August 6: Under the gun

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This is a c._b._c. Podcast in the fall of nineteen ninety eight an elderly woman known as the cat lady went missing. She had a very very distinctive silhouette and very recognizable and you'd see you're walking into town a handkerchief on her hair long overcoat. Take somebody that lived on the street. All police could find were her. Thirty cats shot dead. I always knew something had happened to her. Did vanish like that uncover. The cat lady case from c._b._c. Podcasts is available now. Hello hello. I'm peter out of paradise sitting in for carol off good evening. I'm chris boden this as it happens the podcast edition tonight under the gun after the killings in dayton ohio facing pressure from voters the governor of the state announces new gun control measures but a state senator says getting those measures passed. Will we close to impossible city orphaned. The mayor of mogadishu dies after a terrorist bombing at his office and an adviser tells us she hasn't just lost a friend and she's losing hope for the future of the city making history by remaking it the late tony morrison wrote stories that hadn't been told in a voice voice no one had ever heard before and tonight a longtime friend and collaborator shares her own stories of the person behind the brilliant words. The watched pot boils over a bbc woman opens her home to a local garden tour only to have it rated later by police because she had three cannabis plants. Yes which is legal but they were visible from public place which weirdly is not straight to the point inist and unwelcomed summer tradition begins again in germany as people are kept a week by their loud lustful neighbors who can't be reasoned with because they're hedgehogs wchs and for one thing it doesn't say hi love you guys but a new artificial tongue isn't just silent after a lot of whiskey it's also much it's more accurate at tasting whiskey than the growth sloppy tongues we store in our dumb human mouths as it happens the tuesday edition radio that knows when it's i licked today day more survivors of the massacre at an el paso texas walmart are telling their stories octavio was inside the store on saturday morning when the shooting broke out he he was shot in the foot. His fifteen year old nephew was shot and killed. Here's part of what mr leonardo said at a hospital press conference today. I heard the gunshots aren't we in line to open a bank account. We saw people running and i grabbed him by the hand of all crap so i grabbed them and shots were fired so i took him to the bank and <hes> well everything happened the nephew in the back to where it was hiding he he shot lining foot like i said he could have easily shopped me but he do meanwhile the city of dayton. Oh hi oh is dealing with the aftermath of its own weekend mass shooting nine people were killed when a gunman opened fire in a downtown neighborhood on sunday at a vigil for the victims is republican governor. Mike dewine was interrupted by calls from the crowd who demanded he do something today. Governor dewine said he got the message. He announced. Seventeen new gun unrelated measures here. He is explaining one of the proposals today. I'm asking the legislature to pass a law to allow courts to issue safety protection orders the orders which would be granted upon clear and convincing evidence will allow the removal of firearms from potentially dangerous individuals and get them the mental mental health treatment today need get them whenever help that they need seashell. Thomas is a democratic ohio state senator who has tried to introduce a number of new gun laws in the state. We reached him in columbus senator. Thomas governor dewine wind says he has finally heard the call to do something about gun violence. Why do you think your republican governor is. Finally listening listening now at the <hes> republican governor finally loosening <hes>. I go back to <hes> governor casick. Try very hard all right to get some <hes> gun legislation parents which was red flag. He and i work together to try to push through. I ever the general assembly the majority audience feel to move this issue following. I suspect that we need the same rhetoric that occurred the last time the governor governor is powerless unless the journal simply agrees and based on some of the other items that are added to the bill. I don't forsee the <hes> the bureau moving forward and so just a few days after many people in your state were gunned down in a in a mass shooting and he said look got on expect anything to happen this time either. Where does that leave you. It leaves me frustrated. When i heard the news was like a dagger in my aunt because of the amount of work i try to get what would be considered commonsense gun legislation to <hes> aw minimize the potential of these kinds of things happening so talk to me about some of these commonsense measures that you have introduced politically three. What are some of them that you've suggested well. Obviously i suggested universal background checks even my colleagues on the other side of the hour. I thought aww they would be reasonable. When nearly eighty to ninety percent of the people that live in ohio agree to universal background checks we also talked about closing gun show loopholes in makes no sense that need vigil coming to a good show purchase from a private seller a not goes no background check. There's nothing that makes no sense. You know i had a quick look at an article that listed gun bills pending at the ohio state house. I think there's at least ten or eleven in there some <hes> in the senate some in the house and each one is stock in some sort of committee in in other words. There have been no legal changes in your state as it pertains to gun laws in the state of ohio has been under one in two thousand they have been through and just a simple vote to pass commonsense gun legislation could leave very simple if they were serious about taking on this issue and not afraid of beer constituents who <music> are gun lobby and who are n._r._a. Supporters longer this stuff. Your governor said he's going to introduce measures like safety protection orders and increased background checks. How much difference do you think measures like that would actually make in preventing mass shootings like the one we taught in in dayton this weekend. This man had a contact with law enforcement and there were concerns by members every school. Even the administration of school had to remove him from school because of the kinds of threats that you were make head we had a red flag lauren place it just maybe once he went to purchase that weapons it would've shown up in a in a thorough background check investigation. My point is that bena stock the situation doggone sure rick. Give us an opportunity to to dock that situation and just so i have. I understand this correctly. Yeah i understand that a red flag law in your country is a prevention lloyd allows police or family members to go to court and say look the firearms should be taken away from that is that what a red flag law essentially it takes the gun away from the individual it allows to temporarily remove him from access to that farm well. There's additional evaluation being addressed. He accused shooter in dayton was able to arm himself with a high-capacity rifle with one hundred round magazine and fired forty one shots and less than thirty seconds a semi automatic weapon. How how is anyone able to get their hands on that kind of firepower being able to offer that type of weaponry which is basically a weapon phenomenon war being able to argue that over the habit delivered to a gun store then growing pick that up. Why would we want that attack in the hands of folks on streets. So what is it mean. Say the right to grow arms if someone needs an handgun learn to protect themselves in their whole nothing wrong with if they want to have a gun for recreational purposes but do we want weapons of war. You're for someone who's just about weapons. That makes no sense. President trump is set to visit dayton tomorrow is he welcome in ohio ohio. I have two people like i would hope that he would come bringing the common common sense thoughts but if he's gonna come and giving his condolences and given a lip service to how we need to fix our laws those are got problems with that. Hot steer hurts when i'm thinker just possibly this could have been voided at we immediately. He didn't put in place things that will allow for early. Warning signs. Give family members tools that they can use to provide right law enforcement community. Some assistance give the laws to psychiatrists so they were have some tuesday help out. We need to bring all all these folks to the table and say how can we do this so that we could make it as difficult as possible for individuals to get their hands on these types of weapons senator thomas <hes> thank you for making time for us today. I do appreciate it. Thank you have a good day bye. See-saw thomas is a democratic democratic ohio state senator we reached him in columbus <music> in nineteen ninety-three three tony morrison became the first black woman to win a nobel prize in her acceptance lecture. She said quote we die. That may be the meaning of life but we do language that may be the measure of our lives unquote. Tony morrison died yesterday in new york city. She was eight years old but but if language is the measure of a life. She'll be immortal in two thousand fifteen. The author of beloved song of solomon jazz spoke with carol on this program. She just published published the novel god help the child during their conversation carroll asked if she identified as an african american writer or an american writer it has to be both you know it's like unal. Tolstoy was a russian writer and he was a world right and you know. I don't know why there has to be. I can't be both things i think of myself or obviously see i think of ourselves as somebody named chloe wofford but out in the world you know i relate fundamentally as has an african american phoebe and what is hanging over dad or sheltering feeding that is the right. That's what i am a writer pulitzer prize winner nobel laureate and presidential medal of freedom recipient tony morrison speaking with carol on as it happens in twenty fifteen from nineteen eighty nine until her retirement in two thousand six tony morrison taught at princeton university where she met her longtime friend colleague and collaborator claudia brodsky. We reach is professor brodsky today in paris france claudia brodsky. Let me first say i'm sorry about the passing of your friend tony morrison thank you. I appreciate straight that. When did you first meet each other well. It was back when tony was first about to be employed by princeton. In university where i had also just been employed and i was in the audience of her kind of inaugural lecture and buy some extraordinarily fortuitous gesture i was invited to the very small dinner with her after that lecture and from that moment on i it is fair to say that we were friends. We both share the the same belief in the power of language to reach people and many people remarking on toni morrison's career as a writer today but as you said we were friends well what what was tony morrison lake is a friend well <hes> every milestone that and every difficult moment that i went through she was there for and i'll give you one example. I was an expectant mother of a second child more or less at wit's end and <hes> and sh. I was searching desperately for a name for my child and she said <music> okay. Claudia calmed down just call her chloe. I'm giving you that it. We'll suits her perfectly. Take that as my gift to you now if that just simply a pitta mayes d- her understanding outstanding of the gift that languages that's not just a name. She picked out of the air right that that's tony morrison. That was her name as a young child old. Yes did you name your child chloe. I suck secretly did and then it was the perfect name and she understood what she was doing when she gave it to me. It was like i'm giving you this. That's my gift to you. Take it and stop worrying and you know she often do that. Just like like enough claudia. Stop worrying do the following and that was one <hes> problem that she saw from me immediately now as far as friendship goes the most meaningful ones of course are given take and so we've been talking about some of the wonderful memories and things tony morrison did for you but you also reciprocated in many ways i'm sure in in one of the ways is when you worked alongside her for many years of princeton. You edited some of her work and i'm curious to know what does i early. Toni morrison. I draft raft actually look like well. I certainly wouldn't say that i edited but i will say this for a writer like tony who wants to know specifically how words land how specific turns of phrase are received for her to own ways send me her drafts of venue scripts was an honor to me but also something that i knew she would take seriously she would listen. Listen to what i had to say. She wanted a reception of her manuscripts from someone she knew also believed that the precision of language really counted and i was more than thrilled to provide her with responses but would i never edited. I would never say edited. Yes we share that as well and i was glad to give more than glad to give for my every sponsors. Those were some pretty wonderful moments. Undoubtedly tony morrison <hes> was a mega force. She's often celebrated for her writing about about the black experience and there has been long been a conversation about who she is writing for. What is your sense of who she hoped would read her are work. Who was she writing for. She was writing for everyone. She was wiping for women. She was writing for men. She was waiting for african american people. She was writing for all people not african american that was her extraordinary ambition and and i think that we can say she achieved it and she knew she would only achieve it based on her use of language and to our ability to imagine what the experience of actual factual data was is like she took great pride in the fact that she had researched every detail of her works and that her contribution contribution was to add experience to those facts and those experience she always hoped would be available accessible to everyone <hes> she wanted to be and i think she achieved the status of being canonical in the very best sense of the word today. Oh you know those of us who didn't know tony morrison only through her works are thinking of passages that she wrote thinking the books we want to revisit or read for the first time time and i'm sure you're thinking about all that too but i'm also wondering as someone who is a dear friend tony morrison. What are you going to miss most about her. The perfect interlocutor someone who understood that when i read what she wrote or spoke to her i would know she meant what she said and vice versa someone one who believed that communication without screens or as possible when i last <hes> met with tony it was quote unquote all times that is to say she was alert to everything that was going on and i'm gonna say this one kind of wonderful thing which was had she was more optimistic than i was about the outlook for the nation it. It was extraordinarily to me. I mean she looked at me as if i were just someone immature enough what i express my dismay she said oh come on claudia we've been here before and that again was something quite extraordinary about having her as a friend the perspective that she provided ms brodsky. Thank you for sharing a bit about your friend tony morrison with us today. I really do appreciate it. I pleasure thank you. We reached professor claudia brodsky in paris chris yesterday her friend the nobel prize winning author. Toni morrison died at the age of eighty eight <music>. Anna minton runs a wellness collective in revel stoke busy. She dabbles in gardening and she she considers herself a law-abiding citizen and she was until she opened her home for the city's annual garden and art tour where her three legally allowed pot plants were on on display. A generous community minded gesture that ended with a visit from the r._c._m._p. We reached intimate in revel stoke. Okay ms minton so oh. You were getting home from dinner on friday night. When did you realize something was up at your house. <hes> as we were approaching the house <hes> <hes> we notice all the lights on which is not something we do and that my dog was tied up outside <hes> which we were putting inside because there was cougar sightings and so when you pulled up to your house and notice the lights were on the dog was outside then what did you do. We didn't really think anything of it. We walked past our tenants and they were like are you guys okay and we're like yeah. We're fine like completely clueless as to what had just gone down <hes> and then when we entered our house <hes> right as we entered our house they had put a stool with the search warrant on a stool in front of <hes> as we entered then i look grabbed it and went and asked her tenants. I was like <hes> what just happened. You know they're like yeah. We we when we got here. We thought you know like maybe the coup with the first question to the cats like are you hear about the cougar <hes> and they're like we have a search warrant and they said one cop kept them away from them. Basically searching through the house and <hes> that there was three cruisers and five cops you had been growing three pot plants which you are allowed to do like every other canadian under the law and our country what what happened to your pop <hes> <hes> on sunday july twenty eight <hes> my husband and i opened up our garden for local fundraiser for the local food initiatives and and <hes> from what we understand a local r._c._m._p. Officer saw are three plants and found that ground to open a search warrant because we cross section fifty six g on the candidates act of putting plants in public fifty six g says you are not allowed to have pot plants. That's on public display something like that yeah and that's where the search warrant that you found taped to a stool there on the stool when you walked in your front door after going out for dinner. Dots what what the r._c._m._p. Had left left. You say why they had entered her house and searched it. Why they had grounds for the search warrant was yes because 'cause we had <hes> we had plants in public yeah and so when you got all those pieces kind of together in your own head. How did you feel when you realize your entire home had been searched by police lease because of three pot plants that you have which are legal which you broke the law by putting them on some sort of display for the public. I was heartbroken <laughter>. Ah i was incredibly heartbroken felt invaded. I felt betrayed by my local r._c._m._p. My house feels tainted <hes>. I you know like it's it's. It's a really weird feeling to be completely on and this all goes back to the garden artur. You hosted in your house so the implication as i understand is that by opening up your home meant you violated the law by putting the pot plants on displays at your understanding of it is what i'm believing. I still haven't heard from the r._c._n. Piece i yeah i don't fully know their their side of the story still <hes> but from from you know like i said the pieces put together <hes> <hes> when i announced to the rest of the garden tour members that that this had happened a few of them spoke up and said whose name was on the warrants and they said we know as a fact he was present at the tour <hes> now we're fearful were next <hes> because i was not the only person to have <hes> kind because plants in my garden the law states that you aren't allowed to grow non medical cannabis that is visible from a public space that would include people on a garden tour. That's where the fuzzy line drawn i guess and <hes> that's what i'm hoping to get clarity on and so is my community and i think many other british columbians that are freaking out it <hes> that that they thought this was legal such as i. You said that you haven't spoken with the r._c._m._p. As of yet have you reached out to them <hes> to be honest. I don't really want to talk to them. <hes> they've hurt me and they could've come and talk to me right at the get go so <hes> i've left it for my lawyer and and the media to deal with it even if what you did is technically against the law what what do you think about the use of police resources and time put into investigating what happened on this little garden tour or three popout plants that you've had in your home. I don't think r._c._m._p. In in whole are necessarily bad people but i do think that their actions winds were unjustified. They could very easily just come and communicated with me to let me know that i had drawn the line so i i'm very disappointed with the waste of resources and a simple profile check. <hes> probably could help them out now that you're three pot plants <hes> gone. Are you planning to grow more plants. Once i better understood the laws because it looks like there's lots of <hes> fuzzy gray areas <hes> yes i'd love to i think canvas isn't beautiful medicine. I'm grateful that it did become become legal. I think it's a harmless plant. Cannabis has been legal in canada not even a year now <hes>. What do you think what happened to you. What do you wanna say to other canadians who may be growing their three pot plants in their home and having a garden tour whatnot <hes> i guess the more cautious versus that these laws aren't as exciting and pretty as they seem that there's they've put a lot of red tape around it and to be very aware of their actions and r._c._m._p. Seem to be serious about their as well enforcing what they can for me. I thought i was following the law and i guess i wasn't so to to not get get the same rude awakening that i i was granted. Ms meant and please keep us informed. <hes> what your discussions with the r._c._m._p. Are and what they tell you about a why they came came into your your home and took away your plants thank you. You're very welcome. I will keep you guys informed. Thank you for sharing the story by now. We reached anna minton and revel stoke b._c. We reached out to the r._c._m._p. But did not hear back by airtime and you can see pictures of ms minton's pot plants on our website c._b._c. dot c._a. Slash a i h abdirahman among omar osman fled wartorn somalia in the early nineties but after spending years in the u._k. He returned to mogadishu with a vision for a city free of violence. Last thursday mr osman the mayor of mogadishu died after he was injured in an attack at his office on july twenty fourth al-shabaab has claimed responsibility hold on ali is a somali canadian nurse practitioner who left her family and ontario and moved to mogadishu three years ago. She was both a friend and an adviser to mir osman c'mon. She was at his office just hours before the bomb went off. We reached hoedown alley in mogadishu and there's elliot. How did you learn about the attack. I i had just arrived at a place where i was having a coffee and some snack <hes> just finished the meeting and a friend of mine who was sitting next to me. Decides the medicine penalty has been bombed in the mayor is injured. <hes> i was like what that's not possible. I just came from there and i try to make some calls trying to sort of confirm. <hes> i was able to get through to anyone because some of the phones were busy and others were just is ringing in not being picked up <hes> as tried to frantically call every phone number i can remember more information was being passed through a friend who was with me through social media and the like and unfortunately what i had feared the the most was true an internal attack on the municipality satiety severely injuring the mayor and killing several colleagues and sorry difficult now you you said you had just just come from there. How close of a call was this for you. Extremely close. We had just spent the entire morning early. After noon. Conducting a meeting with the new secretary general representative to somalia <hes> the on some mission mr james swan made a courtesy difficult to the municipality and mayor and i really spent about two hours with him that morning he left about eleven thirtyish <hes> and then then after that <hes> had some more work in the office and decided to leave rug two p._m. After the mayor had just left and that's <hes> after that meeting is when i had gone to the coffee that i mentioned in that's where i learned of the tragedy. What do you know about the attacker. She was <hes> <hes> uh-huh by all accounts not a suspect to anyone <hes> blind young woman extremely articulate intelligence <hes> <hes> young woman who was a passionate advocate for those disabled and her office was next to mine. The mayor appointed her as has <hes> a director for disability in the region by all accounts. This was not someone that you ever expect to commit such atrocity. <hes> and i think this is another part why this attack is much scarier than all the others and it puts our security at at a much bigger concern given what you've just said. Do you have any sense of why. Do you think she may have done this. I don't you think there's any way of comprehending but from what i can <hes> what i've seen in what i do see our us who've been brainwashed into thinking ooh what they're doing is somehow <hes> religiously viable <hes> and that they are carrying in the name of islam but truly is the most and slamming act to take the life of innocent human being. There's many layers to why a young people join these extremist elements breath in particularly post conflict very fragile. <hes> economically disadvantaged youth particularly. She's of someone in with disability. She probably faced a lot more challenges but it also speaks to the fact that we're not doing enough to gain back could trust in in in the confidence of the youth in they are able to fall prey to ideologies that are such against humanity not and i think for her to take her own life and take the lives of ten other people. Is something fundamentally a challenge that this country faces in in in other places tonight just particular to this country. Tell me about mayor osman what what was he like and what does the death of him mean for for mogadishu in somalia mayor osmond also known as an engineer <unk> yeti so <hes> he was the youngest in his class engineering in class in in the term it is so indicates sort of someone of a small petites figure but also in age much younger than the classmates he was a a true patriots. Were dedicated to this country. <hes> came back from the astra's well <hes> he lived in the u._k. Raising a family chose to come back to somalia to be part of the building <hes> an amazing human being compassionate patient very humble but really invested in seeing somalia beat the evil of of terror on terms of for the city. It's a great loss <hes> <hes>. I think the shouldn't feel orphaned today. He had you know a dream. A vision of making the city great again <hes> he used to reminisce sir every time that we had visitors come to the municipality he would always open you know this is. The show was known as rivera of africa. <hes> where european tourists you'd prefer to <hes> vacation so that really was his his sort of <hes> what he hung onto in terms of memory free from his youth and he wanted to bring more to that point in further and that's how he lived every day in terms of how he governed you mentioned engined that he had you know moved abroad and come back to help improve life in somalia and so have you and so many other somalis who have who've left your home country country and gone abroad and and have gone gone back. Why was it was. It been so important for you to move to somalia. I think like many others <hes> who left and have come back. There's a sense of duty sense of honour wanting to come back and contribute to improve the conditions sion's of millions <hes> whichever little small contributions we can make as no recently also last a canadian journalists auburn l._a. Who chose is the comeback. Who's a good friend of mine. I think there's a calling for some of us who have been blessed to live in canada or in the united kingdom the end benefits from that privilege of being canadian or a brits with all the education all that life has given us the opportunity in one to share that in contribute that to the resurgence of somalia not to make it a place where all of us in the end if we wanted to come back back permanently can live and i think mary so really passionate about that. He always talked about one of his children to return to a safer more habitable somalia. How fearful are you for your life. You've lost two good friends. In the last month. We spoke to back in twenty seventeen after another attack in somalia. Malia left six hundred people dead. We know that somalia has great things but it is also quite can be quite a dangerous place and i'm wondering if you're thinking talking about leaving and how fearful you are for for your life <hes> yes i remember twenty seventeen <hes> connected over the biggest tragedy that this country has face you know in terms of loss that was huge but what happened that <hes> july twenty four probably has a bit more impact cocked in in more painful because it hits so close be navigable hours but also in the heart of the municipality with all kinds of layers of security breached and the mayor being killed among other nine how scared i am. I think this one this one has really resonate a lot more than any other attacks that have happened in in in the city. Am i scared absolutely my considering to leave. Yes <hes> haven't made that final choice yet but that is something very. I have a family <hes>. They constantly have been on the phone asking me need to to live in an at minimum. Take a break. You know we all come back. Knowing what we'll do. Show is a dangerous place but this this attack is different from all the other in the place where we feel more secure has been violated and i think that is probably the biggest track tragedy that we'd we have right now ms l. e. as you said you have <hes> three children who live in the west <hes> you are canadian and and you said mulling over whether to stay in somalia or whether whether to leave. How do you even make that decision. I it's not an easy decision. <hes> like i said you know to be kids. <hes> has been <unk> sisters franny who are desperately the word above me and i absolutely understand that's <hes> and then there's also the the part of me. That's been here for such a long time. The seeds <unk> that sees the need not to leave because if people like me leave <hes> it just leaves you know that space for others to fill that vacuum and we lose the bigger picture and i think sacrifices sometimes are are made for a greater the purpose of not that i'm wanting to sacrifice my life but i'm saying in terms of y._m. Still keep coming back to this home. <hes> i have a hole hold in canada and i love what candid has given me in. That's a big part of me but there's also that sense of duty that you know if all of us who are or in a place in a capacity to have have facts. Don't come back or leave because it's more safer inconvenience. I think that would plunge this country into deeper holden. It is <hes> so it's it's it's a struggle. It's not something lights or easy either way if i go. It's not easy if i stay. It's not easy so it. It really is is is a challenge. Please stay safe and thank you for talking with me today. I do appreciate you making the time and i'm sorry again for the for the loss of your friends. Thank you peter take you hold on. Ali is a somali canadian nurse practitioner who is friends with the late mayor of mogadishu abdirahman omar osman. We reached her in mogadishu and there's more on this story on our website c._b._c. Dot c._a. Slash a._i._h. Yeah i h <music>. Paul peterson is urging movie goers at his drive in theater peter to put safety first. Mr peterson owns the mustang drive in near bloomfield ontario and last week. We spoke with him after a four month. Old infant was killed by a car at a drive in theater in quebec the cinna park boozer bill on montreal's south shore after that interview one listener called talkback to share the steps. Her local driving takes to try to keep movie goers safe hi. My name is faye williams. I'm calling from show with rhode island. My comment was answered. Dan persona island. We still have a basic drive it and what i find extremely helpful is at the beginning they actually show video saying all the do's and don'ts of the drive in very aries like short and to the point and one of the things that actually shows on video is a vehicle backing up and running over teddy bear and it just kind of next. You really really see how he could happen. Another thing they had is a huge grass area at the front of the driving right in front of the a screen where there's already seats there. There's plenty of room to put up the tent but they have an actual like designated area for anybody wants to enjoy the drive and sitting inside but that video is amazing instead driving owner who's like speaking in it and <hes> it was locally produced and filmed and anyways. I i think that that really goes a long way to really illustrate <hes> safety rules of the drive in six ms williams and thanks to everyone who called and wrote to comment on this story or anything else you here on the program you can find us on twitter and facebook both at c._b._c. as it happens all word. Our email is a._h. At c._b._c. dot c._a. Talk back call four one six two zero five five six eight seven <music>. You may have a taste for scotch whisky. You may even be the type to swish it around in your mouth before announcing you detect notes of leather leather toffee. I dunno hotdogs but no matter how discriminating your palate and artificial tongue might be better. I know that's enough to make you spit that single malt onto your smoking jacket but it's true engineers in scotland developed an artificial tongue with incredible abilities ladies to distinguish one whiskey from another alister. Clark is a lecturer in engineering at the university of glasgow. That's where we reached him. Mr clark first first of all. What does this tongue look like well. It's not a big and fluffy and pink like our thongs. It is comprised of millions liens of tiny little metal taste buds so there are a thousand times smaller than the width of the human hair and they're made of aluminium gold and when you shrink metal time time to that size you take on these really weird optical properties so let me find light up the can shine a color back at us. So what does it look like. It looks like a little patch of for a little green square on a patch of gloss and how does it work so the optical responsibly in other words the color that shined backout is really affected acted by the local surroundings so it gives you one signal win nothing on top of it that when you put a complex mixture on top of it like oh whisky that color you're did it appears shift ever so slightly so we measure that tiny little colored chest to build up a statistical map all the chemical compounds in that liquid record something that quite analogous to the human sensation of taste. You know i'm not a super taster so i just taste things. I don't have precise taste. I suppose how how precise is this device well relatively precise we tested it on three hundred times under different samples and able to identify old at one of those and so when you've done these three hundred samples what kinds of distinctions can it make between different whiskies. Well alec can make distinctions based on age safe. You take same whiskey. That's the age for different lights time. Tell you that it can also tell you if there was keeping age that different from type of a cask shetty casco bourbon castro so it is very good at picking up his tiny minute chemical differences in whiskies who would want us. This kind of device who who are you thinking might have used for this well to two things really <hes> one is a eh huge counterfeit market in counterfeit whiskey <hes> and so the ability to be able to tell whether something is real l. whiskey. That's come from scotland or ireland on something that has been manufactured elsewhere not passed off as the real thing valuable thing to be able to do but also maybe more mundane tasks like just monitoring the quality or the taste of beverages on a production line. It doesn't necessarily have to whiskey. It could be anything where you might want to make take a measurement identification of complex chemical mixture so other liquids beverages. You could train it to luther poisons. You could train it to luke four of contaminants tablets and a water supply for instance a river. Maybe something's happening obscenely commercial and so of all the liquids in the world. Why did you who works works at the university of glasgow side whiskey. Yes maybe a rhetorical question. Jessie sold the inviolate of whiskey for the liberal but it just seemed like we you know we we because we from scotland to where where the where the counterfeit whiskey is thing thing when we're looking to test this tongue so what what better way to test to excuse how sizable is the fake whisky market as as far as i'm aware that hundreds of millions of british pounds per year so relatively large and it's a mixture of things it's a mixture of high value inch ancient whiskeys which auction for tens of thousands of pounds per bothell and often turn out to be fake unfortunately more mundane things like regular twenty dollars bottles of whisky that are entering international markets the asian markets in particular that are being passed off as a scotch whisky taught the remanufactured elsia fiqh label flopped on now. There's some skepticism out there of your artificial tongue when it comes to whiskey tasting charles mclean who is one of the top whiskey tasters in the world said this to c._n._n. He said flavor assessment in the whiskey. Industry is done by smell taste and and texture of all the senses employed smell is the most important whisky blenders and quality assessors relied entirely on smell. Our sense taste is crude in comparison to that. You say what i would say that we've chosen to call it the tongue but what was actually doing. It's it's making measurements of the chemical mixture liquid. It's exactly the same way that your nose washer. News is taking in particular of the liquid a making the faith mortgage speaking assessment like the chemical composition of that. You may not know that happening but that's the same sensation so smell and taste the federally particularly when you're trying to make artificial versions often also i would say that you know this is not a replacement for people that are super tasters that work in the whiskey industry industry the benefits industry this is just another to that people can use in order to monitor the quality of liquids. This is the kind of devices can fit my pocket and take to you know power bar if i order a whiskey deceive. I'm getting the real deal at the moment. Nobody's approved to tighten sites is rather large microscope but there's no reason light can be made much much smaller to get to the point where you could do that. Yes mr mr clark. Thank you thank you bye-bye alister. Clark is a lecturer in engineering at the university of glasgow in scotland <music> and the captain into neil with muskrat love the romantic tale of muskrat susie suzy and muskrats sam who court adorable and then i guess have sex i mean how are we supposed to understand the lyrics now. He's tickling her fancy. Rubbing her toes muzzle to muzzle now. Anything goes as they wriggle look. There's a good reason that that's the only hit song about cute animals getting busy i because it is really weird but second because animal mating isn't really the stuff of soft rock ballads. It is intense hedgehogs for example. They're only twenty five centimeters long on average but their mating procedure requires an area of forty square meters germans have a word for this ego carousel hedgehog carousel big word right now germany as is the word eagles sex which means hedgehog sex. That's because hedgehogs all over the country are disrupting people's sleep with their sensual screeching according to the guardian they make sounds sounds ranging from quote quiet sniffling to hissing snarling purring whistling clicking and even loud screaming on quote. Maybe the racket is because of the prequels but apparently they're snarling. Screaming sounds like people so every year around this time all over germany the the police are called about a sexy disturbance only to find hedgehogs instead of humans and since urban hedgehog populations are declining experts are asking people not to do anything to mess with the creatures cacophonous quite either put in some earplugs or watch them in respectful silence and if the last sleep makes makes you feel prickly well imagine how they feel. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard monday friday on c._b._c. radio one and on sirius x._m. 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