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The Marty Smith's America podcast is presented by T, so official watch of the NBA shop at US not T so shop dot com. Welcome to the martyr swissamerica podcast, all you, five and icon legend in the sports broadcasting arena on the program this week. And I'm thrilled and humbled that he took the time to do it Brent Musburger who, like me is the sports soundtrack of many of those of you listening, your life and certainly your youth. I can remember sitting on the couch with my daddy as young man as a boy, sitting there with dad, and watching the NFL today on CBS with Musburger, and Jimmy the Greek and Irv cross and all of those folks and back then there weren't all of the channels in, in from which to gain your sporting knowledge. Whether that's news highlights whatnot new stories and back then there was. Just that show. And there was no sportscenter yet. And there was no ESPN yet, and all those things it didn't it didn't exist in his certainly social media. And so those guys just became we welcome them into our homes. They became almost family members with what they gave us from an entertainment, and news perspective. And I have been in the last couple of weeks. Binge watching sports history, documentaries, thirty for thirty s and a football life on NFL network. I really liked those a lot rewatch the cinema movie which if you guys haven't seen it, please go find it, it might be the greatest movie I've ever seen. And you know we just a couple of weeks ago on here talked about that. Hurley Haywood movie with Patrick Dempsey, all those things. I've been watching them a lot and I just don't watch live TV anymore. I don't know why I just don't I would rather sit down and read a book or certainly spent time with my. Children outside, then I would to sit in front of the television. But when I am really immersing myself in history, and the icons of yesteryear that really shaped my life, and that kind of storytelling in any way, as watch these movies, I've noticed that Brent Musburger is in damn near every one of them, whether it was calling Lakers, Celtics or sitting alongside, you know, as I stated Irv cross, and Jimmy the Greek and those folks on NFL today man, he was there for most of them. And I'll tell you I will never forget standing on the hill above the backstretch at New Hampshire international raceway in two thousand seven and I'm standing there nervous, as all nervous as hail. I, I was so nervous because I was actually on the pre race. The NASCAR countdown pre race program to report some news story, or give insight into some news story that was breaking in the sport of the time. And at that time bridge. Rent was the host of our NASCAR countdown show. And so I'm staying on this hill with this camera in my face. My heart is beating out of my chest. Because Brent Musburger is about the toss it to me on live, national television. And I could not believe that Brent Musburger was about the talk to me on TV and I remember talking to my daddy after. And he could not believe that Brent Musburger actually said my name said it on TV pretty damn cool. And just that guy if it was an important sporting moment since nineteen seventy five he probably called it, other than, of course, the miracle on ice, which was Al Michaels, and we all know, we've heard that the you believe in miracles a trillion times in our lives. But man, Brent was the voice, he was the soundtrack of so many of those iconic moments so to get to spend this time with him, was very, very special for me. And you're gonna. Learn a lot about his path. I certainly did. But before we get to Brent, I want to just discuss hiring with you guys because hiring can be really challenging, but there's one place you can go where hiring is not challenging. 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Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire very few minds or smarter about the history of sport than Brent Musburger. Why because Brent lived it and man, it was so cool, spent thirty thirty five minutes with him here is my conversation on the Marty Smith's America podcast with legendary sports broadcaster, Brent Musburger. Man. It's such a pleasure to welcome to the Marty Smith's America podcast, a legend among legends in the sports broadcasting realm, Brent Musburger, who, if it's been a huge moment in sports in the last thirty five or forty years, even man, he was he was either there or he called it. And so it's just amazing to, to spend this time with you, sir. And I always like to discuss what people helped you and were influential in your journey. And you've had such an amazing journey who were a couple of those people that were real spearheads that believed in you, in a neighborhood, you to have that career, you know, more luck and timing played an incredible of role in my in my journey, when I was a newspaper man in Chicago, the CBS radio station, a transfer from all talk. Over to who's an information and the sports cast or at the time fellow of the name of Rick Weaver was very uncomfortable doing the two minute news updates and he wanted badly to return to play by play and talk radio. So he caught on as the voice of the Miami Dolphins when the NFL expanded down to Miami, and the radio station of general manager about Bill O Donnell at hurt me, simply as a guest of Hugh times. He called me over. I was a columnist at the time that this was American and he, he offered me a job, which paid me considerably more than I was making the newspaper and I had a family started at the time, and I wanted to buy a house, suburban Chicago. So I told him. Yes, I think I could do that. But I opened whose paper at least Bizet, and I went over to the managing editor, and he couldn't believe that I was willing to give up a newspaper column to return and become a radio broadcaster full-time. And when he didn't offer me a dime more. I said, look, it's been great. I've enjoyed it. Thank you very much, but I'm going to radio. So I made the transition over the radio and about the same time the news blocks on the stations the local stations start to expand because there was no ESPN. There was no cable. There was no place to go for the sports information, especially locally. So the TV station was located the same radio and they asked me, who kinda commentary of for us. We we'd like to see and, and we'd like to think about using you as a commentator. And so I being a newspaper man, I do that. Well controversy more her hair. So I taped about a minute and a half as I recalled a commentary suggesting that the Chicago Blackhawks Detroit either Bobby Hall, or stand Akita and around that on a Sunday evening, and it broke the all time negative phone list, down below at the television station. So that first part of the week the general man. Major call you want to be full time because because of the response, he got out of it, and I said, listen, I'm not going to suggest that the cubs trade, either Arnie banks around Santo, or go from there. So the mindful that that was a one time, only Bobby homes, damaged heathen. I laughed about it for years to come. They went on to win the Stanley Cup together. And obviously, the Blackhawks didn't trade either one even though Bobby later wound up playing for the Winnipeg Jets in the in the rival Hockey League that, that started up. But when I was with the television station, fulltime general manager by the name of Bob Wessler was moved by CVS to New York to head up the sports division. And that's when Bob decided that we needed a live pregame show, which led to the NFL today. So all of those stops along the line, but I'm already a lot of a lot of young people asked me, you know, how, how do I become a sports catch? What do I do? And going hard for me because I was in the right place at the right time. And I attribute any. Great intellect. I just think that I was very very fortunate. When I got the opportunities along the way, I knew that I had this opportunity and I made the most of it during the time. So it's very difficult. When I started out there, we're not a lot of sports catchers. Like I said earlier, that was no ESPN. There were none of the cable outlets, and so you really relied on the local television stations, but it's been a it's been a wonderful journey as it began. I fell under the influence of, of people like Harry Carey not always good, because Harry, and I would drink tonight at the night away, sometimes, but, but he was one of the great characters that I was around been Scully. I was fortunate enough to work with him, dick Enberg o- on the way all these guys that I knew. And it was a great era, to, to be sportscaster, growing up. And that's just a long way of saying, a whole lot of people entered into this, and I was very fortuitous and. I loved I loved every minute of it. I can relate. I'm very similar story. I'm a newspaper man as well. Studied print journalism in college was a newspaper writer out of college. And then this new thing happened called the internet. And I became a writer on an internet site and on and on. And then out of nowhere ESPN called one day, people believed in me and believed in my passion and my pro-choice, and I've been so blessed by that. So I have I can relate to what you're saying. Now, I want to go back to Harry Carey just a minute. What the hell is it like drinking beers with Harry that must be the greatest time a man can have? You got that, right. Marlena for like never had to pay for it. Every was really extremely generous and keeps loved me the up at that time because I was doing the ten o'clock Ripley central time zone. And so the news block would come up at ten o'clock in New York, of course east coast. The local news comes on eleven but it was ten o'clock in Chicago and the lights at the time. So his games were. And so he would he had a place called Tommy O'Leary's that I would walk down to, and he would drop by a he was already holding court. Harry Carey restaurant had not yet started up. So he used liberties basically as a base. And, and it was it was wonderful to watch. I learned a great lesson from Harrier that is when a person comes up to you in a in a setting like that designed, I graph you talked to he would he would stand there at the bar and sign. In every napkin and every Cup program. People in the world was hanging out, and then they would leave him alone and other announcers, and how I and we shared anecdotes, and I just love sitting there and listening to attack. Harry Carey, I, I, I will never, I will never forget the evening, somehow we got on the more of a topic of passing away airy set to the group. Now listen now, listen. Don't you any of you any of you ever allow them to cremate me because all burn for fifty years? And of course after laughs and always other around it was it was awesome to be around, Harry, he, he actually tried that hire me to come into his, his relief announcer with the cubs at WGN to work middle two or three innings, I own ously. I hesitated before. I. No may cave me a few nights sleepless nights one of the great characters of all time. And in that particular era baseball announcers, where the top of the sports announcing food chain, that's no longer the, the situation television, especially football has replaced baseball as the as the number one, go to sport for majority of the American population. But back in that day when I started out baseball was number one in Harry Carey was clearly the king in Chicago. Why did you say no? You know, I know I'm not quite I think I loved. I loved CBS. Was don't give about CBS at the time of the NFL today had started up urban and Phillips, and Jimmy the Greek were were great friends online. So I just thought no let me stick with what I'm doing. They've given me this great opportunity, and, and I did I had long meetings with the. There were a couple of times when I almost left CVS, the other one was ruined Arledge came and wanted to hire me one so the Howard goes so role on Monday night football. And that again lead simply plus nights on my part. I came I came very close. A ruined probably would have said yes to the ABC offer knowing how controversial I was about to become if I stepped into that because I knew what wanted we talked about it for a long, long time. Frank Gifford was the play by play man. And they, they wanted a little more vinegar to go in there with the all time good guy Frank, and then they would have had an athlete. I don't know that was at the time would have been would've back to the three-man booths. And now Rune flew off to an affiliate meeting in Hawaii. When I called back and I would I was all prepared to tell him. Yes. And then I couldn't reach you in airplane. It by the time he arrived over a hollow. I had a change of heart and decided to, to stay at CBS at no time in either of those that I go back and ask for more money or try to negotiate, they were both. Great offers and I gave them both serious, serious consideration. Wow. Isn't that amazing having earlier your path might have been completely different to Lutely? Absolutely you. You've noted the NFL today a couple of times and, and as a little, little guy, a little Tyke. I can remember watching it with my daddy, every Sunday. And he was it's this titan. It's this institution. That is in terms of sports broadcasting. It was the it was the example by which all that became the NFL pregame shows was founded. So it had to have changed your life dramatically. How did it change? Oh, absolutely. Well, first of all. It made me it made me completely. I mean, you know, first of all you came in with the last name Musburger, I didn't change it back in back in my day. A lot of announcers on television, actually changed their last name. For example, Jim McKay was actually Jimmy McManus. And he had already changed his last name. So there was this unusual last name along or last name then broadcast personalities used, and it became known strictly through the NFL today. I was simply an unknown commodity out of the city of Chicago. And so the, the NFL today is responsible for, for every bit of my career. Once I moved to the network level in New York. I mean that's the show that gave me a presence and, and then people knew who I was because of the NFL today, and it was as you say, it's at the standard because we were I and it was Bob west sorts. To go live and have live halftime and post game shows at the time because and then particular time Pete Roselle Commissioner with I was already very, very friendly, with, because he'd been a PR man with the Los Angeles Rams and everything back in the day before he became Commissioner back in that day, the NFL, made sure that the networks works really profitable of regarding their coverage on Sunday, especially CBS. That's how Roselle cut the contract with the with the networks after the prices soared for the individual franchises in the NFL that change completely the, the team owners wanted to milk, every dollar. They could out of television simply because of their costs. So the networks had to move at a different direction to get back what they were paying for this great programming. And so they expanded. Yeah. Fell today was a half hour Sunday as you know. And now I think goodness say they won't upwards of two hours because. They need that commercial revenue to, to pay for what they what they're paying the National Football League. ESPN obviously doesn't have Sunday games, but they have an extensive pre-game show because they need that revenue to, to pay the league what they owe for their rights to to Monday night football. So became more of a money game after that. I I've always thought that we had an advantage only going thirty minutes, let the problems which the Greek and Phillips, because both wanted airtime during the thirty minutes, but you could be, I think more suspect, you could you could offer stories of people were interested in a rather than just sorta droning on and on. Which is sometimes the case, because you don't have that much to go on with the games having not started yet on a Sunday. When you run the long long pregame shows, but it strictly related to money and, and nothing else what change. But during the, the NFL today it was the Grossberg. For the for the National Football League. That's what they, they took over clearly is number one when it came to the hearts and minds of the American sports fan for us. It was great being a part of it. And having this show go live, and I loved loved every minute of the of the NFL today. When CBS fired me nineteen ninety that particular full, I'll never forget the first out of the rancid, Montana. I couldn't even turn on the television set. I just walked kind of round out in the fields and went out and made friends with a couple of horses out there and talk to them. It was such a withdrawal for me, because I missed I missed the action on that on that for Sunday. Probably probably I'm not an unhappy person. I've, I've an optimistic person that was probably the toughest day of my broadcast life was not being on the air, and that fall of nineteen ninety. On that opening Sunday of the national football because I loved, I loved every money every even even the controversy that erupted, which omitted rake and, and things like that. I loved every minute of the NFL today, it was it was great. Yeah. Whatever I was able to accomplish broadcast, and it's a result of the NFL. I don't think it's any question about that. You noted that your surname suddenly becomes one of the most recognizable in entertainment. And so you got famous. I mean you there wasn't Twitter there wasn't the internet? There weren't all of these countless myriad outlets to consume sports news or entertainment, there was you guys. So I you guys became really famous. How'd you manage fame money? It's kind of interesting. I never let it affect me one way or the other. I think sometimes we go out to dinner and my wife was bothered more than me, people would come up and. Trude at the table. And, and so I guess, I guess the most valuable lesson that I took from those days with Harry Carey is that when you're out in a in a public situation, you, you belong to the public because that's who made you what you are responsible for, for whatever riches and fame that you have. And so that you, you owe to be nice back to the public. And if you and if you wanna scape that you simply go home and read a book or talk to the family, and voided, I, always, I always had that I, I knew when I could be real real private. It's just go home to Arlene. And I I was very fortunate. You know, we've been married now fifty seven years ahead, the two boys and always had nice homes for two and always enjoyed. So I knew I knew how to find my privacy. But when I would go out public restaurant or wherever airports, whatever. Nobody wanted to come up until I knew that everybody I knew that Akron had their own team. And they had their own and about sports. It's a point. And, and I was always kind of interesting, what people had to say because I knew that they also knew more entertaining than I did. I didn't know as much about all the teams as, as they did about their individual team. I knew a little bit about every team, but I always I always kinda kept my ears open as I traveled through this and, and I learned a lot. I learned a lot from the folks out there, but I never you know, I wasn't why I got into the business to become famous. I love sports. I was not a good enough athlete. I would have preferred to a played, I would have preferred a major league baseball player, but I was never never going to be that good at any particular sport. But I always knew even when I was six years old. Rounded, because I enjoyed the rhythm of it, I enjoyed the competency, the now I love to in my spare time as I have done the last couple of weeks. I love the National Hockey League playoffs in the NBA playoffs. And I watch I watch every night and marvel at the at the athlete's ability that's out there. And, you know the Indianapolis five hundred is is coming up. I've been interested in how they're pushing and I'll be watching the race on on Sunday and seeing how they do. So if it's if it's competition, I just enjoy it. That's, that's the rhythm of my life, who is your favorite athlete to cover whom you got to know personally. Well, it became characters after a while probably the most important to me was probably Mohammed Ali simply because where the radio station I. One thing that I had done for them as a newspaper and I had gone down and gotten more those interviews with Mohammed all eight. Now, an interview Muhammed all the back in the day was basically asked a question and get out of the way he would take it from there. He was he was the ultimate show. When are we go down to his house on the south side of Chicago? He had converted. He had become a Muslim at the time and you would go into his house, I knew the bodyguards would be in there. I knew they would be standing at the end of the whole their suit, jackets covering up. They were both packing every day, but then they would let you go in, because Muhammad view from being on the air, and in Chicago, and he loved to entertain. So he was certainly he was an important car and in my success because of the interviews that I would get from just showing up for the tape recorder land with a camera down probably the fellow that I. Really got to enjoy how go, thanks because he too was such a an easy interview. I love this optimism. I loved his smile, the people in Chicago loved him. The manager of this time was how Lopez, and he was such a gentleman. And when I traveled with them, he taught me basically all about baseball, he'd been a hall of fame catcher in his playing day before it could get managed or the Cleveland Indians, Chicago White Sox. Those people were were important to me, because of their availability, whenever I needed an interview, but there were so many and then, and then later, I developed a very close relationship with Pete Rose sort of an unusual way because he had come in as a player, he was an expert during the World Series and the NFL today. And the next week should be the Greek was taken ill and we all knew that P like to take a position of football drawn games. And we've. Brought him in it handicap games, and even now, clause Vegas. When I run into Pete after one of his autograph sessions, you remind me that it was a better handicap than than Jimmy the Greek. So, so it goes it goes on. And on my day, the one difference and is that we were much closer to the athletes that than the BDO folks are today after a baseball game. For example, I might go out drinking with a young. Dave. The butcher was a rookie pitcher with the Chicago White Sox. But we wouldn't know more about of writing about divorce are having maybe one, too many beer, and then getting back peers and they're getting back to the hotel room because it wasn't due to start pitching for another couple of days. Those things we, we were friends have relates back in the day. Yes. Sometimes we have to criticize them, but, but dick young the new York Daily News talk me that when you criticize an athlete, the one thing that you must do if show up the next day you. Walk in there and you give him a chance to disagree with you. And I learned that lesson and whenever I criticize an athlete, I was always there. You wanna talk to come on, and we had, we had a much better relationship than than the media does today. You know if an athlete went into a bar in my time, there was no cell phone picture of him. Nobody was going to send out over Twitter. It's a lack of privacy for, for an athlete today. I'm sure it has made it very, very tough on on some of these fellows. So it was an entirely different time. What impact does the loosening of sports gambling, and it becoming more accepted have on Pete Rose's opportunity to be a hall of Famer Brent? You know, mardi it's, it's a very good question, given it I've given a lot thought. The, the problem the problem with me is that I've thought all wound problem in my point of view is that I have. Felt all pretty blooms in the hall of fame and I have said at the bottom of the plaque it should say that he was suspended in whatever year for gambling on baseball. I don't think I don't think we should ignore this. I think is a vital part of the of the narrative about the game and, and certainly about about Pete Rose it, obviously down the road has has to help him in some regard. There's going to be some powerbroker who's going to agree not agree with me, but he's gonna come to the same conclusion that this guy belongs. But we should not ignore. What happened to him in the end? And so, I think it will come to pass due. I think it is close. I don't get as close at all. But I think it will happen someday. There's another fellow who, who certainly belongs in the hall of fame also in my mind, and that's Barry Bonds. I was around I was around Perry's father, Bobby bonds, quite a bit, and Bobby wound up having problems with alcohol. And so then he had to go to rehab took the cure came back and was clean and was able to go on with his career and his son before he got into whatever anabolic steroids. He he was involved with was a tremendous athlete for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Everybody remembers berry with the San Francisco forty Niners as well. They should. Because that's what the homerun prowess came to the forefront. But it it's hard to know more now. Whether or not we have an entire wing in the hall of fame, or the you people tend to forget that what Mark McGwire and Sammy, Sosa with that one year helped bring baseball back and both probably. Yeah. Yes. Baseball back with that great home run. Chase that they had. So, so all of those are controversies that will let the baseball people sort out, but beyond a shadow of a doubt Pete Rose belongs in the hall of fame. Let's stay on that topic because it's what you do now out in Vegas. Of course, you do such a great job out there with, with the program, you guys do focusing on betting, and making sure people are making the right bits and, and taking care of their paper. What do you think is the greater broader stroke impact? Brent of people accepting sports gambling more readily today, you know. It's hard to put your arms around one reason, mardi, first of all, I think there has to be a concern and care. I have said, all, even though I'm in favor of legalizing it because when it was illegal people were doing it anyway. And so, I believe that it should be carefully watched but not everybody should jump into it. And I hope that youngsters don't think it's easy because it's not in a game. I football for example, is a Greek always told me the football is not rounds and they get those crazy bounces things like that. I'll be asleep a gambling in particular had had a huge part in the in the rise of the National Football League point spreads. That was a stroke of genius by the bookmakers, who came up with that. Because if you were just picking winners on sided. But when you add, the element of the of the points British like that element of weights to jockey over twice. It's it's a lot. It's something that I've always been interested in, if fascinates me, I don't how difficult it is to win on a on a regular basis it fuels and I in the games, I think white now the media, the media has jumped on it because it was a forbidden fruit. And suddenly, it's legal and I think I think. Going to become more like Europe. It's there, but you don't pay that much attention to it to be perfectly honest, when you go over last year, for example, I was in London with the with raider for football game. So I made it a point to go into the various bet shops. I haven't been in London as often as I was I do that. That's basically every street corner. You've got two or three of the competing bet shops, and quiet there. There's certainly not as laborat- as, as our sports, which are the United States and. You know, people are not thinking about the Premier League in terms of gambling twenty four seven and I think it'll settle into that rhythm of the United States and just become part of it. If you wanna if you wanna take a position on the Toronto Raptors in the Milwaukee Bucks when they go back up to Toronto. Raptors looking to close it out and they will be slight favorite in that game. If you want the money line, or you want to give the more it's going yet, but you can sit there and enjoy that game without having without having wage around to. I mean, that's when we will see what kind of a rhythm, it's settles into over people in particular years Gulf, they like to bed during the turn amount as it's unfolding. They'll see particular player that they want that on, or they want to bet against someone in the United States, people are opinionated before this team is going to win. So hey, I I'm not quite. Sure that in came wagering is going, go to the extent that it has over in Europe. There's a lot of time or in a soccer match of the Premier League when you can make different wager. When you're watching in particular a basketball game, it's very hard Tibet in game because things move so quickly and fast now during that period, the bookmakers don't have as much time either. So somebody wish are about numbers and has an idea can can move quickly and, and make a bet. But I, I'd like to repeat, it's not it's not for everybody, not every youngster should think that he can retire because sports better, and I don't think you have to bet to enjoy, by the way. But I do think that because it exists, and because so much money has been involved that we need to have it legalized, and, and we need to watch over politics, the problem with the politicians as they want the tax revenue. And if you look at the books out of Nevada, it doesn't generate nearly as much revenue for the state as say slot machines. That's the that's the profits when or the in the state of Nevada, if a book makes four or five percent, and it given months. That's very, very good month. And I think the politicians have an idea that you make twenty thirty percent of these sports bets, and you do not. So I think it's going to become part of the American culture, I think it'll settle down right now. Everybody's making a big deal out of it. I know that your boss's ESPN bills studio, I think Bleacher report is putting one up. And of course, the heart of it in the United States will always remain to be Las Vegas. For more prominent bookmakers are and it's a lead up to a Super Bowl. I always thought that one of the things that public wants to don't who's favored and by how many points, but that doesn't mean that everybody's going to bet that they're just interested in it as a as a point of. Reference. And that's what I always thought was a huge part of the of the sports gambling business. Cover more things my man and I'll get you out of here. You were talking about horse racing jockeys a moment ago, and I have never experienced anything in my career like standing on the race track at Churchill Downs a couple of weeks ago when that when that seven came off the tote board, and everything shifted, when the stewards, disqualified maximum security from the Kentucky Derby. I can't imagine what it must have been like in Vegas. What was the findings impact of that decision in Las Vegas, Nevada? Matia. It was. It was crazy. I thought when national security, I came down. Everybody was kind of stoned to tell you, the truth that I you know, normally like you have in March madness and there's a buzzer beater, somebody knocks down when you basket the, the room explodes that didn't happen with this. There was kind of there was kind of quiet. The, the horse player the daily horse player in Las Vegas. The majority never expected him to come down. Okay. But they felt that was because it was the Kentucky Derby, that they would leave him up, Ed and that seemed to be the opinion. I mean it went on for more than twenty minutes that seemed to be the opinion. There was not a lot of shouting and yelling. They were just waiting for it to become official, of course, more gutters, who have maximum security in, in the particular race. I've seen all the different angles as, as you have sent men. You know I, I find myself I find myself a green now with the stewards. However, I wish that they had a rule that they use an English source racy. I would not have dropped him all the way down to whatever wound up being sixty seventy play after the one of the horses interfered with it faded way back. I would have placed him no worse than third in that particular race, which they can do in England. I don't think under any circumstances. He would have faded out of the money. Yes, yes, it was a dangerous situation. World will believe it was first impact that, as he came out, you know, in the one angle, he did move out two or three lanes. But I but think it was it was more shock than maximum security came down than anything else to standing there real time on the track waiting and waiting and waiting and then. When that when that seven came off the board it, there was a noticeable. Audible gasp, that washed across the hundred sixty thousand people there. And I was looking at my producer, and she was looking at me, and we were like what in the hill just happened? And then the booze started to rain, down well, along with the rain and the mode, and it was just a it was chaos at that point, it was unlike anything I've ever covered. Speaking of great amazing moments that we've covered I would love to know. And I'll let you go after this, this'll be a hard one for you Brent. What is the greatest game you ever called? You know, Marty. I have never I can't decide that. I've been around too many. I've been around too many games. You know, there's a there's a song it includes allies country and western song, which I love to listen to out here, Montana that yesterday is dead and gone. So what I'm hopeful of is that when the Oakland Raiders play the Denver Broncos on that first Monday night game on ESPN radio, the raiders at that becomes the greatest NFL game that I've ever covered. Because I always concerned myself the most about tomorrow, because that's the only I could control. And I've been around so many great games in the past the two that I think that have appeared on television, the most so I'll give you the two that I get asked about the most. One, the famous hail Flutie, Doug Flutie in Boston College rallying against Miami. College football and the other was triple overtime in the NBA on a Friday night in Boston between the Phoenix Suns. The Boston Celtics game five of the finals, one by the by the Celtics and the three overtimes I get asked about that because they replayed the most. So I guess I would go back to those two simply because I get I get asked the most questions. I'll. Give you a close with anecdote about Flutie, because, as a result of that, of course, we became great friends because we've done so many shows together about the end of that football game. But. As it unfolded. In following the penalty and Doug pulled out to throw the final hail Mary pass into the end zone which was which was caught. I didn't realize I didn't know I couldn't tell who'd caught the football but I was fortunate enough to have a graduate of Boston College, and the truck his name was Kevin O'Malley. He was an executive at CBS. He knew a lot about broadcasting. And he reached over the producers shoulder, he pulled the talkback. He back and said Brent, it's falen Gerard falen to which if you listen to that, I don't believe it going on. And then maybe after a little time lapse. I throw in the name so Doug and I are doing a anniversary special on the play. And I tell him the anecdote that I just told you and he says to me Br. I tell you the truth. I didn't know who caught it. I said, come on, we should know. He said we after we collapsed on the field. And everybody's hugging, and we run off the Orange Bowl up into the tunnel. I've got the center, right next to me, and I said, who caught the ball and he goes, Doug? It was your roommate failing. Oh, it just just some of those little things that happened democrat moments in sports. Well, you absolutely are, are one of those soundtracks of my youth, growing up in into my professional career. And I will tell you this, I will leave you with this, one of the great moments of my professional life was two thousand seven. Greener than grass, I've never made television before in my life and I'm at Daytona. I'm in Daytona Beach, Florida and get on the elevator in hotel in Daytona Beach, Florida. And I'm scared as hail. And I don't know what I'm doing and into the elevator walks, Brent Musburger, and I'm on this elevator with this icon, and I'll know to say Hello. Did you shut up to show? Reverence detail me per sheet them, what are you, so I just kind of nodded my head and said, Hello, sir. My name's Marty Smith. I'm one of these reporters over here for ESPN and you whether you minute or whether it was true or not, man, you go. Oh, yeah. Martin. I know your work appreciate you work of read a lot of what you've done and the door opens. And I'm like, I'm in shock and you exit the elevator. And the first thing I did this was about a year before my daddy died. The first thing I did was I. Got off that elevator and I call my daddy and I said, man, you're not going to believe this Brent Musburger might have been lying to me. But I think he might know who I am. Daddy thought that was the coolest thing of all time. And I still do. So thank you. I know we were drudge brave Marty. I know who you were. I still follow you guys at ESPN. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. And I appreciate it so much. And I know you're busy on. You've got a big day coming up here. So thank you so much. God bless you. And we appreciate your time and insight, sir. Thank you. Thanks a lot Martin. My man we'll talk to you down the road. You take care of Asir. Keep up the good work. Man. What a storyteller. I love it. Thanks so much to Brent. Forgiving me so much of his time, and thanks to ZipRecruiter. The reason you guys got to hear that is because of ZipRecruiter that interview was brought to you guys by ZipRecruiter dot com. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. I love what he just said there to close the interview about Doug Flutie Travis because you talk about iconic moments in college football history, something you and me or as passionate about as anybody on this planet is iconic college football moments. And he called the Doug Flutie hail Mary in the Orange Bowl against the Miami hurricanes. See, I knew that one that I knew that was going to be what he picked, because it's so iconic and it never gets old to here. I was hoping that he'd pick a couple of other games that I was slightly a little bias, too, because he's, you know, for me, he's the voice that I always hurt because he's always calling the highest state games and to stick out for me. One is. Versus purdue. Holy buckeye. And then when a highest beat the team up north that same year. His words were, let's party Columbus, when they punch their ticket to go national championship game. Those two those are two. I remember where I was for both of those games. I mean it's crazy. What I think about is course you weren't born yet, I think about being eight nine years old, and that just nasty Celtics Lakers rivalry in the NBA finals that seem to be staged annually in the Boston Garden and the great western forum and Brent Musburger called those things, along with Pat O'Brien was the sideline guy. And I just remember his his presence man, he commanded those moments seemed, so massive as a little boy, in the middle of nowhere Virginia with three channels on television and me. And daddy locked in on those. Games just with bated breath every single thing that was about to happen. You can it's those games of from my youth were so indelible. I mean I can Nate you got magic Karim Kurt Rambus Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Michael Thompson, clay's dead. All those guys are, are in my mind, and that's, that's the Laker side. You know, you got bird, perish Dennis Johnson. Kevin McHale chief Bill Walton. Like I do I can remember it so well so vividly because it was so, so intense and Brent was right in the middle of those things, call those games. And I just just so cool to hear his perspective. And as I said to him there during the interview it just blow blew my mind, a head to call my dad and tell him. That man, I talked to Brit Musburger and daddy. I think that man might know who I am. Maybe. Wow. I've been very blessed with those kinds of moments in that one was special to me, and I appreciate his time. So I think I failed you and we've forgot one question to ask him, which now we just wanted to have to have him back on is where how did he come up with the you're looking live because that's the thing that's list. It's almo list a thought about it, but I wanted to get him out of there as quick as I could after asking them all that other stuff, because that's one of those ones, you know, that that's, that's his saying everybody hopes to have something like that. Like he's got one it's. Four of them, man. And you are looking live is certainly the most recognizable. So thanks. Brent learned a lot. He might be like, I mean, what are we got four or five straight guests? Now that we got to have a second installment. So we'll add him to that list, and we'll ask him about you're looking live now it's time to discuss something about which Travis or if not experts than we are at least well practiced. That's choke and beer. And this is brought to you by Tico T. So is the official watch of the NBA each one of T, so's time pieces delivers quality performance and traditional luxury. This is graduation season guys. So this graduation season. 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So thank you so much to t-, so antipathy cruiser, now let's get chugging be. So mad already. So one thing that I've really enjoyed about the NBA finals is the fact that when they're playing Milwaukee, there's a Chuck and beer contest on the Jumbotron, and it has made the what's that offense of lineman's name Travis David about Yari? It's made him famous. I mean he's made it famous, he's everywhere, all over social media, Instagram, Twitter chugging, these beers, and I will tell you, my man could chug a beer. I mean it's gone right down the pipe man right down. Don't see you. So at game five in Milwaukee of the Eastern Conference finals, this started happening again on the Jumbotron. And so the Landman says naming and Travis David TRE that could be wrong. You David, so David is sitting right, beside Christian yelich? Right. And so, David pounds, down this beer and he looks over yelich yelich, chokes down his beer, and then they look across the court at Aaron Rodgers so Rogers, it's his turn to chug is beer. And Rogers is not impressed with yelich. He says, no, he only had a half a Cup. I'm not impressed by that. So then Rogers he chokes his beer. Well, I don't think the Matthew Stafford the Detroit Lions quarterback was very impressed with that. So they're the restaurant him and his wife and some buddies or whatever they put it on social media of Matthew panel down, his cO bear so that then led Travis in me to this debate that we've had for the last few days about what NFL quarterback would be the champion of Kobe chugging, and I have two on my list that I think will be in the finals. Not think it could be Baker Mayfield versus Josh L. Cleveland Browns against the Buffalo Bills makers bakers are good one to go with I mean, look bakers one hundred ten percent on everything Baker does. And so, I bet you Baker I'll bet Baker could do it. I'll bet he'd be really good at it, but Josh, Josh Josh's big old, boy, I'll bet he could. I'll bet he could erase a beer, real quick to I'm thinking of Josh on this one, I just feel like a little bigger guy. Being up in buffalo now with the bills mafia feel like that's kind of like a prerequisite. I assume that his combine or his special work out with the bills that they're like, listen. We don't care about your forty like what you're Chuck time, because our fans can't have some do just sipping on some Pino. We need a guy that's going to go out there and chug some beers. So that is our homework for you guys this week. Hopefully, some of you guys watch the last waltz your homework from last week this week we want you to send us a note on Twitter machine at Marty Smith. ESPN at Travis rock. Hold send us a note of why your quarterback will whoever your favorite team is why your quarterback should be in contention should be considered as the greatest beer, chugging among NFL signal. Did you see Aaron Rodgers as tweet afterwards? So he sent it to the bacteria, and he said, make it scotch next time. Oh, so he's gonna make him making some excuses. Also trying to say I'm a classy drinker here. I need, you know. Scott. Listen Aaron lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Green Bay, Wisconsin. They don't drink scotch. His diet should consumes bear town, beer cheese, Kurds. Yeah. So I think he should what he should do is, is look, the guy is in my opinion I think he's the best player in football. He blows my mind, man. The throws he makes the comebacks you know he's captain comeback. And so he is really, really good. If a ball he needs to up his game with a co bear in his hand. I Philip rivers might be a sneaky, just fear guy. He's a sneaky. Oh country. Boy, I bet he could pan onto like he wears a bolo. You can't wear a bolo without being able to chug beer. Does he wear a bolo? He always wears a bolo. He loves Bolos so that, that's awesome. Yeah. Loves his Bolos Richard petty wears a bolo should I start, incorporating a bolo into my repertoire, I don't know. It maybe depends on what the event, you're at all. Those both those are pretty. Do I think I will want an eighth grade basketball, Mr. McGraw coach girl, used to make us in eighth grade basketball, we had to wear our nicest clothes to school on game days, and we grew up in Paris Berkman? It's a bunch of country. Kids. We didn't have the nicest clothes, and I remember one day I laid out my clothes before I went to school. And I had like some navy pants like, you know, navy pleaded khaki pants whatever I had a purple shirt. Lavender shirt, I had some kind of paisley tie that was purple and green and blue and I thought it tied everything together, I was wrong. So I put away the tie and I went with the bolo so we did you have when I was like your dad's tie. It was my, you had a bolo tie that age. I think all of us I feel like it was a thing for the Spartan eighth. Grade basketball team back in one thousand nine hundred nine was this at the same time of your cornucopia bad decisions? Same era. So you're. Cornucopia bad decisions, plus a bolo. I, I assume you didn't have a girlfriend pretty solid. I had all kinds of girlfriends. What are you talking about? Man. I see let me think if I think about my girlfriend, I didn't have a girlfriend in eighth grade. No. I did not. I had no girlfriend. I wonder what the reason was in seventh grade. I'm pretty sure seventh grade. Seventh grade my little girlfriend will share Rackliff. She was a cheerleader on a Peirce Berg lines and I was a play for the pairs Berg lines. Pop more football team. And I don't know. I don't remember share let me hold her hand or not with the cornucopia of bad decisions. Probably not. I can't imagine the cornucopia, plus the Bulla was really attracting too many of them. But many thing about the cornucopia of bad decisions coupled with the lavender shirt and navy pants and probably I had on some old like cons. I probably, you know what I put up a thing, the other day, I'll put up a tweet the other day. I don't know what made me think of it, but I just got to thinking about my shoes when I was a kid and I had to Walter Payton kangaroos, I had to Walter pain kangaroos that were navy orange and white. They were the sweetness ruse, and they had a tongue pocket where you can put your milk money, and I probably had those on along with my navy pants, and my lavender shirt and my turquoise bolo tie. Now, this thing was sweet may, and it had like a turquoise, Jim thing in the middle and some silver on it back, end the Dicky's to be wearing to the Ronnie. Dunn. Be wearing that thing out to the show. Is this back when you were in Dickie's to oh, for sure? Oh yeah, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We whatever reason when we were throwing. Hey, we decided it was a good idea. Not to wear shirts. I am. I am you know what I call being ginger? Right. I call it. Ginger vitus. I'm here. I am. I got this ginger Vitus and you just burn to a crisp. And then you turn white, again it just doesn't make like I don't know what I was trying to prove man. I don't even know what to say. Yeah, I'm glad I left you speechless. All right. That means we meet on that amazing bit of idiocy was story time with and Travis brought to you about thi so t so the official watch of the NBA shop at US dot T, so shop dot com. And before you close it out for its mardi. I've been getting some good request on itunes. But people keeps in reviews in review, you can put who you want me to go after there's already people that I've noticed on the reviews and I'm going after so continue to subscriber in review, and leave names of who we should have on this podcast. Yeah. Man. 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