Racism at the school gate and education reclaimed (Part 2)
This is an ABC podcast. Aikido got You Butterfly Net Enhancement. Gravity Heaven and what she step. We're right next to the Bank of Torrens River on Ghani country in the heart of Adelaide plays. Don't fall in the torrents. Those of you that are not South. Straighten off a good ribbon polling today on the white out feeling very sorry. Try and start wipers water Do into the podcast of last week. Show if you've arrived at the dorms late because we're on camp here on science friction and it's going well. Everyone's getting on. This is the C. Syros Aboriginal Summa School for Excellence in technology and science and I'm living in with the nearly forty indigenous students from across the strategy here from Perth to the Torres Strait. They've come from far and wide and it's great to have you with us to on the Tesha Mitchell. You've caught an enormous something or dragonfly. It's huge thing. It was just innocent. Thought Maybe we could Kate Me Swan and then if we get any more or less just Alana line Patched candidate the University of Adelaide so working on parasitic wasps. My mission is to teach a bit more of an appreciation awareness of what's around which these kids have embraced wholeheartedly fishnet Connor Looking. It's camouflaged really. Yeah so as part of ABC's walking together. I'm bringing you powerful personal stories from three generations of indigenous. Australians today on racism in classrooms on triumphantly pushing past the low expectations others can have foyer and are knowing who you Would Hi this is a Science Camp Theresa? Let's get some of that good stuff at by the reba without insect. Nate's I love it because when I was little I used to do this in the backyard. I'll just for the fun of it. Like we did. Ones and lacked playful the bugs and stuff and Done things we went touches. The real big because that's scary. This is year eleven student Catherine. She's from Queensland. I've always had a interest in biodiversity because when I was lying about it in school I just found it fascinating the way things like adapted to the surroundings and how strong Some animals off. But do you think you might study in Uni? I definitely want medicine like the medicine. Science and even in science medicine side of it because on surf fascinated about the way humans like animals too but mostly humans alphabrain the actual workings about nerves and our nervous system and everything. I just find it so fascinating to fix people with your knowledge of that. It's just it's mind blowing to me. If you're ever original or Torres Strait islander you make up about three percent over strides population but just under two percent of all students enrolled at university are indigenous. That's growing by around half of a said over the last decade or side when it comes to Unical says in the natural and physical sciences. It and engineering. Less than one percent of students are indigenous for first year medicine. That's around two point. Four percent and of course completion rights alarm but this camp is about helping to change that. It's about road tasting university. Simon names macaroni. I'm an epidemiologist with. Csiro food and nutrition and things are about to get very real for the students right now. We're talking about their activities for the rest of the week and in particular their inquiry which is quite a lot of pressure for them. They'll need to spend a lot of their time thinking about the question that they want to investigate for the next few days and then they'll have to be ready to present it by next week. You asking them to do scientific experiment in two days scientific inquiry. That might be an experiment but it might be some other activities but yet in today's Yep they'll spend a lot of the allison a day. Doing it will be under a lot of pressure but based on previous years they do a great job so they've got to collect data definitely have to collect data they'd go to interpret data and they'll go to present it all of the precious situations for them so the pressure is on from pretty much all mice now not quite a couple of days. I think they'll feel it from tomorrow morning. Hitler research can be conceded. A A dirty word Saith West head is a young research scientist irregular mentor on these caves. He comes from Alaba Coal. And we're edgy. Country in these half miles research was something that was done on. Aboriginal people not with Aboriginal people and certainly not let by aboriginal people but as we get more aboriginal academics in high positions within the academy. This is where we can start to see a change of the culture so we need young people. All of the students present curious and inquisitive mind and from my perspective. That's all you need to be a scientist. The rest is just learning the specific language to answer the specific questions that you come up with and that's just a process. Anybody can do that. We really made more indigenous people in science. We've got so much work today. But we need more indigenous people everywhere. It's hard to access education for aboriginal people and are stolen papal. It's hard to walk to welds of wanting to preserve your own culture and sense of identity. Sometimes studying integrate main sacrificing culture identity and sometimes staying strong culture means sacrificing education. Perhaps no one knows these more than an ano education later. I made it a gathering by the five page of the Wheelchair Boarding House. Where all staying at Miami's Ruben and direct for education does P. Y. Yeah we didn't on almost for you know all the people it's our language and then another language as we had last week students from the remote traditional lands of the unindo people in South Australia. Come stay here. We'll check to go to high school in Adelaide. Now looking at you know dairies. To Wolves do peak will come together. You know the wisden world is really important that are now people need to get educated through sure school to get a job and money travel around you know speak language English and understand where there was an will come from and why why we see really important pulled in you know kids to university by his crowd. I need to build than me on the stand with coming from and you're not educated to vision. It's a big thing you know for helping students on this summer. School where I've come from is a big part of this week. Some don't know a lot about families indigenous heritage and gun elda Rosemary. Waggin blows my mind. Diwan that we to have conversation across our communities across the country but we need to have them because something terrible is occurring with what? I'm calling. Intra cultural racism born in Nineteen fifty. Five Rosemary is a member of the stolen generation at age nine. She was taken by welfare agencies from her father after her mother died. There were seven kids and a two day old baby by Seventeen Rosemary had married and given birth to her first child at this a long life on and Rosebery now runs her own. Business focused on supporting indigenous healing. It's called the Australian Institute for loss and grief in this context on talk about the impact of history and how we as visual people and torched autumn. Two people can judge each other on the Colorado scheme that really hit home for me because like obviously everyone's face discrimination but being a half house. Aboriginal is extremely difficult daily. I get not an actual aboriginal. You you only on the inside. It's not on the outside yet. So that talk really just confirmed with me that I should be proud of my culture. I shouldn't let things like that. Make me ashamed and if they are going to be like that that's a reflection on that personality and may not on me such a powerful realization to go from that session and I feel like it's a issue is merced. Lighter skinned everage knows. I wish I was just everyone could get that cultural identity talk. I knew that going to be cultural activities but I didn't think they were going to be as moving and powerful as they are when you look at those students here the summer camp and you think about your own situation at the same age so these students leaving you. Ten going into your eleven. What was your relationship to education? As you were growing up glued Christian it was profoundly weakened lift point P is and under the exemption certificates that we had to be exempted from being an aboriginal point. Peace Mission is and then we have assimilated so you know aboriginal anymore and now you have to assimilate to become what people and so. We're on in clear. What mainstream town and the average family? They are remember loving primary school as I didn't one day on Friday night for class and rushed into the classroom sat down and the teacher stopped the whole class and she said price. Ray Wangdi did not we ought to do with the we. Were to put a casual cotton. The sort of your desk and on the front of it and on the other side so the children can't see you a new county can't see the children and just ride dance all the way around it. I remember something happened inside my heart because a teacher was a teaches us an Etel and she wants she must be telling the trees. I've into that all the way into my primary school high school and I think it had a even at effect on me am staying at Union in the northeast because I say narrow archie. Keep reminding me lookout lookout. Don't forget your dime Mesa. Quick get up before somebody finds out took me many years to reclaim back. My face. Trust is earned. Abilities accomplished myself and my intelligence. My mom and a pot of the governmental policy at that time wasn't allowed to go to school pasta six. That was the rule and that was because she was a Torres Strait island a woman that edict was implies because of that part of the Act and Education Act for indigenous peoples that they were only allowed to go to school into that year level because it was thought that that intellectual capacity was only at that level and they could not learn anymore. You know there was nothing that you could do if you want to listen to at that time of the protectorate laugh would be very very hard and difficult for you scientist and Educator Taurus web coordinator of the inquiry for Indigenous Science Students Program run by CSIRO when our progress into high school. I really wanted to continue my studies into university and shoes. My passions and interests around environmental science and management are we preserve and protect land. I went through the high school. Some of the teachers said to me. Why are you aiming to study? Some of the Board Academic Subjects Science Maths. Yes mystery physics that kind of thing exactly the subjects to open your pathway in Korean University said why onto studying in the vocational education and bits related subjects. That would be more suited to you and the expectation with. You need to be doing something. That's more aimed at your level. Let the rest of the indigenous people so looking at the academic side was out of reach. It actually stood up a bit of a fire in my belly to say well. Actually I can't achieve this regardless of what your thoughts are in low expectations of me can achieve that particularly with the support and family and community. I ended up applying for Cadet ship on the Australian Fisheries Management Authority asthma. Yeah I did. Environmental Science Management Degree at Southern Cross University. Lismore multi newsouth wells. It said I often die. Four of cat. And because you can't be what you can't see the students and nasty in the dining hall in a special speed Mayton great. Cassie C. Sarawak in their area which basically means I help Scientists with a computer nate's with that particular experiments will data collection and had the process that I also have a background in Mechanical Engineering Electronics Engineering. What are your interests in science biology counting so here will chair in the dining hall. This is Scott. Feel at one of the candidates With a lot of chatter connection going on here as the group of Students Speaking to a whole bunch of diverse size technology engineering and mathematics professionals working in the fields. Their moms their dies. They grandma is the recent graduates. Internationals people have moves into state rural original city remote We've got a whole bunch of professionals here and many students sciences subjects sized classroom sizes is a teacher. The power of one on one conversation is incredible. What I'm laughing about decision. Release It on seeing some of the slightly shy students volunteering questions. Speaking out when it's one on one it's one hundred percent engagement hundred percent everyone's into it so my name's Tina Brady. I'm a under one day. Gyro woman living on Ghana country and I'm currently or your behalf way now through my PhD Which is looking at social determinants of health and social and emotional wellbeing forever. Sean Torres tried onto communities so you would just presenting to the summer camp. Yes so we were just talking to them about I journeys and Korea's Khannabal Pathways into how we got here and what that looks like and I guess any insights the might be useful for them. You know at this stage when they looking into their future and thinking about where they might WanNa go and how they might want to get this. Larry Will you when you were entering year. Eleven aboriginal kids in my school at the interview twelve. There were three of us that graduated. I think so you know and this is in a town where moisture population aboriginal paypal. So the opportunities for us going into year eleven. We're really about. It's like almost like survival. It was like the school was just telling US whatever they could to keep out flat. Tina grew up with her family in the mining town of Kalgoorlie in Western Australia. Al Family went from that town to my parents when they got married. Dodds note aboriginal mummies and so we were sort of outside as to the town in terms of aboriginal identity and cultural connection but we were average to the rest of the town. So you like one of those people that doesn't fee and so fill your developing identity. It's really complex. So you know you're experiencing soil much. Racism from non aboriginal people like like the moist out would blatant racism. That people don't think this is what you hear a child. Everyone telling you that who you are in early is wrong and bad thoughts. What made it almost easier to leave. When it was time to make the decision to go to university and I won said to me at school you could go to university. That was never ever a word uttered to me. It wasn't actually a pathway that I thought was possible until later once I was working in aboriginal sort of affairs and going on. I really am passionate about this. What else could I do you know? How would I get a job? That's more like that was kind of what drove me to sort of book for a lot of students particularly remote students studying at high school or university might involve moving away from home which can be fun but also challenging. Jasmine is a non eighteen year old medical student at Adelaide University student later and a mentor here on the summit cab. She left her family. In the small mining town of roxby downs to hit to boarding school. Family is everything in indigenous culture is everything and then being away from your family and you know cousins uncles in your aunties and then you don't really have anyone winning. Move Away into the city which is really really hawed. Drive away from culture was particularly hard especially when I went to boarding school I was cold unfortunately very many many many nights by myron indigenous people which was really really hurtful getting cold an Oriole and stuff like that it really hurts and our cultural identity like I did back then it was even more interesting but then I saw going on campus quite similar to this actually went to one in Queensland too. Few in Sydney and being surrounded by other indigenous students had the same interest in May like they loved science all they loved learning. That really really helped me. I found. I'm not alone when it comes to. My Cultural Journey Jazzmen loves university loves leaving on the campus love studying medicine and surgery and loves his science growing up. I loved machines and I always. Watch documentaries with my dad. My family in America on my mom's side so we went to America. You want him. What did he go to Kennedy Space? I was like one thing I wanted to do. Got To walk out of the rocket and it was amazing and we went back when I was thirteen and we actually went to Houston. I've been to both places and it was phenomenal absolutely phenomenal. It's like you just don't know what's out there and I just love that. I remember the assignment that I fell in love with biology. Did an assignment and I did on the cardiovascular system and I loved it. That was like my first thing. I can rock and really study this for a full-time garden up into communities most roxy downs you really get to nor the needs of country towns. I guess so. To speak and a lot of country towns. They need doctors. I came to the realization that you know if I wanted to help my community. What is the best way I can show my community that I care about them and then I want to help them but in a first year of medical school jasmine was called back home for sorry business after two family members died? This is a really important grieving. Time for extended indigenous families. It was the best year of my life in the West here to be honest but the med schools very old and then not really flee away quite yet of the commitments of sorry business. And how long do you have to be away and what you have to go back home and do all this stuff? So that's why it was pretty hard to hire for about a month and a half to say goodbye to some family members which was really hot but I loved what I was. Learning Jazzmen is back doing first year again. To catch up on the coursework. She missed and this is where PhD. Student Tina Brody thinks things could be different. She's a research assistant at the South Australian Health and Medical Research Institute. People might say that as you know. Sorry business pulling us away from what we should be doing. But it's not that that's how cultural value about the the dominant society and the workplaces or university institutions. That way in just ought to respond to that always demands. Don't get me wrong. Are Men my obey about? Why can't we say actually have sorry business at that time? And therefore swat this commitment will look like and this is what. I'm able to deliver on for my work at that time. It's about the system actually catching up to our cultural values rather than us having to defend them or peak. One we are capable and I think that we're starting behind because of what was done to us through the process of colonization living in colonial environment. You know web behind because of that. Not any other reason you know so. We're having to like. I say we have to work harder and smarter. And all those things and being strong in yourself and your identity really sets you up to be able to bring that to whatever you and can ground you for years to come. Let's the future. But the past matters to to Rosemary Wang Yuan in her work with young indigenous paper these children have also come from a culture that many of them if not all of them knows that genocide was committed upon the ancestors what adults say in the educational system. What they always tend to miss is pass formless for the student. Tom's because we don't know what this story is what the history is they could be in uni for whole year doing fantastic and then they'll have trigger and be nice to even themselves and then they go to somebody to talk to them and if they haven't loved the schools they're not going to know how to help. The student manage those emotions that time if traumatized them and this is part of why some students die finish the university to grace for can't mentor and university student. Tian e Adamson attending these very same somersaults. Camp Cheney's go now. As a year. Ten student herself changed her life dramatically. She'd grown up with WHO loving mother. She knew she was indigenous. Father was indigenous man. But she'd never met him. I felt close in a way of the cultures and communities the I had been immersed in but to my own mob quad disconnected strong in the identity of of that being part of who I am but not strong in in my own law and my own coach away and after going through that wake in you know being able to engage in things like five. Pm night with these people of varying sages in phases of understanding their own cultural identity. In saying that I wasn't the only one I felt inspired to learn more about my own cultural identity so when I go home decided to give myself a bit of time to really think about if I wanted to get in contact with my dad. Not So. This camp prompted you to find your indigenous family absolutely. It had such a huge impact on on that part of my laugh culturally and inspired me to it. Took me a few more months of reflecting and thinking about that but sparked the journey of me getting touching my dad for the first time so I rang him in school holidays of my grade. Eleven what was that like for you? Will you nervous? Yes sodded anxious. Yeah I was all of those things notice excited and anxious remember cooling dad for the first time and I'm pretty sure it went to message bank and he called me back and I just remember like feeling that crazy like butterfly feeling in that funny feeling that you get in you start when you get bit nervous so that was pretty crazy. Had really quick chat to him then and said he was at work. Yeah I remember him asking what my name was and and I said that I was Tian Adamson Sarah Adamson's daughter and it was a hard thing to navigate some light. What do I what do I say here? And he said thank you literally what he said to me on the phone and then it was quiet for a little bit and he asked how old I was. And what forty tame I back four? Which is Hawthorn which is also who died bags for so he was stoked about that. Yeah I had such an interesting feeling in my stomach but I need that. It was the stop once that I had contacted him. For the first time that my life would never be the same again that that was a new thing that was going to be my life. It was there to stay and Tiana's looking forward to visiting her extended family on Thursday island. One die soon back cab. The students are hard at work on their inquiry projects. So today we're doing Inquiries apotheosis have been sit. Experiments plotted results are being collected. This is science people. What he's Matthew's group up to. My group has decided to test. If people relate taste brandt I am loving this pile chocolate in front of Matthew. Is this your experimental material? Yes yes it is. We have Eight blocks of chocolate and total. What brand you believe product see was from out of cadbury lint with the makers and green and black's green and Black Brennan in other groups. Insects are being countered and classified booed scouse living measured vagrancy since being fraud. I'm way decided to do an experiment based on food products which were either vacant based or animal base saying if the general public with subconsciously persuaded to enjoy animal products I will plant based products go ahead four categories so we had mints Bacon Cheese and milk and so we served up. Young people are amazing. They are intelligent inquisitive to riven motivated passionate. And it's providing opportunities for young people to save and truly believe that we have as aboriginal paper. We have an opportunity to take charge of research that is of benefit to our communities. We have an opportunity to take both the cultural knowledge that we hold tight. The knowledge of Western science bring them together for the benefit of Al paid for the benefit of society at large. We have a lot to give and communities have a lot to gain from engaging with aboriginal led research the more that we are included in an an afforded opportunities to be involved within society whether that baby science finance government. The more cohesive believe we are going to be as a society as a community as an Australian community and as indigenous people. We have a lot to offer. We have been here since the first sunrise. We have been here for all of time. This is a place that we are connected to within our very essence and mainstream society has a lot that I could gain from including US within the various different faculties that that exists. Tweeden Terai Society Science. Being one of those. It's the final morning of camp nerves are hard drive. Students are about to present their project results to a full auditorium scientists cultural leaders. Even some parents have looked up. Many of the students look genuinely terrified. Results from this one to me from the planet I I the but before then he had no idea what a ones do. Every time I was I just said Struggling shoulders now. I actually have an idea what I WANNA do. Specifically Looking at sports physiology this nice. Yvonne live real feeling of relaxing. The Room and pride got to be about one of the best and worst experiences in my life. Because I'm so happy though. Come here and experience. All this made everyone just sad. It's ending sad that we left Leeds now because like on the first day I was like I'm in my room. That's it that's made for the day but like every time went on. I started to become pin with people because I've lived with these people fool like another week. Also I like. There's no point in just hiding in the corner of something because I want to make this the best experience that I can really since that there was a sort of Tom Folding few across the way I probably couldn't imagine spending days nine days what did it give you beyond friendship. Beyond friendship thoroughly just A strong sense of myself and for the students summer school doesn't end with his party that we meant horde by zero for these last two years of high school. It's such a world away from what Rosemary. Wagon aimed the gun elder on camp experience when she went to school. In the early nineteen sixties were seven year old self was shamed by a schoolteacher for being original. Was that seven year old. Now you still. She's still the to remind me of a now and again but off the ball control of and then but since I found and healed together we reclined back. How FAITH AND TRUST CONFIDENCE? Sales team at intelligence from the teacher. Reclaiming them back and we just standing on the outside of the school yard Amnon. The guy's face and I said to my seven year old man utility to what four till who what you couldn't tell her on that day and just rip you did. This is a part of the healing and reconnecting to to grow her up so she's not a seven-year-old in me anymore and over reactive and so given their we're meeting forward and I'm taking her back to you. Andy Sixty three. Rosemary is doing a masters of philosophy at Leiden University. Now where she's a cultural adviser to and my thanks to all the students and staff involved in. Csiro'S ABORIGINAL Summer School for Excellence in technology and science and to the Wiltshire Boarding School for having me stay. I'm on twitter at Natasha. Mitchell joined the ABC for walking together. Twenty twenty on the path to reconciliation. Share your thoughts. Hashtag walking together. Twenty twenty more info. Abc Dot net dot org slash. Walking together I'll catcher. 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