HHCSA DAILY - Dr. Marti Cason on #HipHopEd Pedagogy: Teaching Math & Teaching Teachers
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I'm very happy to have a guest with us today have guess any day you know I'm just glad that everyone is participating in coming on time and not messing me up live everything everyone is that it so far and to kick it off today the first full week of this madness to discuss this intersection of hip hop and education specifically through a mathematics Lens. Hayes me manny now playing the role of narrator Voice of God. The perils of doing live broadcast brings on technical difficulty sometimes at the beginning of this interview Dr Mark. Ason couldn't be heard. You couldn't hear that she'd been a teacher at Texas am and been a math teacher and done all these things but it didn't take too long figure out that as ZIG zagged and press the right button and get Dr Martin case in back in the mix to explain what she does in her work educating other educators about the concepts of progressive and diverse thinking in education and hip hop ED. Here's Dr Marty case. Seating in also. Teacher for. Introductory course. Pre, service teachers like Mary Ed and give the ability to our program. In a investor actually took on a couple of courses, they gave me for alternatives. For Alternative, Sorry Stadium Alternative Patient Okay all right. We've followed you for a long time. We've been kind of crossing paths online. We've been dealing with hip hop, ed movement and You know shouts to the entire. Hashtag. Hip Hop ed footer shot that happens Tuesday nights nine o'clock eastern and everyone affiliated with that had some people on this show that have been kinda surrounding involved in that as you have very actively been participating. First of all, how did you first get involved in sort of? The idea of incorporating hip hop as an educational tool as educational intersection, where did that I come about for you? In the first my career time, dowse? Icy. And but I grew up very in a very rules district all white school district. So stepping into wall being a teacher at outside seem Siri different. So. I didn't I don't feel like I did very well in the career I was very prepared given the program I was in. And So Dan out my second masters degree that I got was actually through Ut Austin. I went into a program to be in leadership. And but it was it was focused. It was centered around urban education. So. This is where I started to really get into and learn how to talk about race talk about. And get into those conversations in what they really mad in education at how that impacted. The closer. Then, I got certified to be principal in a very quickly decided to really wasn't ashes mathematics more passion so That's often. said, he's in like Abba meta-analysis out that looks at. Research in numeracy development. Do numerous the interventions, the children when they're young and how that can really impact. Their mathematics learning. So Max earlier Ashton in how we teach nice and then when I went on to get my doctorate. Degree I wanted to look at. African, American, achievement it affects. That's that's where we look at the data. That's where we're always seeing Were aggregating the data you have helped. In Dallas, we had mostly Hispanics within some African American population. Very, few White Students, DALLAS? So. But it's looking at. Hawaii. One is the data look the way today deaths right in. So when I went to get my doctorate, that's what I wanted to study, and then I found bed in actually actually hypothesis through Gloria license. Glad met her at a conference in Canada. and. Watch a office she did HIP HOP INFO And she mentioned the hypothesis chatting. So I started chatting online getting involved in that in a very quickly in in our read an article, several articles about impoverished patient him pedagogy. I started to think about all students that I saw this in when they talked about hip hop identity students got really excited because I was like are the students that I saw these businesses their identity. In. So but I had never heard that before been made an in your teacher when you're learning I, didn't grow up hip finally culture. So The town that I, grew up was groping with very racist in. So it's just you know that wasn't as something that I grew up with in. So. Seeing that. The. Did, that's a really excited wanted to study back got involved in the Chasse I actually reached out to the local hip hop artists wanted us to bring it into my math methods classroom because when I was when I was a student. Going going to get my Ph D. I also taught. At the University of Saint Almost taught math methods forces. In so I brought him in to talk about hip hop culture because I. To study, started to learn about him pop culture but be talking about it to my students didn't really make it impacts in. So brought. A lead the great. He's Actually Co author on a Chapter I wrote in the in the hip in the new hip hop compilation. And the reason for that is he helped me so much in the work that I did his his contribution to that was invaluable. In so I reach out to him and I would talk about what I wanted to implement in my classroom. He Hailin talked about him a holster and it just really made a difference what I started to notice whether started to really think about was. The students are teaching were it was an elementary math methods or so both teachers are female very rarely. Did I have a Most of our students were white. And It Really Watching them interact AP, they had never really interacted with incentives. And so. They. They really the really impacted them listening to him talk about the culture and talk about his experiences student. Elaine At. Some point I reach out to him to ask never been to a hip hop show. So I starting point to hip hop shows in Dan I. started out in Denton going at bears is that was his that was his area he's from eastern southeastern. So As, well. As the rapper. And So we will start WanNA shows in Denton. Got To know local Denton artists in land eventually started to more shows Dallas you know which is close by and assorted Bilton Network of artists that I know now that I can reach out soon. I have questions or if I mean something or a had a COUPLA will do. Come to my classroom in even in college. To, guest lecture mice, it's always good to get the the practitioners involved you know some people are we hear that sometimes hip hop education that some in some not y'all because they'll do it right. But there's people that may be poke around but don't actually involve the actual participants in practitioners of the culture now into the mix and I think that's super important. I want to take it. Real cursory level. We talk about this stuff. We you know read the journals right for the journals. But a lot of times outside of our familiarity with hip hop education has mixed people are a little bit unaware of the concept or skeptical of the concept on a very surface level. Especially, with math, you know a lot of times we can see how hip hop mindset or hip hop styles or hip hop methods can be used in language arts as we see how that works. We. Can see how it works with the Science Genius Program. We just see how it works with some of the more. You know wordy subject areas I remember being a Columbia University. Engagement with the McCoy summer from hip hop hacks and Martha Asthma Hip Hop Education Center and we're having this little side discussion people coming over and educators you know asking about this intersection someone said, well, can math teach you know help us teach calculus Scoffing at the notion. Yeah, of course, of course, it can. It can tell embassies anything but from a from looking at from a mathematics point and dealing with the with the students as a whole lot of elements here how would I have answered that question to this? Man Who felt like this was a weird. Unholy matrimony. Alive. It's about how reteach not. So a lot of pedagogy is not necessarily the content, but how we teach it. In. So how we frame it for Students But. I think that one of the things that we keenly. So one of the things pre service teachers when that are talked about a little bit in chapter that arose was we did a math Brat battle in the did I did that because it was elementary Is it's not that they wrapped about. They didn't just pick a math concepts rap about likely inside. The way I did it was as they had to do battle within the lyrics and so they handed Hick opposing concepts. Addition it's subtraction multiplication division. They had to choose those opposing concepts later battled those concepts. Okay. So a prime numbers composite numbers. The reason that was important was because students. First of all. They got the opportunity to try to write lyrics, which was a law. Ruben may thought it was of the. By you did this with students with elementary students. One of the things in mathematics is that we need to know how concepts enact one. It's not just the they're they're opposing, but they also there's a connection there. And so. Those addition subtraction connect to one another war solving equations at Algebra. It's important to understand that those are opposite operations. In that connects what we learned in elementary school When I talk about numeracy any miracle fluency low e-learning elementary school essentially faith foundation for students when we get Him Algebra and Calculus they're not gonNA understand those particular areas in mathematics without understanding the basis right? Right. Without understanding that face say in having that basically mayor fluency is numerical fluency isn't just being able to add and subtract able to understand how those concepts enact one another. And so when they battled, they battled concepts intimate in they had to write a hook. Talked about how those concepts were related. Got It. So there was a specific way that I have to do the dowse. Right? This is more not just like you said, picking a concept and rapping about it as if it exists but having a mastery or at least a strong knowledge of how they intertwined with other concepts and then to probably say with opposing. Concepts specifically because they get a a real understanding of how these things work together and he goes just existing. In practice how do you see the difference teaching this way I guess anecdotally like how does it feel? What do you see? How do you? Judge or gauge that this works. As. Good. As if not better than more traditional standard ways of getting these concepts across the young people. I think that when we e you know when I first started teaching I really didn't understand. Heard about culturally relevant teaching, culturally responsive teaching. Those things where we went to trainings you know all of that but I didn't really understand what that especially in mathematics I had a hard time understanding exactly what that is most of the time you don't have teachers who teach mathematics those trains run right and so. But what if I ended for me was gave me tools. gave me like a constant concrete ways in tools to start to think about how to implement this in my class. In. There are things that we can do. No Light Laurie lots, buildings Infantino love both talk about you know the simple know simply during the rats for memorization in mathematics it is not that that's wrong to do. It's just that it can be hip hop as Right you know when we talk about, you know another example mathematically talk about graffiti artists, graffiti artists do their sketches in. You know they do their sketches I in the they do it on a larger canvas you know that's proportionality. Best taking something for being very small he got onto a very large deepest and their proportional relationships there that you get explore mathematics, right? Yeah in. So there's a lot more than we can explore putting a look at it and you stick itself looking at. US A bar putting together and quarter notes half notes, whole notes as not see. How all of those fractions relate to one another to make the whole. There's so many ways that we can look at music and a hip hop. Room, you know. Look at it through mathematically. Is. What I found talking hip hop artist. Talk to him from artists about is they see the elect. You don't they see the connection to mathematically end but math teachers don't tend soon because we WANNA. Teach way right rather than I had actually both Dr Lots of billings love on the show and one of the things that I remember between Love Sang was that. All the stuff, a lot of this stuff the stuff you talk about not just using it as a rote memorization no style of learning. This sort of. Critical thinking social emotional intelligence. This way of looking at the subject matter through a hip hop lens. Something that hip hop folks knows they just? No they just do it naturally but we don't they don't always. Know How to put it into words or translated into the school setting, but the General? Skills needed the general perspectives are all there in young people especially whose language and lifestyle ethos is hip hop bribery exactly and I think that a lot in something very basic didn't tell pre service teachers is that you're you're coming out this especially if you're not part of the hip hop culture, one of the biggest things you can do is allow your students to be if that's what they are. What they're bringing into the classroom, allow them the space to be there into teach you the pollsters use them teach you what their culture is a culture. They WANNA bring into the classroom. MS. One of the things I think what one big thing you learn through is just the. The amount of of the amount of. It's hard to describe because it's so. If something you feel it's very hard to describe them. It's it's awesome. Kinda love that you feel part of that group. In. You Bring that into your classroom. You'RE GONNA get so much for adding your seats. The intersection education hip hop is also. Attached to social justice. The idea that teaching better especially to communities and young people that have been traditionally underrepresented under resource underfunded under appreciated under you know under under everything. Can enhance again, the snow's called hip hop to save America how can we save America by giving everyone a more equitable opportunity? How can we do that? We can do that through hip hop in some of the ways you're talking. How much of a? Social Justice. Umbrella. Do you feel this whole intersection of using hip hop in your teaching specifically math but overall, the hip hop Ed kind of idea social justice. How does that? Play a part. For me I'm not teaching specifically teaching math right now I'm teaching pre service teachers, and so I think for me, I take it incident that program. Is I try to make sure that. You know I elevate certain voices. So I don't you know I can give students. I can talk about the can talk about social justice, but how do I do that without? Without doing any example right in. So try to elevate certain voices I. Obviously. Bring in Mike Chris Emden allotted. Look at his Ted talks. You know look into Tina loves work. We've look at our. Jamila lifestyle her you know her her staff in. The like last semester abroad in a we video conference who are able to do a video conference with a j Rawls in John. Robinson for. The holter you coached your pedagogy in so. I brought them in in it was in I think it's it's good to bring that in. One of the other things that I try to do is I try to evolve hippo hardest work. In. The local scene, right I've got involved in illegible hip hop scene here in the DFW area So I know a lot of artists and so what I try to do is is I do try to bring them into the classroom try to do. Things with them and what I found talking to them is a lot of them want to get involved in education. I know. How to do that, it's knowing how to navigate the education system. and. I did have an artist. At two years ago, we did a video. The school that I was at the principal allowed me to you. We were got permission to engage the students involved in the school that I was at to do video hate he had a song com Joaquin saw. It was about a bully. was about his experience you know he With his own experience, the bully and he wanted to do videos at appleby wanted US gets. saw. Actually, who's able to principal to agree to that at students got permission forms and all that kind of stuff. And then we went up to the school on a weekend and we videoed. We'd make this video now for tall. Mostly on artists. That he's He he he you know he he experienced that kind of bullying because he immigrated here with his appearance to a more Oklahoma now. So he was in Houston Oklahoma growing up did you can imagine a immigrating? He emigrated from the line in. So imagine immigrating here via more Oklahoma. And with the population, that's there is so he experienced bullying Nina setting. In. South. BACKSTAB. That's prompted the song that he wrote in. Eleven were able to create a video. Great when you have obviously administration and other entities that not a voice that have not always been traditionally accepting to. Progressive. Are Progressive Methods of interacting within educational space. Have you had pushed back. Have you had hesitation when trying to work some of the stuff in? For sure, and that's a lot of times you know especially with mathematics, Dina tested highly course I'm you always in our teach middle school so it's tested every senior another school. State tests are always. Always there in style So yeah, I definitely have gotten switch back. When I when I did try to implement it. At the in the classroom because. Of The concern about. Yeah and the more. Folks, like yourself do the work and you know get the receipts and show that these things are working in their effective. Helpful. That helps obviously the next generation of. Progressive minded teachers to Miss. What do you say to when you talk to assume you you might or if not hypothetically. To teachers who are you know hip hop minded started getting to the hip Hop ed movement start understand these things can happen but are facing pushback from maybe a administration or or parents. You know what do you? How do you? How do you guys deal with that? And I think that that's definitely possible. Badly, he works sometimes within the system that you're in. In in sometimes, you have to be a little bit quieter about what you're doing your classroom. So you know just so that you can do what you WanNa do your foster but then I think you have to work like you're going to have to work within the system that you're in. But you can bring you can certainly bring in even if you can't bring in. Everything that you want you can certainly bring in a hip hop mindset. The classroom can't stop. Stock how you build your classroom billing a positive learning environment. They can't stop that they. That's not something that you're supposed to do teacher that something nature that you're you know observed on. So when you developing the culture in your classroom is definitely something that the unions do without without that. Data over the years that you've been doing this in involved with it in you know being involved with these ideas. Have you found that it's been? More accepted I. Guess It depends on it depends on where you're at kind of situation but expands on the principle depends on the school I think something I'm kind of turning toward now is You know. You Know Betas is certainly being more accepted like when you're talking about urban spaces but I think that. What we're doing the saloon into suburban and rural schools. Read you know we talk about like like I said I grew up in rural school district that was all white are mostly white. An. So how do we take the ideas that we're looking at what talk about Social Justice and we talk about? You know that social consciousness. How do we take that into more rural school districts right where I think You would definitely get a lot of parent pushback depending on how you know. What you brought in but I think that that's you know that's really the goal is to get it is bring it into schools that are predominantly white because they need that they need that exposure to. Lead those conversations they need to learn the correct history you know Because that's you know I definitely think that I was missing something when I first went into teaching because I didn't learn how stay right I often ask a question you answered it ready but the question I often asked the hip hop educators. Based, education folks is, of course, there's attention paid to black and brown communities inner cities. But these are universal approaches that actually could do work as effectively across all demographics areas with an added bonus I think of giving that sort of cultural awareness that that understanding that they may not have been previously exposed to, and you're saying that from someone who wasn't and now seeing what I could have been. Yes and yes yes, and that's benefit. Yeah and that would be highly beneficial to anyone entering the space I would imagine. Speaking about space you were given space in the new hip hop ed a compilation book hip hop compilation about education volume two, which is hip hop as practice and social justice. Again, you mentioned you and Av the great contributed a chapter that creating a shared energy through hip hop to advance the pedagogy of math pre service educators shared energy. Can you talk a little bit about the shared energy part of that? When I was working on that particular study. That actually be my dissertation they worked on So this this out of part of my dissertation work and One of the things that one of my committee members wanted lead to I guess, originally put it in there didn't have. In so they're like. Why what intervention that you did today and I was like okay. So of course for me since he helped me so much I went to him you know him I conversation how to discussion. Okay. So what are we gonNA onus because he was involved in helping me development curriculum in a you know we had several conversations over the semesters, things that I was doing in the classroom in so. When we talked about, we talked about shared energy through hip hop because. There's an energy that we had assured together. Right we had. There's this space that we had to get into together. We had to talk about okay. What am I gonNA do being true to culture. When I do this, you know in trying to make sure that I'm doing these days correctly as a white woman right and it's somebody who is new to the culture. You know now I feel like I'm part of the culture because you know become argued. The hypocrisy here for. L. D. A., W. Area but at first I feel like I was park often. So I wanted to make sure that I was whatever I was bringing the classroom our during it in the correct way. And so to be able to do that, I, had to ask him because he eased s he's expert on him. Right and So we talked about their between the two of us, and then when we take it into his face, there's a shared energy in space right in. So that's that's how we came up with that that particular A name for the innovation here. Right because it does kind of. Implies that it's not just a transference of information, but it's sort of a CO joining working together. So working together as teachers teaching teachers, and then together as teachers educating young people, which I think sits at the heart of sort of the cultural relevant and hip hop styles of teaching is, is that meet them where they are involved them in the teaching put it all together in that way, and if you do that in the right way, you can have great results once again. And I just WANNA say. You know this is a if you're just tuning in now on the livestream does hip hop to save America the podcast you're doing it live in the month of September on Monday through Thursdays in an a special drop on the podcast feed on. Friday. So please do subscribe to that WanNa set out the sponsor of this segment newsbeat podcast, which is a social justice pop gas incorporates hip hop. It's social justice journalism we like to say it says if democracy now and black thought had a podcast baby as definitely check that out news podcast wherever you find podcasts and just continuing the conversation before we before we wrap up. Again. It's not a I'm trying to get like a feeling out of this but just especially with young people but across the board, even teaching teachers teaching teachers who are going into this field. What benefits some touching positive aspects of this we touched on a few Why is this your mind? Just necessarily the way to do it it has to be done. This way is that how you feel? Yeah, I do and I think that. One of the things tomorrow on Practice. Is that I'm very. Have to be very reflective. In chapter talk about my own background you're not talking about a year. While my background is in that impacts. Certainly impact what now And I think that one of the biggest things that leads to happen especially, we have a pre service teacher populations that are predominantly white. You know secondary add we have more of a mix male female. Elementary Ed we have a high. Percentage of female. In education in general percentages white. And so how you know how do we start that process in the program of them reflecting on their practice? you know when you talk about working with alienate shared energy. One of the one of the big things is that when he steps out to be the teacher in the classroom, you know I give him you know he comes in as a guest lecturer needs to be the teacher I sit down as a learner. You know and. Worth talking I'm learning about I'm learning from him. He's the teacher he's the expert. Is I think it's important. teacher soon, be able to understand that you're not always the expert in. Sometimes you are but not always so happy. To step. Back, into learn. you know last semester. I was asked to do the diversity inequity in seminar courses that we were being lane. There's actually professors in that class there several at like three or four of us in that class. So we each chain as to do different WESTERNS. With students that I was asked to do diversity equity, and so we look at. The Ted talk the danger of the single story I don't know one that you see before. Monday. NBC A DC. Is the one that does that one and as we look backwards, tech talk is you know one of the so she's talking about the single story what single-story you have a you know someone else she's talking about single story of blood. If you only see books written a certain way, you know the Mrs, what you expect right? This is the stories. If these are the only three that you see the this is what you expect ran. In so we looked in in you know we had a really powerful moment thing. You ask students to look at you know and they had to write down. Once a single-story somebody thought about me in what's the single story that I thought about somebody else? And they didn't have to share out Lau at I didn't do it like that I had them. They did it on note hearts and I did like, Assad. A side. Vive. And Was Thinking Ecstatic. Within they had to they had to you know in their group. This is before all the social distancing. In their group, they had to pass the note cards around and they just read. So there was there wasn't this reading out loud or anything. That actually had a student. at the end of it, and we're talking about the experience of amid and he said, no, he said on the he Sirri. Asked me to think about a single-story somebody thought about me he was the white male. He said. At a really hard time. On the other side where single-story he thought about from the else. Is it a hard hard time signing which one I wanted to write. The wasn't too embarrassing. Right in so it's really getting to the national shared about my own in my only street Saddam has you know where I grew up everything. Is a bowel that reflective process to able to get into this burkey GonNa have to reflect on yourself first. You're GONNA have to reflect on yourself and your own culture burst before you get into this. You have to be willing to do that. So I think it's important to bring that into. We talk about research bring that into the programs because they can start to learn new things as they get out of the question that the whole point. is to learn from your students. Right is not enough. The is not about giving them all the pieces to what hip hop pedagogy is, but it is starting that process of reflection. In how he end come into the classroom and ask your students willing to step back as a teacher WANNA learn from week. Yeah I. Think it also works with those who are connected to the culture a lot as as much as those like you say coming into in trying to figure it out make sure you're doing authentic matter makes you not stepping on cultural toes I interviewed a doctor Lauren Kelly for this podcast she's out of rutgers. Education Department and SIROTTA CO authored a paper. When when keeping it real goes wrong and hip hop education and it's the end is a very reflective thing I am of the culture and I'm teaching teachers are we're trying to teach young kids but we have to navigate the way to do that. Sometimes, we have to recognize that. Yes, WE WANNA give them space and. Giving them too much. Authority sometimes works against because they're not used to being in a position of authority. So you're trying to give them too much and there's there's a lot of factors to way when you're trying to figure out so. The reflective nature of it, and that's exactly what the the paper was about. Kind of looking back at a semester in saying here's what we did is we could have done better. Here's what worked. What didn't I mean I'm the son of an educator. My my dad was a distinguished professor of sociology and from what I know I went to college for about twenty six minutes commerce son Cobbler's son has no shoes right I both from what I learned. I mean. As a teacher, you're constantly learning supposed to be better ways to teach. Kind of makes sense right? and. That comes from again not just having a one way. Interaction with students. Whether they be students, students or teachers, it's it's got to be collaborative. It's got to be reflective. I think very valuable and I appreciate that perspective. Lastly for. Let's go. How is how is pandemic life changed your educational career right now what changes have you made or what's going on well I mean our university online. Yeah. So where still trying to navigate because I have seen teachers that are out in the field so they have to feel I'm not supposed to so. You know they're now they're school district. The school district I started off online, but they're eventually going person. But Fan Schools. Still don't really want extra people in the building. Take a student of sanitation features that they don't want like extra people walking around. So. So you survey ships difference. So we're having to. Video or manner you know do something to observations recuse easterners is trying to do. you know our classes, her are web based, but they originally supposed to be in person. So the the ones that were originally supposed to be in person. I still do me students, but then there's the you know you can't really necessarily require them to meet with you on live. There may be other things going on in other factors. But it's beneficial for them to meet online. So. You know I do have actually students even though not requiring it they are logging. We're having a conversation. We're talking about the Islamism giving them some extra. About, as they work on their arm around assignments. In our student teachers, they actually a seminar courses so you have to get online with us You know so many it's not like every week so. Scheduled throughout the semester where we have different. To Tom. Within us. We go over some days. I have some weekly meetings with them just to check in with them. You know I'm trying to check in with them. Make sure they're doing. Okay. Checking with their mental health at this point because they're they are out in the field and. There is it's new for the teachers. So you have to We're having a pair them with being procedures to events or seizures. This is all mean for them. Soon, teaching online, you know having to start the school year out like data and now seat know in a week or so students are going to be coming to campus. You know what that means. You're going to have students for mask and all this other stuff and so That's brand new for the teachers in our midst warring there. So I'm trying to make sure that I'm you know I'm navigating trying to make sure I'm checking on the residents trying make strategic a mentor teachers trying to make sure we're not allowing anybody. Throughout this process of yeah. Yeah. Can Be kind of I mean I just I have a five year old and she's doing the distance learning and we're figuring it all out as parents now. Measures to so. You know. Well you know God bless Ya. GotTa five and friend right now that. My goddaughter's mother she's a teacher so he's about to have to go back and do their starting online learning but so is her daughter, her daughter's in kindergarten and so. What do with your daughter during the day he you know she's and you know she can take her up to campus or whatever. But it's like she's got a t shirt classes anti monitor five year in classes. Interesting Times. But you know what can give us some sense of being able to get out of this hip hop you know we know how to create something from chaos and make wonderful immutable. And that's the spirit of it and hip hop can hack everything and it can hack the situation. It can certainly has been improving the education space I'm in awe at the HIP hop. Those. Officially kind of attached to it and anyone who has that mindset out that teachers here this and see the work you guys doing and find inspiration because y'All have the receipts you showing that it works and. Anything who helped deliver better equity and Universal Enlightenment into the educational field is valuable in my opinion. So I thank you for your time I. Thank you for your work. Is there anything that I haven't brought up that you're involved in are needed let people know about or look into this sort of thing more besides obviously they hip hop Ed chat which happens online on twitter, Tuesdays Nine PM Eastern and of course, the book The compilation of the second is the second edition are. So. In all and then we also have a youth culture power. Jay rawls John Robinson did is actually published through offense so So, their work is really important to you that using culture. Not just hip hop. Culture Avenue you're. By right and they really start to Kinda get down to how do we al we really empower us. And I think it really listened to them as they actually ask. I know them, I. got them. I gotta get them on here as well. good work in good. You're awesome. Fantastic. Great cosign. Lastly this is the question I ask folks we've touched the pot, a lot of this you know in the entire interview but this is this is the name of the podcast at Hopkins Save. America is sort of a lofty concept and involves a lot of things. We need a little bit more than hip hop these days to save think, American. but that being said I, do like to ask folks in your perspective and your opinion you've done involving hip hop in the education space. Why does hip hop needs to be at the table discussions when we talk about bill ways to improve lives livelihoods in communities across the country? Now. I think hip hop really does elevate. That social consciousness in Dan out like I said before. When Williams to hip hop in and out. Very. Tip Conference over to talking to them online very first conference. Just felt so much love and acceptance, and just this embrace that you now even in my local community, the same thing to know different artists in my local hip hop community that love in that community that there is so important. In this is in its. Path eleonor is very undescribable. said to be a part of those. I know it I know. Well, that's what hit with something hip hop does it can it can bring people together and we've seen it throughout the throughout the world. Lonzo and here seeing throughout many many industries I thank you for your time for giving us the perspective I'm always excited to learn about how the stuff is actually working practice, and this is very interesting to me, and I hope to everyone else to thank you for your time and I thank you for your worked. Really do I respect what you do in especially in these trying times so we thank you. Thanks me case. Thank you so much. All right. Well, there you go. Once again. There you have it. Beautiful discussion discussing teaching teachers discussing how hip hop can intersect with math and really all educational avenues Do Check Out Dr Caissons contribution to the hip hop ED. Book Series, compilation on Hip hop education volume two hip hop as practice, and so Justice Co Co authored the chapter with Av the great called creating a shared energy through hip hop to advance the pedagogy of math pre service educators. Smart stuff happens here. This is the world's smartest podcast and you can tell why I'm not always so smart. So I rely on the really smart people could tell me what the heck is going on when it comes to the intersection of hip hop in other areas So thank you again Dr Mardy Cason for coming through. I really appreciate especially in the midst of the education season. So dope once again, the hip hop Ed chat has come up today many times shouted than hip hop had family respect a them have some representatives from that movement coming up in future very near future episodes of this hip hop save America, the podcast both alive and the special Friday bonus addition that appears magically on your podcast feeds. So once again to recap. 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