dyson who's the president of the Florida Physical Therapy Association and we said well. What do we think about the day so we got into these <hes> hugely smart dudes take a listen to what we got out episode brought to you by Owens Recovery Science? They're a single source for physical therapists looking for certification can personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training. You're think about adding that and the equipment that you need to apply it properly in clinical practice but also behind most of the research coming out these guys are on the forefront so take a look at just some of the research dip your toe into it and then take a look at where Johnny Owens and his team are around the world certifying professionals in our training check them out at Owens recovery science dot Com all right. Let's do the show. The best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome two hours for this is the P._t.. PODCASTS here's your host physical therapist Jimmy Mackay here at the scholarly symposium at Brooks I._H._l.. Here with Bob Ro and Jimmy Dyson guys how we doing today. I'm doing great. This is fantastic. Jamie man about Florida very happy happy to be here. We're so proud of Brooks and all that they're doing fourth annual scholarly symposium. What are what are your feeling? We're we're three quarters of the way through the day today goal in terms of an event like this and indeed you hit it today in terms of through your eyes yes yes so the goal is always giving dissemination of information sharing ideas sharing thoughts bringing people together creating community giving residents and opportunity to have their chance to show what they've done and what they're what level they're thinking at because really it's more about. We always think about clinical reasoning. You know not just what you did but what you're thinking and I think they've done a great job of that so I think we have a lot of our goals. A little Birdie told me that <hes> you had a part in designing the Brooks. Fox Logo is that right yeah well I did. I did design the logo I started from the very beginning and it's to stand for we. We got a little taste from from rain but I want. I want to hear your thought process. It's <hes> it starts off with. The outer is a shield. It's traditional academics Mexico. We Want Brooks I._H._l.. Institute of Higher Learning to be the academic division of Brooks Rehab and then the three circles inside stand for each circle has a represents the different components one is clinical service one is <unk> <hes> education and research and whether you know in the center of course with that comes together with had been diagram comes together is excellence in care excellence impatient management and that's what we're striving to do in the I._H._l.. Would we want to bring all of those pieces together. We Want Anna Merge clinical practice we WANNA merge merge clinical practice with education and research and and make them seamless the synergistic they not silos the not independent entities. They're all collaboratively working together. Great Novon Diagram my favorite type of diagram just in case you guys know I thought that was really well. Put your talking about dissemination of information. We just had a chance to talk with Alin. Jedi who literally was talking about just that in his keynote address glad that that is something that <hes> that the profession is working on we can tell from your logo down at Brooks is thinking that important you putting this event on speaks highly of it so <hes> impressions after Allen's Keno on the two is ignorance in an ineptitude. Yeah I mean spot on. I mean if you don't have the information then then you're you're not gonna go anywhere and it doesn't matter if you have the information that you're not gonna use it so the whole concept of that that ineptitude pieces. I think really important when I I I have to tell you when I first heard the title I thought wow that's a little edgy but having him roll it out out was so phenomenal and he did a great job of laying out there and and justifying it and really meant a lot of sense and thankful that he was able to do that here he does it. I thought it was really clear message right ignorance. You don't have the information ineptitude. You're not doing anything with it. I like this room because as we're speaking it's a poster session right. We just broke out into poster session amongst presentations. This is example of eliminating adept at to a living example. That's right that's right and it's and it's great to see people that every poster Sir there's active conversation going on right now so so that's fantastic and and really makes my Hartfield warm and fuzzy we talked about advocacy and we turn to <hes> to Jamie dyson that came up several times. How do we how do we get how do we get this this thing thing that we do in terms of physical therapy to <hes> better be better promoted within our profession but of course the magic is outside of our profession when you hear advocacy? That's gotTa make you get excited. Yes and we do need to get more outward facing with what what it is that we do in fact in Florida right now we're working on our practice act in updating it so that we can some do some more things and you know basically modernize it where doctoring profession now it was written when we were at a bachelor's level so how long ago was written how long how old working with thirty years wow thirty years so walk me through the middle of that process right now walk me through like where does one start changing practice is well. You know if you think back to Saturday morning cartoons. I'm just a bill it. It's not like that that all right if it was that simple I think we'd we'd gotten a long way. You know it's unfortunately it's legislation not education that drives practice <hes> a good friend of mine. Mark Bishop taught me that and I use that line all the time I gotta give him credit for that but in order to to to work to the full extent of our education we have to drive this legislation and it can't be just a few of US doing it has to be all of us with one voice moving forward. You know we talked to you know the panel discussion today was talking about the the the money aspect or the economic aspect of Medicare Medicaid and at the federal level. Unfortunately those were the deepest pockets of the one that are the ones that get the ear of the legislators so we need you know we don't have deep pockets. We need louder voices. GET LOUDER VOICES. We need more people involved and engaged I like to the question was asked hey what if we just bought a super bowl commercial right and that comes up and then that gets me Kinda riled up because in my head I like to draw a parallel between communications and physical therapy. Your goal is to increase awareness but don't tell me what intervention to use to achieve the goal. That's my job as a therapist or a communicator and I my response to shouldn't we just by Super Bowl commercials was I'd rather turn this entire room into an army of communicators we'd have way. Way Way further reach we did that. I usually go to the bathroom during the commercials the Super Bowl so you know personally I would. I would miss that it needs to be a constant message. One Super Bowl commercial is not going to do it for us. It needs to be in in your face all the time every day. We can have a huge impact on health care the way it's delivered. You know it's an inefficient system. People are seeing the wrong practitioners not at the right time and by giving folks at education giving him that power to choose the right professional at the right time will make the system more efficient in the long run less expensive. You're gonNA tell your kid to clean their room. You wouldn't say at one time like a super bowl commercial. You would say multiple times and in different ways this summit up an event like this today. What would you want to know what would want people to know about the the fifth annual scholarly symposium which I'm hoping it's coming up next year it will it will tentatively scheduled for the twenty seventh of June and Saturday Saturday twenty seven June? We're going to expand it and we'll have more <hes> residents from other programs outside of Brooks coming to this will probably break out into have more breakouts with <hes> specialty areas so that'll be a new component to this and we may add a second KENO next year part of our show that we do here. Tradition is the parting shot. This is the parting shot the parting shot is brought to you by rock tape more than just a tape company. Rock tape is a movement company company tools and education for medical professionals. If you're looking to help your patients go stronger longer checkout rock tape dot com. Both of you guys have had parting shots before in a room like this today. What's your parting shot walking out of here advocate advocate advocate advocate? You know we have to have one voice. You know. I'm an acute care guy. I've been pushing for dry needling. I use wet needles. You know I work in the I._C._U.. So you know we have to have one voice to move our profession forward as one group one profession question one team and is one big family. We're one big family and we just have to work together to move it forward better together not just a cliche which Sharon says are. What do you got partying shop? Hopefully we can continue building community. We can continue building value of <hes> what our value proposition is within we can continue demonstrating the value of what this residency and fellowship training actually does because it's still question <hes> within the profession what's the value of this and so hopefully we can continue building on that and moving this forward and really make this a national event for programs all over the country make it a home for residents to come in and show what they're able to do and how they're thinking are gentlemen appreciate taking some time out during this busy event here Brooks Rehabilitation Institute of Higher Learning and the fourth fourth annual scholarly symposium looking forward to next year and number five online facebook twitter and Instagram at P._T.. PODCAST love working with these guys when talking about our longtime supporters of the show Arias Medical Group they find jobs Absu that's it. That's what they do and that awesome. 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That's Brooks Rehabilitation Institute of Higher Learning earning offering residencies fellowship education orthopedics women's Health Geriatrics neurologic P._T.. Pediatrics sports that's an overview of their residencies checkout what they have to offer at Brooks H.. L. Dot Org world-class world class educational opportunities to local and regional community check him out Brooks I._H._l.. Dot Org that's P podcast last of the episodes that we recorded live at the Brooks H. L. Scholarly Symposium not. Only the residents presenting their research in their work together on stage in front of the entire room <hes> we also had some innovation talks given by people like Alan Jetty who we heard from on this show and the other one was Joe Donnelly Joe a professor and Director Post Professional Education at Mercer University's Department of P._T.. An advocate for his patients in the profession for more than thirty five years. If you haven't met Joe you need to at a conference big personality. Let's say you'll know Joe's around. We got into talk about changing. Clinical behaviors and actions wins P._T.. Advocacy is something that really important to him and challenges of residency and Fellowship Education and maybe how you can alleviate some of those challenges if you're looking to get into it so take a listen to what we got into with Joe on this episode brought to you by Owens Recovery Science WanNa thank Johnny. He owns a team for being a longtime supporter of the program. They're the leaders in personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training. If you're thinking about adding that to your toolbox first before you jump in take a look at their website they feature a lot of the research information well before before you ever jump into a class all right so checkout owens recovery science dot com and if it sounds like something that'll help your patient population. If you want to add it to your clinical practice that's when you go right back to that website and check out where they're instructing it around the world four Major Ager Sports N._C.. Double A. along with literally around the globe as well as the equipment. You need to apply it properly with the evidence. Check him out again at Owens Recovery Science Dot Com. They're leaders in our certification back to the typecast with Jimmy McKay here with Joe Donnelly at Brooks H.. L. The scholarly symposium you had yourself <hes> An invasion talk and on your very first light you something from my childhood right I mean knowing is half the battle. That was the battlecry from G._I.. Joe Oh and I'm dating myself because in case you don't know you haven't seen G._I.. Joe First of all shame on you second of all at the end of every episode. They're really trying to do a P._S._A.. Don't play with matches don't get into car with strangers and their battlecry was an knowing is half half the battle and your innovation talkshow really kind of involved that but you turned it on its head talk talk a little bit about you know what that phrase meant to you while you altered it a little bit so we talked about the G._I.. Joe Fallacy. I really did an alternate. It's out there by some different behavioral psychologists and so we just turned it around to it's really not half the battle and that's the G._i.. Joe Fallacy and it's an we're getting getting so many pieces of information thrown at us at all time and we can't possibly process at all so knowing is not the half the battle you said there's about receiving about eleven million pieces of information a day at the same time what is at the same time and we're and we're trying to process all this information social media emails text messages twitter facebook and general general life and we're only able to process about forty forty pieces of that information at a time and you've got to separate so knowing is half the because you've got access to literally millions of pieces of information. But how many can you actually process talk talk a little bit more about your innovation talk. What was what was the goal? Would you want the audience to walk away. Feeling the main thing was that there was <hes> behaviors that we have to change if we're going to make an impact in patient care advocacy and the healthcare system and just presenting a difference the framework that they're using in business economy in psychology about automatic behavioral changes and just giving people a roadmap to tap into the context that we might be able to change to tap into our automatic thinking and things that are driven by intuition and feelings feeling that we have this conviction that we know what we're doing can stop and say. Did we really talk about your role. What do you get to do in case? Someone doesn't know you <hes> Mercer Right now. But what do you get to do you know at at Your Day job and then also outside of those confines. What do you get to Kim so my day job is <hes> actually organizing and coordinating the cardiovascular pulmonary neurologic and orthopaedic residencies in our fellowship in Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy and teaching the clinical reasoning paint sciences thread throughout the D._t.? Program challenging urging people how to think do things differently yeah. That's always a that's a common thing that makes students nervous. I mean myself. I'm talking from experience. Maybe nervous but that's the one thing that pushes you to really be better. Once you leave <hes> an educational institution so I would agree and. I do think that if you give students a roadmap and something they can fall back on and look at the boxes is there information in these boxes and if there isn't I need to seek it so I can make a better decision so I think the clinical reasoning model especially one by Jones and Christians is in give students a roadmap to how they should be thinking of making clinical judgments framework something to hold onto when you're kicked out of the nest and if you're standing on your on your own two feet <hes> something to as you said put in those boxes and if there's something missing you need. Do you need more information and that's your job. That's correct talk about the difficulties in in in programs like that running them and being in them after after D._B._T.. Education yes so as most people would know the accreditation process for residency mm-hmm fellowships is quite burdensome and has become more burdensome through the years so the challenges sustaining them so with increasing burdens burdensome requirements trying to get additional clinics to take the residents trying to stay within the in the goalpost iffy will accreditation is really a becoming more and more challenging for sustainability not only growth but sustainability how often is is re accreditation for program might that what's the timeframe so you do <hes> your initial accreditation and then it's five years is and then if you are doing great work and moving forward you can get up to a ten year re accreditation so our Ortho and our neuro programs are both achieved their tenure accreditation process and we have cardiovascular pulmonary fellowship coming up at the end of two thousand nineteen and beginning of twenty. I guess it's never it's never <hes> the job is never done because you're always working towards improvements. So it's continuous quality improvement like everything else trying to decrease the barriers of access trying to decrease the costs costs and as we create more rules we create more cost so be mindful that <hes> we WANNA make sure that we're looking at the student debt load from entry level program. We have to look at it the same way for residency program we had a <hes> the scholarly smackdown smackdown we didn't get audio of that but you on stage <hes> with Bob and Michael and Alan Jetty <hes> you brought up advocacy the question. Was You know why don't we <hes> when we buy just a super bowl commercial. We'll tell everybody will do all at once and <hes> you really turned it around. I thought aw great way which was we need individuals in this room to be advocates and that's the way we'll move the needle. Why is it so important to you? I why are you so passionate about advocacy. Well my mentors from early days said if you WanNa make a difference you got to advocate and so I think advocacy advocacy comes from the heart and your passion and so- advocating for our patients should be the number one priority and that means putting ourselves in the political arena to advocate for our patients and not for politics and making sure we are. We're getting the best changes we need for healthcare delivery access to our services protecting our services or championing ourselves to be at the table and I heard it at a meeting if you're if you're not at the table you're on the menu. <hes> my first I federal advocacy forum was two years ago before I want. I really you know considered myself. Oh this is in my arena but I'll go and check it out and <hes> and then I realized that advocacy and the politics part of it and I'm using air quotes there is really having conversations with people whose whose job is to either put rules into place or change rules. It's a conversation we should stop saying politics. Go Converse have have the conversation. Let people know what you do where you do it how you do it and who you provide those services for and and you'd be surprised the average legislator has no idea what you do and where you do it and for whom you're providing a service reverse it I have. I really don't have any idea I didn't anyway before Federal Advocacy Forum two years ago. I didn't have any idea what that person's job was my representative additive or the people that work with them so that's really foolish media just assume they know exactly what I do and can do for individuals their constituents and it's important to be <hes>. It's it's people get frustrated because it's it's relationship building. It's it's not showing up to this. Political Event is showing up to all political events and Georgia. We've done a great job. We've had four to five hundred members show up every year for Advocacy Day since two thousand fourteen we are now recognized that the capital we have been invited to sit at seats at a table that we've never been considered before an example of that is the Attorney General's opioid task force seat on the table. They've had five meetings already but we're at the table now. Why why did you how'd you move the needle? Is it just four hundred people showing. Coming up or was it the fact that you guys kept showing up. I think it's keeping showing up and even <hes> two thousand fifteen. We passed landmark legislation for direct access redefine our practice act in two thousand sixteen. We made it a point that four hundred P._T.'s I._T.'s P._T._A.'s students had to show up again. We didn't have an agenda nothing on the agenda but our presence was felt and that's important cool was that hey what are you guys here to advocate for today. We're just here to show our support and our presence gene. Do you need something. No just just here show support that I bet you know left an impression on on legislators yeah for most people and now they look for us on those days so it's it's been a great thing started like I said and fourteen and here we are in two thousand nineteen same showing and we'll have it again in twenty twenty. What do you take away from Burma from today and all the presentations? We were just walked out of the poster section here at Brookside show. Would you take away from all the different messages with any themes that jumped out at you. It's it's yeah. It seemed like a a lot of <hes> it's always amazing when you come to these things and none of us talked about our talks are innovative talks to keynote speaker so to keynote speaker and jetties starts off with his great talk about translating evidence into practice and the dissemination and what we do and then I get up and talk about the Messenger and how we're going to be the Messenger. What are the norms in the clinic? How are we going to change behaviors then you rise up and say hey you know is is social media hazardous and then the next so and then the next person comes up and it's about behavior in the clinic so so it was quite amazing? That's all the innovative talks without out. Even communicating are at the same place about behavior and how we're going to change behaviors and our patients behaviors. I think because I've seen this happen before and again. It's not on purpose when themes like that arise. It's when I think the speakers are paying attention to what they're hearing outside of these presentations when you hear these things and of course my talk was based off the Oxford debate from last week at <hes> at next but the reason that that was a topic because that's been talked about for the last year and I think all these things come to a head heads when you're asked to give an innovation talkie say okay. Let me sit here and think about all the things I've been hearing people talk about now. Let me give my two cents but it is funny when you hear those things pop up and completely by accident and I think it's really great when you when you did your innovation talk. You're not talking about not doing it. You're talking about the hazards of doing it. And how do we change our behavior so we're not sucked into the world of hazardous wasted communication or non communication which I think resonated with a a lot of young people in the road race to the bottom. Don't don't try to try to gain that social currency just for the sake of being a social media Kardashian and just having followers and likes and shares last thing we do on the show. Is your parting shots. This is the parting shots the parting shot is brought to you by rock tape more than just a tape company. Rock tape is a movement company tools and education for medical professionals. If you're looking to help your patients go stronger longer anger checkout rock tape dot com so is your chance to drop a mic DRP sentiment. What's one thing you'd want the audience to <hes> to walk away with the audience can be the people who've been hanging out with all day today the other residents and fellows here Brooks and of course listening audience <hes> driving in their cars to clinic or in between class so I think the take home especially from this conference and in being here is when you go back Monday morning? Are you doing things because there are the norms and what you default to or is it. The things that patients is need and deserve so. Are you going to meet their expected outcome or you're going to get their desired outcome. <hes> Joe Donnelly Buddy Jo appreciate your time <hes> talking with us here at <hes> Brooks. I don't think this can be last one. We'll get you back on it here soon. Thanksgiving appreciate it the P._T.. PODCAST is a product of P._T.. 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