The Future Of Medical Biohacking: Skull Resets, Suppositories, Nasal Sprays, Nebulizers, Sound Therapy & More With Dr. John Lieurance.
On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast, and then you also think about all of the energy that the brain would be expending trying to compensate for these deficiencies as well so just cleaning this stuff up, you know I guess it's different for everybody you know depending on the tone of their muscles down there and whatnot. If you have decent tone, you know, it just pulls up a couple of inches, and you don't even know. It's their properties that they think that there was some sort of a fountain of Youth. They realize we've already lost like half our listeners. Keep going. Performance nutrition longevity. Ancestral living, biohacking and much more. My Name! Is Ben Greenfield? Welcome to the show. Are you guys you've heard about? How and Sticken Melatonin? Glutathione suppositories up my button spraying plant medicines from the Amazon up my nose and breeding glutathione silver through my mouth, and the guy who is the wizard behind all of this stuff flew out to my house. 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I do a good job at that I? Know I. Did I think I did? Press rewind and played again if I didn't so anyways, meet your new medicine cabinet with bee keepers naturals. So I'm out in the forest right now I'm not literally in the forest. I'm in a tiny, tiny, little house. Little cottage, the forest out in my forest out on my land here in Spokane, Washington and I had a guests arrive at my doorstep a couple of days ago, and he he arrived is like the Santa Clause of natural medicine. He had like this stuff. He called holy water with him and os needed toothpaste. Cacao and coffee infused CBD in all manner of these these crazy medical hacks. He's been blowing my mind for the past couple of days. Actually been blow my mind for the past couple of months. Because I've known this cat for a few months now he's he's ships, these these wonderful and weird formulations to my house. Everybody that I've connected him with has equally had their minds blown, not the over use that phrase with his level of knowledge and the very unique approach she has to. Deliver nutrients to your body to working with a wide variety of conditions and he's. He's just steeped in this stuff. He absolutely loves it and I'm incredibly honored and pleased to have met him because now i. can introduce him to you and he's about to blow. Your mind was with some pretty cool. Stuff is John. Lawrence and John is a naturopathic physician. He's also chiropractic neurologist. He's been in private practice in Florida for over the past couple of decades, he's the chief scientific advisor of a couple of companies glued GENYK. And a real real wizard unglued if I hear a lot more about that, because that's part of what that company is about and also advanced Bio Corp, where he also creates some some very unique formulas and has a very cool approach. His clinic is called advanced rejuvenation troops, chronic disease regenerative medicine. He does functional in the reality which will get into functional medicine, stem cell research, and some of the things that he specializes in include. Parkinson's Alzheimer's Automated Disease Chronic Lyme servers mold illness, he himself has his own pretty interesting story about doing with chronic lyme and mold himself that. He'll get into but ultimately I think you guys are really GonNa love to meet Dr. John Laura and everything that we talk about you can find at Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Dr John Like Dr J., O. H., N. Ben, Greenfield fitness dot, com slash, Dr John and by the way right now I feel like my brain is going a million miles an hour. It's like clear as a bell, and I'm pretty sure whatever you gave me to snort my nose. Part of this podcast must have just been like. Liquid LSD because I feel absolutely amazing right now. That's that's great to hear. Yeah I feeling the same way? Because, you took some too yeah I did and. So you guys are going to learn about all old nasal sprays, and actually let's speak about another orifice I though because this is actually how how I met John. Packaged arrived at my house for of suppositories, which I think, as of now have become mildly famous, because I've talked about the few times before on the podcast, these melatonin suppositories and I've taken Milton before I've done sub lingo. Melatonin, time release melatonin capsules, five milligrams, ten milligrams and. This this was like a high dose, high-dose Melatonin suppository that I that I have been using since then especially for international travel shop, one of those bad boys up your ass, and you're like dead of the World Your Circadian. Rhythm is reputed, but there's actually a lot more to Melatonin I. You want to get into, but so before we talk about putting things up your ass, and the the select number of things that one can can do that with and suppositories in general and nasal sprays and everything else I want to know about you and. Where you came from like. Basically how you got into this whole world and your unique approach, yeah, well first of all I'd like to thank you for having me here as a guest and for those that. I've been listening to your podcasts for years and very impressed I've learned a lot. And it's it's helped me in my own journey to to explore a lot of things that you might not be exposed to otherwise and to come out to your house, and just see this the the setup that you have here all the bio hacks, but just even more importantly the person you are. And the way you're raising your family and your kids, your dogs or even amazing. Your Wife, Jessica just absolutely amazing everybody. That's listening needs to know like Ben Greenfield's. Is the real deal. I gotta ask you though, and then then he can continue your story of all the little things. You've had a chance to try since you guy here. What's your favorite? Well, so let me let me run down the list of everything I've just this morning, okay? So. So. I've done hyper-baric. Drink hydrogen water before getting in there, and then I did a Juve light like twenty minutes while I was breathing some Nanno V. And then I did A. bio-energy bow charged with bio charge I've done that twice now. Okay, and just this morning just this morning. We did a workout together. I. Mean it's just yeah. We ten, forty five am. And so we'll finish this. We'll get Frisbee Golf. We got a bunch of doctors coming over to the house tonight to to geek out on on more medicine and biohacking. Yeah, but but in terms of your background, you actually had an illness that kind of got you exploring some of these deeper darker fringes of natural medicine. Yeah, well, I started out in life with with some challenges. You know if anyone wants to look Camp Lejeune Marine. Base and they. They have A. Camp Lejeune North Carolina Yeah Yeah. Gosh I've been there. I did a triathlon there. I did an internship at Duke University, and so I did like every triathlon I could find in North Carolina and that time the water remember competing Camp Lejeune I'm sure I must of women it well from like nineteen, sixty five to nineteen, eighty five. It was just absolutely terrible. They had thirty up to thirty five hundred times the normal safety. Contamination? Limits on just a whole list of different toxins, radioactive material, and so forth, and so my mother was. During that period of time, and then my first two years of life, and I've always been a little challenged a lot of asthma and allergies and. You know eventually I was in put in. Basically learning disability classes, and this was in Hawaii right, so she grew up in why, so we moved out to Hawaii seven. My Dad was a marine. and. And live there all the way through college, and so it was an awesome place to grow up, but it wasn't so awesome to be in special education classes there because they they loo-. They lumped everybody either your normal, or you're like in these basically retard classes. And and so it was, it was challenging in a lot of ways as my my self esteem, you know it was a very difficult time getting getting through that and then. But it gave me a lot of Dr. you've got a. we have a mutual friend in in common Dan POMPA. Dr To Dan Yorke show. Besides helping me with with detox. His products are amazing. He's just a wonderful person as well and he and I share a lot of similarities with Special Education Dyslexia, and so forth, and and you know the pain purpose is just really rings for me. Yeah, that that's his catch. Rice paid the purpose. It is yeah, and you know I think we're all given these challenges in life you know and it's like it's all about how you how you deal with it, and then you know if we grow from it and we learned from it, and then we can. Move that forward and help other people you know and there's been a lot of challenges that I've had that have allowed me to you know learn how to overcome them and then help lots of other people with those challenges as well. The lyman mold was something that developed later on. Yeah. So that was in like two, thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight I, just got really sick, and I had no idea what was wrong with me, and it was, it was a double challenge, because I was I, was already practicing I had a clinic, and that people coming in from all over, and you know supposed to be the guy that had all the answers, but I was just sick, and I was going to all these different doctors and nobody. Really knew what I got diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, because I had just severe joint pain. You know it was so bad that I remember sitting on a bench bench one time in watching somebody just walked by and it just like I didn't even know it was like to walk normally at that Taj so it was just so severe and and then I finally tested myself for lime, and I tested myself for a variety of viruses and my Epstein. Barr virus was. was just through the roof, and so I just had multiple infections, which is classic with people with line, because your immune system isn't functioning, so you just accumulate all these infections oh? Yeh, in who is something I've actually been setting up on recently because I've I've been shocked at the connection that the deeper into his rabbit hole. I go between AB sago virus, lime, mold, heavy metals and em ethics. Bolger like this whole issue. I don't know if you're electro hypersensitive. But those type of of co-infections. If that's what you want to call, them tend to be really aggravated by EMS exposures well well. You know there's some you know some ideas, the. Might make the violence a little bit more with the viruses. You know the EMF. There's different. Different things and with mole to same thing they've done. They've done some studies where they exposed mold to to emf exposure and they. They see that there's a much higher variance so. Yeah for people that are with health I. Think getting themselves out of you know Wifi and turning off your Wi fi router at night. I mean you've covered this and a lot of your pod. We've gone through that where staring at a dirty electronically filter right now the computer is plugged into and and that's. The whole thing is a topic for another day but I certainly think that you know specifically when you look at the voltage gated calcium channels on the cell and the steep influx of calcium that occurs and the impact that has on Mighty Qendra, overall cellular function. Then you pair that with an infection or heavy metal or lime or virus, and you're essentially debilitating the body's ability to be able to respond while at the same time weakening its defenses, so yeah, it's a it's an issue, but but we digress so you. You were sick with all these issues, but you also have this unique combination car, practic dock, and also a naturopathic physician. So, how did that all happen? Well originally. I graduated from chiropractic school and then started to you know. Get involved with functional neurology through the Carrick Institute and it's a very high level of. Doing specific types of adjustments and different neurological exercises in doing a lot of work with neuro plasticity. You know so a lot of patients that we treat with this technique were we're not doing as many adjustments as you would think you know it's. A lot of times people would come and watch these types of procedures and they wouldn't really recognize it as traditional chiropractic work. But when you're able to activate the brain and the very specific way. You can create some amazing changes. That can really balanced neurology and. Everything from like movement disorders to. Ottawa autoimmune. Challenges and auto dysfunction, you know. All of these things are are rooted in Neurological A. Challenges Gimme one hardcore example white music activate the brain dog like snap, and the fingers in front of the face or or Chevron something in an orifice so. Prone to do well, this is a good example, so you know there's something called your vestibular reflect so whenever you're had moved to the right you're is actually neurologically are pushed to the left. If you rotate your head, it's towards and tours, and so there's this yakking between your neck, your eyes and your. And your vestigial, your inner ear, and there's this conversation that's happening between all of these, and so what happens is that that conversation gets skewed, and so the neck muscles in the spinal muscles. Don't respond appropriately, and so we see this with people where there there is so there's the is need to be balanced, and if they're not then, there's a lot of musculature throughout the entire spine that can be thrown off. Some of these techniques we've used in some very high level football players actually. I can't name names, but there's been some Super Bowl winning quarterbacks that utilized this type of. Functionality to actually continue playing yeah. Sid crosby actually just came out and? Basically he's like one of the top hockey. Players ever came out, and he had a traumatic brain injury, and utilizing these types of treatments was able to overcome a very serious deficiency, and but what what would be an example of national treatment. Look what would be one technique you use. So. Let's say somebody has a disturbance nervous Tibula, ocular reflex what we might do, we might have them do something called gaze stabilization, so they'll holder. There is on target, and then they'll move their head and different different ways to. Allow the the muscle to to maintain that vestigial reflex, and some people can't do it so like for instance if I took my finger and I moved it back and forth in front of you. That's a smooth pursuit right, and so there's two main types of movements. There's a smooth pursuit, and there's a Cicada a CICADAS, a fast eye movement, so that fast movement should be accurate to target, and you're constantly either pursuing or CICADA targets in your environment. And witnessed gets off then your eyes are locking into target and they don't hold their, and then it slips off. That feeds back into the spinal muscles. So, you can see that there's GonNa be a lot of disturbances and you're you're you're fine motor skills when these things are off so by. Basically doing very specific exercises. Get Your eyes to move appropriately in these different movement patterns. It's hugely beneficial to the brain. Then, you also think about all of the energy that the brain would be expanding trying to compensate for these deficiencies as well so just cleaning this stuff up actually allows the brain function level something somebody who was talking to me about I forget I think. I was at a clinic and they were saying that a lot of people who get. Brain, fog fatigue, etc, kind of like mid to late afternoon sometimes earlier in many cases, they'll find that they have like some eye, tracking issues or Even like from from chiropractic standpoint like you know alignment of some of the sutures in the school and things that are actually causing a great deal of stress on the nervous system, just beginning with the is with that vestibular nerve. Yeah, so so you're almost like exhausting yourself as your is work overtime well, you know it's interesting you. You point out about the sutures in the skull. Because that's that's my my deal with functional Craner released, so it's technique that I developed. You know probably fifteen years ago and I teach other doctors, and basically it's a fusion of this functional neurology with this very specific type of cranial work. That I think we're going to be doing with your family tomorrow. Yeah, well. You told my boys at dinner last night where you wanted to have him. Do was balance with this thing called a slack though that you that you balance on like a slack, line trainer, and then you. You wanted them to come off that you were going to do the adjustment. What he called a Endo Nasal. It's an donate specific endo nasal balloon manipulation. Yeah, yeah, so I dared them I. Think they're both game for so so tomorrow. Maybe we'll instagram for people in and put it up if you guys want to see it. If I wind up shooting a video, put it in. The show notes Ben Greenville. TENNIS DOT COM. Slash. Dr. So, so you? You obviously are an expert in this functional neurology and I. Know That's part of your practice I. Know You do stem cell therapy? Do X. Oems you peptide? You do a lot of the things that I've actually talked about on the show before and I I would love to use the time that we have to get into some of the stuff that we haven't. Haven't had a chance to explore that much. In terms of some of these more unique delivery mechanisms, and some of the stuff that you specialize in so I will let let us go straight back to the positives because I know pe-. People are people are on the edge of their seats. Unintended wanted to know about these positively, so let's get to the bottom, okay? So why suppositories all right so when I was sick? I started to utilize high glutathione suppositories, and it was just a game changer for me that I realized. Wow, this is really a very powerful medicine and. What I liked about it was that the when you when when I post with a suppository, I would have peak plasma meaning that. The the substance is in your bloodstream for six to seven hours, whereas if I do an IV peak plasmas like for an hour, right at spikes in your blood, and then it's out of your system, so your cells are sitting there trying to absorb as much nutrient as they can in that short period of time. So, I, think there's an advantage of. In that time and giving the sells more of an opportunity to absorb those nutrients plus. If we're talking about. Gluten found in particular. It's one of the sleep promoting substances along with your a dean. And, so it's necessary, so you can actually. Writing and people don't talk about European allies. That's something that Glutathione is causing to be released or Cohen minutes. It's another. It's another substance. Okay, but those are the two sleep promoting substances or get you to dive deep right right away so so. It really helps with with sleep. You get in a row. Yeah well, that's why it's in San Man. I was wondering since being your high dose Melatonin suppository that you have right. Okay, so the glue found is not just in there, because it's going to help with with its antioxidant effects while you're asleep or help the body to repair, it's in there because it will actually enhance sleep biology well all the above, so you know. We really worked hard on the sand man to try to put everything that we could to. Give you true sleep. You know what about your? In no no we haven't but we've experiment with. It but Not yet and. So so back to the suppositories. You're getting a slow release. The the intra what the correct term into rectal absorption! It's rectal orifices. Erectile Exorbitant Common Delivery Mechanism for for a lot of medications. Really it is if you're not doing like Interim Association for example, but what you're saying is that this peak occurs more gradually over a longer period of time, so you get a slow or bleed of whatever it is that you're putting into your body into your system. That's one advantage, but there's more. Another advantage is that year bypassing the gastric juices and the enzymes with digestion that can actually harm a lot of these nutrients, and then there's something called I pass through the liver, and basically the liver really breaks everything down. It needs to be put back together on the other side and so. so when you do an IV obviously. There's a lot of people go and get Ivy's because it's just. So much more advantage because you're. You're bypassing all these digestive enzymes and the first pass all all the more so by the way, if you, if you have leaky, got or compromise, gut it. I think it becomes an even bigger issue. With being able to adequately absorb what you need from food, vitamins, or supplements or anything taken orally so you also have an advantage on that side, too, and so with all of that intact. It's almost like. An Ivy to go, so you can put in a suppository end, and it's like you're hooked up to an IV for the next seven hours and other needles in. Your House or like that, and it's really no big deal I mean sometimes people make a big deal at all. I'M NOT GONNA. Do suppository whatever and it's like you know. Get over it like it takes like two seconds to put it in. It's very easy. And and it's there, and usually you know basically it turns into an oil once it's once. It's inserts these suppositories when I get them from you. You kind of UNWRAP them. They're they're They're semi solid I've if you don't keep them in the refrigerator, they contend. Get almost like too soft to insert, so keep them in the refrigerator and correct me if I'm wrong on that. That's the best way to do it in the refrigerator and then I want to get back into. What kind of suppositories from Glutathione that you'd wreck or Melatonin that you'd recommend? But when you when you administer these like I'm. I haven't inversion table and can hang upside down sometimes if I'm just in bed, and I'm laying on my side, I'll just put it in there and continue my side for a little while, but what's what's the best way to actually put a suppository in for? People haven't done it before. Well, we we've put a Some science into these supposedly, so they there sometimes you have to actually put like an oil on them to get them lubricated. This this is just lubricated naturally, so You know you don't even really need to put your finger in in the rectum. Usually you know once the suppositories. It's like kind of A. Way. SHAPE. Yeah it's an anti gravity technology greasy though too so. Much. So so you you slip it in, and then do you need to do need to go upside down like? Do you need to invert just? Lay Now. Yeah or you don't yeah, I mean you could sit down for a little while or. I guess it's different for everybody you know depending on the tone of their muscles down and whatnot. If you have decent tone, it just pulls up a couple of inches, and you don't even know it's there yeah yeah. And then what one other question I was going to ask you. Because then equitably, some of these logistical issues will rise. People. Ask this because I'm your suppositories and we can talk about these kind of daytime wakefulness like stuff that you wouldn't necessarily have in during the night. To put one of those in the morning. and. Let's say I need to have a bowel movement in the afternoon. How long does it need to stay in there to everything that you need out of it? Because I've wondered before when I've you know digging a dump a few hours after doing, it's a positive, obviously the positive where it comes out. How how long should it actually stay in there? Well, it's going to continue to release for five to seven hours. So if you do have a bowel movement. You're going to lose some, but it's still worth doing I mean if you're gonNA. Do something like say like the neuro. Dial right the high dose CD. do that in the in the daytime. Usually no problem, but if you have, there's no way I could do a high dose. suppository in the daytime I get super drowsy. DVD, but you've got another. One is called loose atoll. Loose atoll, yeah, and what's in that one? Losada's a lot of polyphenols in one of the most important one is the Fezzan. So, it's really good for the brain, inflammation and and Lyric right, so you could take it. We have some fasting protocols we're. We're working on where we used that product. Really kick in that soon to clear the sincerity. I I actually wrote about physician. But how do you pronounce it facade and hesitant I pronounce it. But I've bastardize almost everything, so read so much the the the anti-ageing properties of it are are pretty compelling credible. Charissa ten is one that a lot of people talk about, but fisons say like you do kind of flies under the radar, but yet it's a very very helpful molecules, so some of your suppositories are daytime in which case ideally, someone should wait to put them in until they've had say a morning bowel movement, and then put it in and try to if you can have another ballot move for like five to seven hours. If you want to get everything you want out of it, right. Ideal okay got it so so you've got the kind of like the plant based antioxidant. Cellular Senescence one that you do during the daytime and that one's called again. WHO's tall tall Sandman is the Melatonin. Glutathione. Yeah, that's Max clue glued Amax and then wh- what else what other suppositories other. Well. We've got the. Stem tour. Which is the? It's an an tour activator, so it's good for people that you know for working out like everybody's all focused on inhibiting tour, but. Actually a leaderless and skinny their whole lives. Yeah! I mean it's all about balancing it. You know it's like you want to activate it. You want to inhibit you know so. It's something that you can pre or post workout and get a little bit extra repair. Through the tour pathway? Hey, I want to interrupt today's show to tell you how you can get easy. high-quality humanely raised me. That can trust from butcher box. 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I want to get back to a few other more subtle nuances of the ingredients first of all most of the suppositories and I'm looking at the label. You also have bacteria in them. it. Tell me about the bacterial parks I'm trying to figure out. Can you actually reseed I mean? Obviously, we know about fecal. biota transplants, and and the ability to be able to populate the rectum, the the bio of of the colon, but are you kinda going after the same thing with these bacteria, or is there a different reason that they'd be in there? That's where you want your bacteria. You don't want it in the small intestine, you want it in the large intestine the so we were aiming towards improving the microbiome, but we're also looking at specific strains that would assist in the absorption of various ingredients. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, so so we kind of worked on those, and so we have a couple of different strain combinations that were utilizing one. That's more for like glue to find and antioxidants and another one. That's more on the CD hemp absorption. What would be an example probiotic? That you'd use well. We disclosed that those are proprietary. Okay, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. You can just hold it. Close to your chest nobis. Chat. Now melatonin Melatonin is one that I want to hone in on a little bit because I find that particularly fascinating. Yeah, we are recording this podcast during lockdown, which you are actually breaking government orders by not sheltering in place down in Florida. House just you know those are very risky plane ride. You went on to come up. And you may dyson. It was interesting. You know. It was almost apocalyptic flying out here. Yeah, well. I like the green the Greenfield House. Seddon all humbleness. I think if someone were to get sick, I've gotten more here at the house from Anti Malarial to care it into ozone. NEBULIZER which we'll talk about later either barrack to where you could probably receive better treatment than you get a hospital hands down here the hospital. Widow get from from the youtube. The feds are making their rounds right now, so we've got to be very careful but anyways Melatonin is being talked about right now. As as a possible, been pretty potent anti viral. There are a lot of other things going with militants talks a little bit about what people might not know about Melatonin in particular and just to to couch. This proper terms for people like one of your suppositories is like a hundred milligrams of Melatonin two hundred milligrams down I so so get into Melatonin, and also the safety and efficacy of using high dose. Dose like that because I. Get people are like shutdown melatonin production. Throw off my circadian Biology so go ahead and riff on Melatonin for awhile for me all right so great questions, gray questions, and so one interesting study. They did on oral absorption of Melatonin. They found that there's only three percent absorption, so it's not absorbed very well, but Melatonin is the. Primary Antioxidant. It's like at the top of the chain and. One of the one of the things that it does is it protects your? Might Kondracke under stress? You know what's really interesting. Is They did a study? Early on in the early days of Melatonin, they were looking at. Different aspects with animal models, and they weren't really seeing a big change with these with these animals when they were in a basically stress, free environment. You know they they weren't seeing any difference with their immune system or anything like that, but what they did is they changed the study around? And they took the mice, and they put them in tubes, little holes in them for like a couple hours a day, which is like a? stressor because they're in a confined area and so this increased cortisol in different stress hormones on the animals, and so what they did then is, they looked at the animals on Melatonin versus off Melatonin, and that's where they really started to get excited like there's something to Melatonin that really helps to protect the system when it's under stress and when you look at that study, you know it's like I. Look around right now. I see what are people are confined. To their house, it's almost like that. Studying are hardening or dark, little Roden tubes. Yeah, so it's like we need to put Melatonin the water supply. But well. Let's let's dive into it a little bit so. There's there's. Restorative aspects of melatonin protective aspects. It helps with sleep. A lot of people know that. There's a there's there's something called the gladdock system and I think you've talked about this podcast range draining system. It's like pumping action in so people start to develop problems in their brain. They start to accumulate these different proteins like amyloid Beta. Protein tangles, and so forth, and so The these are immune. Complex is actually end so. They found that it's not so much. The problem that these proteins are collecting as much as it's a problem with them being cleansed out of the brain, and so if you look at. As you get older, the Melatonin just declines rapidly as you get older and so. This activator for deep sleep starts to diminish and so deep sleep is the primary activator to glimpse attic system. So. So, supplementing with Melatonin makes a lot of sense for that just for preventing degenerative neurologic conditions, but another really interesting aspect of Melatonin is it inhibits cancer growth, so they've done a lot of studies, you know if you go on start researching pubmed and so forth you'll see a lot of different cancers have been shown to be inhibited with Melatonin so a lot of natural medicine. Docs will use it in their practice for that. And then there's the the viral protection. You know which I think. We should dive into a little bit. which just blew my mind when I started to read about it? Yeah, what do you see with with? Viruses known well showing you that picture before right? You show me. Picture so they were looking Ebola and Ebola just has a devastating effect on the endothelial lining of blood vessels. And, so they did an with animal models with and without Melatonin, and you see this picture, and you can just see the blood vessels are just completely destroyed. You know with the animals that didn't get the Melatonin another really interesting station. Email me that picture by the way I'll put it in. The show notes. Yeah, yeah, every everybody's gotTA. Look at this picture because it's like you just look at it and you're like. Wow, that is really doing so night and day difference in terms of the protective effect of the Melatonin. Now now of course back to one of the questions that I was asking though, is this like say testosterone replacement for males where once you star is very difficult to come off. Shut Down Your indulgence. Protect production right. This is something. A lot of people been asking me about after hearing I started using your Melatonin suppositories as well. You screw your circadian biology share own ability to produce Melatonin well. This is the concern with any hormone. Are you GonNa? Shut down your endogenous production. You know that's what happens with testosterone. You start supplements testosterone. Your Body Says Oh, I've got plenty of that I. don't need any more right with Melatonin. It doesn't work that way. There is no negative feedback loop. You can take as much as you and there's no toxic level of it either so they they've done studies with animal authors on could find a guinea pig and kill him without, too. Well well, maybe two million, but they they went all the way up to one hundred and fifty thousand milligrams, which would be well I forget the exact equivalent, but it was the equivalent to one hundred and fifty thousand milligrams on one hundred and fifty pound person, and they stop the study because there's just no toxic level of the right. It's like the elephant that they tried to find the lethal dose of LSD with the elephant wound up dying from the tranquilizers. They had to give it so that it didn't just go berserk from all the St before actually croaked from the tranquilizer, so so yeah, not not the Melatonin is. Is that somewhere LSD but the? Very interesting in terms of the amount y. Much in it like. Couldn't you do like ten milligrams positively? You. Could you could you could do any? Amount of Melatonin, but what we're doing is super physiological dosing. So this is not like what your? You know your your primary care Docs giving you. You know five ten twenty milligrams. Melatonin to help with sleep. What we're talking about is moving the needle on various aspects of. Health, that can be related to high dose of Melatonin. What about. Relevant to some of the things that are in the news right now, something DIFFERENT THAN A, Bola from from a viral standpoint or anything similar to like a corona, virus or right so great question so. There was a recent article just this year that came out and these scientists are saying melatonin could. Be a very helpful. Substance for. Kron virus, and so they've looked at the. The the process of Melatonin what it does, and so the challenge with with this virus in particular is that it creates a cytokine storm right and that site a kind storm leads to something called are acute respiratory distress syndrome, so the lungs basically shut down. So what's involved with that? Something called an inflammatory. And that and Flam Zome is what leads to that whole cascade of sign storm, and so melatonin actually acts to calm. Down Okay. So in terms of blocking the inflammatory or blocking the of King Storm, this begs the question not to put you on the spot, but. There's also this concept that if you're using something like that regularly a very potent antioxidant that you might be just blunting your medic response in general medic response to exercise medic responses, stressors like kind of blending the body's own indigenous antioxidant production. Could you directly make yourself weaker, but doing something like that or well? They haven't done studies to really determine that, but I can tell you the lead authority of Melatonin, Russell Writer MD PhD and this guy. You know he's been studying Melatonin for. You know his whole life. Really. He takes one hundred milligrams every night. you know so. He's the most researched individual on Melatonin and so every night while yeah I'm GonNa have to upgrade my my Melatonin stocks. I use it. During Times of stress, I found very helpful. I use it when I'm traveling. Especially for long haul flights, it just completely reboots everything. I've actually used it on on a flight like a ten hour flight. With along with your high dose. which is how many milligrams in Idaho so you think you're taking the three hundred? Which is I've said this before on podcast. If you look at most of the studies, Zebdine sleep enhancement, it's at least one hundred mix plus and of course you might be able to say less rectal absorption because. You're getting a lot more in there, but meant that one two Combo Melatonin high-dose Melatonin and high-dose CBD via suppository Game Changer for sleep architecture, especially when travelling well, you know and and I found that to be true because I travel a lot from Florida to Hawaii you know, and it's a pretty brutal flight, and with time change, and so forth, and so I kind of started to hack this with the products myself and I. Even you know came up with what I call, the travel hacker kit, right and so. The the problem with when you're flying is that there's a lot of. Air Quality. Mold! It's probably going to get better now because I think they've up their standard. Since this whole krona virus epidemic, but you've got so. There's a lot of stressors that happen in the plane, and so taking a high dose of CBD made sense to me because it's it's neuro protective. You know so. It's almost like you've kind of a force field while you're traveling. And then of course, the Sandman to reset your Circadian Rhythm, and then we're also utilizing something called glued a stat, which is enables anti microbial nasal. The nasal sprays here in a little bit because I find those fascinating I I've actually been using glued stats, which also has sixteen and silver in it correct. Yeah, for for for just general antiviral preparedness, but before we move on, there was one other competent to ask you about. Because, there's a lot of chatter right now about it's absorbed. And bioavailability and that's D- Some People A. People using ORAL ARE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING AD vs. UNITED IN D. Patch yesterday, and I think that the Trans Dermal absorption and they intravenous absorption is amazing, compared to to most of the oral delivery mechanisms out there, but I want ask you. What about rectal like like could? You could theoretically use any directly like you're doing with. Melatonin et Cetera well. We have a neuro and eighty line. It's a nasal spray and it's also suppository, and so you know I got involved with a D early on before. Anybody really knew about it. You know it was the NASD conference in San Diego about five years ago or so. You know so. We started using it clinically and so we were charging up towards fifteen hundred dollars in on. People would sit at the clinic and run this issue. You have to run it slowly. Otherwise you get these effects, and by the way I did the fast push because I heard thought Gaza I'm like. I gotTa do this ten minutes. Terrible God, yeah! Just listening in it's a, it's a five hundred milligram ad push. Ivy in about thirty milliliters of solution and this type of thing you normally set for like two three hours, so we drift into your system Grit Grit. Your teeth breathe politic garbage can if you need to take puke? and. It is intense by I haven't been able to talk anybody into actually doing that. So it's kind of one of those what doesn't kill you. Make you stronger things I. I feel literally like that or or cold ice bath or the battle set on the bike. Any of these things that are somewhat difficult to do. You just don't do them because you're masochist. Yeah, I think there's something to be said for the psychological and mental strength built through occasion just like doing the hard thing. Yeah, including and I think I. Do you know Dr Craig Conn ever? Heard of them. Okay, so so he really feels that. The slightly unpleasant response to any IV is something that actually is beneficial for the nervous system and one of the reasons, people feel so good afterwards than there are other doctors who want to be a little bit kinder, and they'll code minister. Methyl donors with their entity detained or trimethyl, glycemic or S Edina Selma. Like Dr Matt Cook Does Right, and and I've done that before, and you literally barely feel the right. Yeah, and apparently still get some of the benefits, but. For some reason I kind of liked to feel it like I liked that sensation of knowing something's going I. Don't know if I buy into that I haven't seen any any research I think. Maybe that's just his intuition. It could be I think it is pure intuition. But you know we. We do the TRIMETHYL glysophate in the in the suppository you. Actually did that was not a leading question I? Do Not know you didn't entity suppository. Well I haven't shared it with you. I'm trying to I'm trying to just trickle it to. So many things you make, and there's obviously a lot more that I wanna get into, and we kind of already hinted at this idea of a nasal administration and these nasal sprays like last night Let's let's start with this one like you and I did a meditation breath work session. And I have done Combo in the past and in a Combo ceremony. The you know the the frog poison where you burn the skin and have a little bit apply to the to the burnt hole in the skin. To, really clear the head prior to that or a lot of other plant medicines is like I. Wa- It'd be another example. There's a South American. It's an herb or plant or tobacco variant, or what is called hoppy. r.i.p right. Either one day or rapid. And incredible head clearing effects, and normally it'd be like A. Powder that Shaman would kind of breathe up into your nose and Burns up deepen the skull and sticks with you with that. Burn for good ten fifteen seconds all of a sudden. Your head's clear Isabelle. And you kind of figured out how to a modern newfangled version of that. Yeah, well, you know first of all Combo Frog. Probably a lot of people listening to this have no idea what that is. I heard about that. You know a few years ago and actually we were utilizing that with some some of our infection cases. You know there's it's I forget how many times stronger than morphine it is. It's got you just feel good after you do a Combo session. Don't feel good while you're on. It and one get sick. It's a it's a hormone, oxen, very very powerful, hormetic stressor and a lot of times you grow up in a ball for fifteen twenty minutes after you do it just like fall asleep right so they call a combo nap right and and you want to purge to common for you. Don't really start throwing perjury do. A few. Amount that you think need to get the effect you. You purged usually. There's a five gallon by actually figured out how to microdosing it. You know so I'm able to get people just to the point where you know they don't even purge. You know you get all the beneficial effects if you if you do it in a lighter dose as well same thing burning the whole Niskanen. Yeah, that's that's the only way I because I think if you. If you ingest, it could kill you so probably. A COMBO suppository no! I've thought about it I've thought about it, but I think that you know I. Don't want to be the first to explore something. To hold the suppository for me. Number one is safety like I. Don't WanNa take any chances with myself and my patience, so yeah, yeah, that's reasonable, so this hoppy. What's called Zen Spray? Yeah, so so I have a a Collie. He's an MD and he's. He's living with a tribe in the Amazon and and he's real excited. Because all these different Amazonian tribes have their own blend of herbs, and they use it in ceremony, and so so he was excited about this particular bland, and he sent me some, and so you know I was using it, and it's a very strong effect when you inhale it in the powder. Very intense, but again like you said you feel good afterwards. There's there was something to it. I really had to take a dive into it and what I figured out is that it's an automatic activation, so it's actually you're actually strengthen your vegas nerve awhile. Strengthening Vega tone, and so that's why you feel so relaxed and clear because you're more calming down the sympathetic nervous system and activating the pair something exactly yeah. DR Congo again to to bring him up and he's been a former podcast guest he he was a guy who, in the past had sent me some nasal sprays and I had used for example his compounded ketamine combined with Oxytocin, which both my wife and I find it be fabulous for sex, and then you compounded this happy with Oxytocin, which is kind of like a feel-good trust, hormone tactile sensation feel amazing, and actually use some of that before sex, and it was a d, so the ketamine kind of this hits you, but it's very relaxing whereas this stuff was just. amped me up, but then made the sex feel amazing to with a with a super clear head, so I I don't know if you've ever. If you've ever compounded use it for something like that, but this this hoppy oxytocin blend. Never, use anything like that before it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's really it's really interesting. And it's also really good for like a meditation as well like if you take it so the the two ways, and I'm finding it popular to the used as as an entrance into meditation. And also. During breath work you know like newsom Wim Hof breasts and we did that with with some breathing exercises and your sauna. We're doing some very very rigorous breath work, and then right before the breath. Hold We. We use the spray. You're just getting this. Just hyperactive ation inveigled ner. Yeah, I felt as though the clearness in the head allowed for almost like an amplification of natural emt released that you get that former breath work, so I think pairing that, and I even before our session last night where we used it for the we did about twenty five minute breath work session. I had used it probably get eight to ten times prior for breath work, and it's amazing for breath worker meditation just because your head goes clear as a bell. Will I think I stumbled across? One morning I was on my couch and I was doing whim off and I just I had the zen there and I'm like. Let me try to blend these two together and I was so excited about it. I think I texted you right. I did a group tax because it was a few of us that we're. Beta testing a few months ago and It's. It's really it's really nice. This MD lives in the Amazon by the way I think you left out one part. He's like, isn't he? Like the only white man or something like that, who who's actually able to access these these zones. Yeah, because we. We have a mutual friend yet to be unnamed. He's actually my my. He's like my personal facilitator. Slash Shaman Yeah Amazing Guy I'm hoping someday I can get him on the podcast. And he's. He filled me in on that. That guy that lives in the Amazon right access to these medicines that. None of us would be able to get right, so it was very very special. Special! We're very fortunate to have it. We don't have so much that. It's scalable to a huge degree, but you know it's in a limited. Quantity? Can. You use in nasal spray besides hoppy and oxytocin. Well, you know an ad. We already talked about that, Glutathione. The the we also have a a peptide neuro Max, which has seem accent it, so it's like brain enhancing. and then the anti-microbials i. think is really Is Really helpful for a lot of different upper respiratory. In Matt Cook and I actually recently talked about this on a podcast about the issue with biofilm in the nasal passages. Brought that up, so a lot of people don't ever address that and you've got like this fly. Sticky material called. That the bacterial producing, so whatever you're breathing in the air is just getting stuck into your sinuses, so everybody really needs to consider some sort of a sinus hygiene right, and so a sinus hygiene could be a Netti pot where you're just using sailing, you could use a little silver. Some people I dine in their in their Netti Pot. We have a product called glued a stat which has also fide sage oregano cloverleaf. Bay Leaf and That's got peanuts. Stuff I've been nebulizer. So that's a we have formula docs like to nebulizers it a lot of the people that utilize our our line, our physicians you know, and then they give to their patients, so using nebulizers is a way. For these doctors are are utilizing the latest stat to actually get deep into the sinuses and also into the lungs. And I WANNA talk about nebulizer, but kind of like suppositories be because a lot of people know how to swallow capsule, but might not have known I'd use suppository until we explained it same thing with nasal spray. How how do you do it? Do. Do you need to cover one nostril? Breathe in. How long do you need to like? snorted Info like what what's the proper way to get the most out of a nasal spray if you're gonNA, use one well if you can time it where you breathe at the same time that you're squirting. that. That's helpful, and so you know you place the nasal spray nozzle at the at the opening of the nasal passage, and then you cover the other nostril, and then you sprayed, and you don't WanNa. Breathe to too too hard in because it's just going to go straight through the sinuses, so if you want it to Kinda. Coat your sinus cavity GONNA WANNA! Probably do like an inhale like medium. And then. And, then you don't let it set there, you know, don't like, sniff really hard, you know. Let it kind of sit on the on and coat the sinuses. You ever think about which Nostril Hebrew that into because in in ironic medicine yeah. The right nostril. You're activating more It would be. Paris and pathetic. Breathing in for the left Nassir would be more sympathetic. Cou Cou, so could you theoretically say okay well? This is like an upper that I'm going to be a nasal spray, therefore for the left Nostril, most appropriate well, Ben now you're starting to get into the functional neurology stuff. We we'll even put like peppermint oil on just one side of the nostril. Bounce the brain when there's a deficiency on one side. Yeah, I actually have for those who want to take a deeper dive into the beauty of the nostrils, the fact that they are literally erectile tissue, and which nostril debris then to activate different systems like sympathetic repairs sympathetic. Go listen to my podcast with James. Nest store the author of the book breathe because we. We actually kicked out on it for about fifteen minutes about the nostril, and how how to kind of tweak which nostril you breathe through? If you're doing alternate, also breathing breathing's really interesting. That's fascinating. I haven't listened to that one yet. It's not out yet. Next week. It'll be out though before. This one comes out okay, so so the nasal spray and then the last question is how how? Deeply intensely, and for how long do you need to breathe in after you administer a spray? Well once it's in there, you want to just let it sit. You know and so if you feel like you need to. SNIFFLE try to gentle gently because I just really snort hard I. Know You. Don't need to be doing that. No, okay, no, 'cause. You're just getting it straight through down into the throat. That's why I'm tasting in the back of my throat. I just just breathe it in that I have to really help it after that yeah. Okay! Do you need to be tilting the head forward, anything like that. For versus set-back yeah. That's that's the Pasha when you're when you're holding it with your hands. You know it's. It's not necessary to extend your head, but just a normal normal position to the had haven't really seen a big difference with with head position as far as You know nasal spray. Okay? Now nebulizer we. We've talked about suppositories. We've talked about nasal sprays, and then there is nebulizers for people who never heard of that aren't familiar with the term. What is doing okay, so nebulizers are some it's a way for. US to get medicine into patients, and so on what the nebulizer does is it puts a liquid into tiny fine mist, and then you can breathe that in and so it's going to affect. Absorption through the nasal passage, but you're also going to get some absorption for the lungs. And you know there's actually quite a bit absorption into the bloodstream through the lungs. When you breath the the nebulizers ing particle particularly end, so you're not just doing this for the respond to retract sexy getting the bullets drink. Yes, okay, so so the nebulizer I think. The first time I used was actually at Dr Matt Cooks. He had me nebulizer include a thion. Again for some of the reasons. We discussed biofilm nasal passages. In terms of the way that it. Works, she get like a little mask. And this would. You can buy an abuser on Amazon for example right and you in this is different than like a nebulizer for essential oils. You WanNa get your some essential oil and everybody's. You want one with a mask that you love your face. And, then you would put your nebulizer fluid into a little chamber that a tube connected to between the mask, and the Chamber and then you turn on the nebulizer basically creates a fine particulate right that you would then breathe, and you breathe you breathe in through your mouth or do breathe through your nose. Well it depends right. So for those listening, you know the way I see it is if you want to affect the upper respiratory track, or you're looking for something more neurological like for brain. You're. GonNa WanNa, nebulizers. Or nasal spray if it's more like a full body, suppositories work a little bit better. I think that you're gonNA. Get more. Content into the bloodstream through the suppositories. But if anybody's dealing with like you know. If if they feel like they're coming out with the flu or they have like an upper respiratory infection. So that's kind of how we how we started to formulate the greatest was. I got really sick. And I was at the time I was crewing for Tony Robbins. and. This flu was like a two week brutal. Do high-fives with yeah. Was Medical so I was the guy that when people would start. Flipping out and going into convulsions, 'cause they're doing some of the activities Tony I would have to go and do CPR. I five. And then high file. Yeah so. But but you know it was a responsibility and I felt like I really to step up to the plate and go even all starting to get sick, so I started to formulate these different antimicrobials into. Started nebulizer and literally I. Was Nebulizer at every I think twenty minutes, and the next day I woke up, and I had zero symptoms like it just wiped it out, and so I knew I was onto something after that, and so since then I've been introducing this not to my practice, but a lot of other doctors practices because you know when you start to get sick, this is where it starts starts in the sinuses. It starts in the seeds there. And then it gets into the bloodstream from that point down the throat, and then into the lungs right so if you can stop it right there with antimicrobial right where? Because if you take something. You take an antibiotic early. It's going to throw the whole body. And so. A lot of times. These bacteria viruses are mold. They're they're kind of stuck in that biofilm right now in sinus cavity, or in the in the nasal cavity as well so you could utilize this if you like. You've been exposed to airborne pathogens. If you've been in a heavily polluted area, if you're insert about viral exposure, and from what I understand, the lungs don't actually have much of their own built in antioxidant systems. You're essentially supplying the respiratory tract with antioxidants that normally would not be able to produce itself right. Now, what aside from something like Glutathione? Ns? Do. You utilize nebulizer, or is that kind of your know that and silver I? Suppose is the other one you mentioned. Yeah, so you know. The two primary things that docs are using to navy is what their patients or the the glue to Genesis. And and that's really high glutathione content liquid. And then there's the glue to stat which is more anti microbial I mean. Those are the two primary. Routes that we're going with with the nebulizer. And are expensive, other I don't know. What do you fifty bucks? Yeah Yeah Yeah and not putting on spot, but if somebody wanted to buy a bottle of the gloomiest out like the stuff, I've got my on my desk right now. How much like that cost? I think it's about one twenty one nineteen. Yeah, and that's been used for like a month and a half way through the bottle. Feel like it's got pretty good life. Should I have in the refrigerator? By the way? Yes, the genesis, you should not stat the new stats pretty stable outside. Whatever's in my office I think it's the good style. Yeah, yeah, you're good. Okay so this is obviously stuff that goes way beyond cancellation technology, and that the pills that people used popping and I think you know compared to intravenous administration, which is highly efficacious, but again not gonNA mess around needles, or or have a practitioner come to their house to oversee that I think is very convenient something. I was thinking about that when I was in your hyperbaric oxygen. Oxygen Chamber actually did a a loose atoll. Before I went in there and you know you can't sit there and run ivy in a hyperbaric but you think about the advantage of having those nutrients flowing through your blood while you're in hyper-baric to push that into the cells. I'll tell you what you need to do. Then is you need to figure out some kind of like? Or CITRA, lean or nitric oxide precursor delivery for hyperbaric use, because that's the issues is there is some Vasil construction that occurs at pressure. If you can Vasil dilate in conjunction with that pressurized oxygen that would be a cool one for hyperbaric kind of suppository that that's basically like like talk side precursor. Have you heard of the IV laser that they're doing intravenous laser. So we call it Luma down and so we have similar like ultraviolet blood irradiation. It's so it's a machine and we're able to actually direct laser into a vein. and. He's infrared ultraviolet red, green blue. You know what you're talking about I've done that. Don at a guy who's bound podcast before actually podcasts at while. We're doing Avi Hershkovich Don in San Francisco Right. I think I heard that. Yeah, yeah, so so we've been at that for a while. And so you know the the the doctor that pioneered this was is really into providing. Photo active nutrients you know like Curcumin is a big one right so blue light in particular really activates that so once it's in your bloodstream. You can activate it with the light photo bio modulation. Among working with this with his doctrine Germany, he's actually going to be in my viral summit as well Dr Webber. This genius and And so working on some suppositories, because a lot of these things you don't, you don't find an Ivy. We actually have or Curcumin IV by the way, and it's amazing, but very expensive. Yeah, so if you can get suppository for like ten bucks. What about some of these things that would up regulate side of chrome oxidise in motto Qendra in response to Photons of light. Could you also use something like that? Prior to the Luma Med I'm talking about like Chlorophyll from Clara or Melanin from Chattanooga or methylene blue. Could you take that Orly? Aluminum in well I think the will on the methylene blue. We're using the methylene blue as well. You know we. We just started a protocol, or we're giving people methylene blue, and then we're using A. TRT Machine I think I turned you onto the guy that I haven't use. It was TRT's Stan Foregin. Generation Technology so it's it's an acoustic device and they're actually doing some studies on Alzheimer's in Europe where it's breaking up that amyloid plaque. I actually did wind up trying that. It was over at the Office of Dr Phil. Here in Spokane, they had a TRT. Mess Right? My problem is since I've quit racing spartan and doing triathlons I haven't really had much with injuries. Yeah, so you know people asked me what hurts and there's not much to work on. It's hurting. Yeah, knock on wood, but. That's not supposed to be amazing. kind of like pulse electromagnetic field therapy, but what's nice about is that gets deep into the body, and so you can do deep hip and spine and you know because there's different acoustic wave devices I'm sure. A lot of people heard about the gain wave gains wave, but this is this is a different technology, so it's literally the head of the of the devices. It fills with water and you're using ultrasound GEL. And so you know we're using this for everything from e, d, to prostate conditions, I mean some of the stuff we're doing for. Prostate is unbelievable or ozone injections. We're using this TRT machine. game changer for a lot of elderly. That's all at your practice in Sarasota. You're doing that stuff, okay? The the other thing. I wanted to ask you about this water last night and I. Don't know if you're able to disclose anything about, but you. It was holy water and you can get my wife. She thought we were we were pranking. Are Because you gotTA NASAL SPRAY? Had some that I? Actually drank or early in the sauna can say anything about what this mysterious well, I. I can't divulge this yet I'm going to, though I mean we're going to be. We're going to be bringing this to the United States. It's it's big. And China and they're US utilizing this for. Chinese seem to have much luckily. Hard Go, but it's approved there for cancer and it's approved. They're they're using it for for viral infections as well successfully but when I was sick with lime disease. This is probably going back fifteen years ago I had a doctor. Come by my office with this home. It's a homeopathic. And he did some injections, so it comes in an injectable injected around some of the joints that were sore, and it was just miraculous like the pain went away, but this guy couldn't find it again and so. Dr, Alec Smithers, he's a medical doctor that works works with me in in Sarasota Florida. He found this company and so we. We've reconnected with them and. So in talking to the doctor that formulated does he was basically buying art in in In the Middle East, and so he found he found this this pamphlet and there was like in some in scripted language. He had it translated, and it was some sort of a a healing remedy. And, so he started playing around with us, and that's where he developed this particular product. And then? A few years later I. Guess, there's there's there's this true holy water. It's like it's called. Water and it's got certain properties that they think that there was some sort of a fountain of youth that was in Jerusalem somewhere. And, so there's there's the realize we've already lost like half our listeners. Keep going. I know, this sounds crazy. Well. So I'm not a big believer I mean I. We use homeopathy, but to me. He's always been subtle right. This product is not subtle. This product gets some amazing results like for instance even for me, personally like I've had bone marrow I've had X. zones in my hip, and I still had some stuff going on, and so I had this product injected into my hip, and it's literally done the best that anything else has done. Dan POMPA was at my clinic. Clinic a couple of weeks ago right and he's had X. zones and stem cells on his neck, and he got, he got a lot of results, but I talked to him few days ago, and he said because we use this this holy water injected into his neck combine with axioms and you know he's reporting to us that it's it's the best is next ever fell while we and it comes in a drinkable. You can nebulizers the stuff. It's a nasal spray. Lot of applications to, but we could probably do a whole podcast on it while so once you kind of have a chance to develop it and I assume nonproduction US kind of playing with the right now. No comment. Okay all right well I'll try, and the show notes updated at had been GREENVILLE FITNESS DOT com. Slash Dr John. If you WANNA, stay up to date on holy water, and that's also where you can. You can leave questions about any this stuff we talked about. Anything excited about right. Now, Yeah, so we started to. Play around with O's needed sailing actually so with the Russians kinda started pioneer this procedure where there's a it's like a glass. Tube right and you put sterile water in there and you bubble ozone through the water, and then you run it intravenously. And you know we've been using ten pass for probably WANNA say almost five years, so we got into PASOS ten of which I've. I've done some pretty thorough podcasts on before. Right so anybody listening to this. You know there's different ways you can utilize ozone, and there's all these different benefits ozone. Has You know we? We don't need to get into all that? But it has a lot of benefit and so. Dosage wise and safety. Wise, there's there's different ways that you could administer ozone ten pass. Seems to be one of the highest levels where you take. About two hundred CC's of blood out of the body, and then under pressure you mix it with ozone, and then it's allowed to go back into the body, and we've just seen remarkable improvements with lime disease, and some autoimmune, and so forth with that, but we started to play around with this with this other procedure were calling rejuvenates, and so what we're doing is we're? We're seeing this was needed. Saline and we're were were actually being high dose magnesium at the same time and we're putting him in this This pod device called CPAC. Have you ever see VAC alter alternate I low pressure. Yeah, so this. This machine is fascinating. It uses ambient air. And, there's a lot of the same benefits of hyperbaric oxygen chamber, but it's a lot easier to use. It's only a twenty minute session, and it's like you're going up to the top of Mount Everest. Back, down multiple times you're so the pressure changes, and that's where all the benefit happens, and so we like it because it really helps to open up. The body to circulate nutrients so like you know, and it's also very powerful with the fat system. So you're able to kind of flush a lot of things through the nervous system that way and it's also stimulates. They've done some studies where it actually activate stem cells. It activates Mata Kondracke biogenesis things that you want. That's called. Rejuvenate six so that the rejuvenation is the combination of all those during the high dose, magnesium. The the Os needed sailing and then the sea afterwards. Interesting. There's there's a lot of cool protocols that one can get done a clinic like that, but I also liked this idea that you can use something like a nasal spray suppository realize. Stuff you can, you can get pretty good effects from just. Go to the doctor, which a lot of people really can't travel right now. At least during the time we, we're recording this, but the the clinic in Florida. If people want to like fly in and see you, are you still taking new patients or you? Hardcore into like the the nasal sprays, suppositories now or well been that? That's one of the reasons that we kind of formulated these things. Things because you know we were able to ship them out. Send them to people all over the world. You know where we can only treat so many people in the clinic, but we're also able to use these products you know I was looking at like what Whoa what do I need clinically for some of these really difficult cases, and that's how a lot of these formulas came to be. But but yeah we. We are accepting new patients, or you want to get excited about something besides this podcast which I think is GonNa Change People's lives, I. Honestly I, whenever I find cool new shit. I just turned people onto it. Just. It just makes me smile and I think people are a lot of benefit of this stuff. They start to try it again. You guys listen to this Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Dr John. D. R. J. O. H. N.. The other thing I'm excited about is I. Want to give you a preview of tonight because going to be amazing. Okay? Here's Oregon tonight. Using listen so. Evening at the Greenville houses like I got a I got two of the doctors. Coming over guy runs a local wellness clinic that I think you're able to see yesterday. Dr Love Dr Love. Dr Love the wellness three amazing juice bars. Natural Medical Clinic in Spokane and then my camera chestnut. Race on his back in the day, the guy and now he's cosmetic surgeon here in Spokane, and then my my wife and I think I think cameras were might come over to, so we're going to do. We're on the sauna and we're going to go down. There s guys and just like Jackson the sauna breach on the sprays down there. If you want some of the guys, try brazen, and we'll spend like thirty forty minutes, sweating it out and catching up in the sauna that I like to do that versus just like drinking beers on the couch and then. Then we'll go hit the colts. will give people the option and do the thirty five degree Morales, forge, or the the big old cold pool. Therapy and then we're GONNA finish up with with some of the hot tub, so already feel amazing after that and then My my wife is making one of her signature recipes that I absolutely love beer can chicken, so she's got two big old organic chickens so. We're GONNA do a sweep. Jessica is an amazing cook by the way my Gosh. If I weren't fitness I'd be morbidly obese and then on. We're going to do a bunch of organic red wine. We have a nice healthy dessert. Music Awesome is. This is going to be amazing now. You've got a good voice by the way. Thanks yeah, I was I was shocked. You invited me up when you sung to your kids like for for bedtime, and it was just like I. Mean Your Your Voice is incredible. Have you ever Sung in front of your your your clan here on a podcast? I have and actually a couple of things. And I think if you want me to, but. To tell told me a song and often remember the words. Started to Heaven Dr Matt in Cook a Dog. Dr Matt and Cook. Dr McCook Country, music album okay, so our band is called rocky roots, and I think it's rocky roots dot. I'll put a Lincoln. If you search rocky roots Ben, Greenfield, you'd find it, so we've got that. I am trying during this Corentin to record another kind of like country music album of old timey Hems, because I just love kind of like the Allen Jackson Approach. Yeah. You do have a country like Gres. There it is there it is. So so how about this will will will sing people out on a nice nice little. Tune. I'll give you guys. 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