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You're listening to the monocle daily first broadcast on the seventeenth of October two thousand eighteen on monocle twenty four. The monocle daily in association with Ye Bs. Live from Dory house in London. This is the monocle daily. I'm Paul Osborne that coming up as Turkish investigators continue their work and it's done bowl America's top diplomat, here's turkeys side of the saga of Jamal Khashoggi, but is the US really interested in getting to the truth? We've got the latest. It's been quite a in Canada as cannabis's legalized. We were pulled from Toronto. I'm here from someone at the top of the now legal cannabis business quite a day to in Brussels where Theresa May struggling to persuade e you leaders that Sheikh of reach a Brexit deal with them. Later will more about the letters sent to Barack Obama when he was president, which found the way onto his desk, and we'll love Walt makes an award winning wildlife photograph. And I was immediately struck by how they look so very, very genyk. And that's when I decided I need to go there to photograph these animals. All ahead. In the next hour on the monocle daily, live from London monocle twenty four. Hello, welcome to the monocle daily. Is the United States helping Saudi Arabia to cover up? What happened to Jamal? Khashoggi? That is. I'm extraordinary claim, but it's been made by some who question why the US from Donald Trump down seems happy to accept Saudi explanations that too many others defy credibility. The US secretary of state has today denied giving the Saudis, the benefit of the doubt after meetings in Riyadh, Mike Pompeo traveled to Turkey for talks with its leaders as investigations, continue in a Stemple, which on this island gene yacky is there and joins us on the line. Now, Mike Pompeo's say, meeting a Turkish officials today, what have they been talking about. We don't have too many details, but what transpired in his meetings with the president and the foreign minister, he apparently did not listen to an audio recording that Turkey says, it has one that offers quite a grisly recording of is alleged murder at the Saudi consulate. And when he did come here came directly from Saudi Arabia, he did make it clear that the US will way it's important relationship with Saudi Arabia. In this case will indeed Mr. Pompeo has specifically said that they will take into account the commercial links with the Saudis. They will take into account Saudi Arabia's role in helping the United States to confronted rum. That does imply that the US is is not minded to side with Turkey and its anger over what it says. Happened here. That is true. It does have a very good friend in Saudi Arabia and one that it's going to rely on increasingly going forward as the sanctions on Iran begin to sink in, especially on on oil and other energy supplies. There is concern that without running oil, I'm Saudi will need to pub- more. And the relationship with Turkey has been very about between with the US in recent years on just a week ago, Turkey released a an American pastor from prison after holding him for for two years, and that had almost nearly derailed relationships. So you have to allies, but one which you enjoying very good relations in one in which you're just starting to normalize. Again, there is a sense that if the US were to accept Saudi assurances over over democrates faith, it would be perhaps out on a limb. Is there a sense in Turkey that other western culture. Entries are more convinced of Saudi involvement in this apparent killing. And Turkey has appealed to its friends in Europe for support clue, adding the United Kingdom. But I think really matters here is the US stands. The US has the most influence over Saudi Arabia. It would seem and without US condemnation of this alleged murder, it seems unlikely that Saudi will be as chastened as if it comes from somewhere else in which case across it could be Turkey, the fines that it's out on a limb if the desire to hold the Saudis to account for this was to suddenly disappear. That's very true. I mean, Turkey's already quite isolated in the region. It's only real era. Ally is Qatar and Saudi has a dozen or so our Arab allies. So if Turkey is going to continue to pressure the Saudis to. In some hot somehow come to terms and whether it's an admission or some other kind of rain enjoyment in which they accept some degree of responsibility to do that. It really does need the US behind it otherwise, because of its isolation and its poor relations in the neighborhood. It's unlikely to have as as much of an effect if it's just doing it on its own Mewa. Mike Pompeo was having those meetings in Turkey. Turkish investigators have been continuing their work in estan bor-. What do we know about what they've been doing overnight last night, they searched the consulate itself on this comes two weeks after he went missing today. They were at the consul-generals residents searching that as well. And Turkish media showed Shire's of investigators climbing the rough of drones circling above, maybe taking photographs. It's not quite clear and images of people not the council. General. But if. VO coming to the concept people who work there. The general himself has left Turkey. He went, he returned to Riyadh yesterday and we don't know yet what they may or may not have found, but it's apparently quite a thorough search. It's taking hours and hours yesterday after the investigators were at the consulates the mission itself where kashogi disappeared. Arte one. Arte one. Spoke and said that they had were examining material to see if it contained any kind of toxic ingredients, whether paint had been used to cover up evidence for all of the anger that's been expressed, not just in Turkey with another countries in recent days. Is there a sense that in the end, whatever way, the United States Trump's on this issue and whatever evidence the Turkish authorities are able to gather the west will often path about this for a bit, but will fundamentally not want to alienate the Saudis. And so we'll probably let them get away with it. And it's always, it's always the reality, isn't it that they're that power and money and influence can determine policies and capitals far away. However, this case is truly remarkable. The details surrounding the journalists disappearance and his reported murder are so grizzly that it has captured people's attention and Saudi does risk kind of international revulsion over this act. It will probably be difficult to definitively prove that the the high, the highest levels of of the Saudi government, the prince, the king that they were fully engaged in part of this, at least the king is not the king so much as prints. However, there's been quite a bit of reporting, especially from the New York Times today that shows some of the people who were in Istanbul. At the time who had arrived from Riyadh have very, very close links to the prince himself. I gene yuckiness, John Bulwer investigations, continue into the disappearance and seeming murder of Jamal. Coachie. Thank you very much. You're listening to multiple twenty four. My dealer is the prime minister. The words of one man lining up in Canada today to buy marijuana legally just intruded, promise, three years ago that he would legalize the recreational use of cannabis. And today he did that radio news anchors have been trying bombs on air, not in the studio, I should say and hundreds of been quietly queuing to buy their own supplies in cities across Canada. In a moment, we'll hear from one person at the forefront of what is now a fully legal business, but I that's crossed a monocle Toronto bureau, chief Thomas Louis. Thank you very much Paul. Yes. Well, I am here in a park just west of downtown Toronto not far from the Toronto bureau here, unless you can hear the DJ's have been here in station for quite some time. It seems the atmosphere here is pretty festive so far. There are people Danzig right in front of me. Some photos being taken with some people in big mascot costumes. It's a pretty. Lovely atmosphere. Continine today is a day that kind of its uses across the country. Here in Canada have been campaigning for and have been waiting for for decades by this stage on it does Mark the fulfillment of a key election pledge by prime minister Justin Trudeau when he was running for office back in two thousand and fifteen. They're awesome who, of course have raised voices of opposition today. One of kind of leading medical journals issued an opinion piece today stating that they felt that the law had been rushed through to meet today's date. You do look at the opinion polls, though Paul and support broadly by the public here in Canada for legalizing recreational. Cannabis use is really extraordinarily high. And I think that plays in a rather significantly into why all like this seems to many advocates at least to be a fairly natural fit in a place like. Canada dot would of course poses lessons to government, sell sweater around the world who will be mulling their own cannabis legalize ation legislation. But I think for today in parties like this and in other gatherings that we've seen across the country from Newfoundland in the east to Vancouver British Columbia more broadly in the west, this industry that is worth last year, at least around five point, six billion dollars is about to come online too many. We have seen some of the largest cannabis production companies anywhere in the world formed in the last few months. In the run-up to today's change in the law and for today, at least the party. It looks like anyway, here in trinity. Valley park is going to continue for some time to come. But for now from me very sober HAMAs Louis Paul, I should note it's back to you the studio in London. Well, let's beat now to Jordan Sinclair here's from canopy growth. One of the biggest cannabis businesses, Jordan, this must have been a rather interesting day for you. It was beyond interesting. Yeah, it was hectic to put together and I think the message that I was trying to get out to to my team here anyway was just to turn find some moments to reflect amidst the chaos because it we knew it was going to be busy. We knew all eyes on Canada, but it's a, it's a piece of history too. So we are trying to to take as much as possible. You mentioned a lot of a lot of work needed beforehand. How do you go about preparing for daylight this. We've had good line of sight to this day. A lot of it is just doing what we were already doing, but on a much larger scale. So construction projects and transferring clones across the country in seven, fifty seven jets that sort of logistic stuff happened in the winter. And then for the last I would say six months, it's really been about standing up the retail shops getting as much product as we can through the system and trying to make a connection with Canadians that they choose our products from the show up in the store, not. They looks like it's been a pretty good news day eventually, though there's going to be a story in a paper on TV about somebody crashing car something because they were driving when they were high or something like that. At that point, you must be worried that that public enthusiasm and goodwill you've seen today could start to be hit. There's no doubt that there's going to be people that are that are going to be smoking cannabis and driving, but that was already a reality in Canada. We have a thriving black market. We have a thriving amount of use of cannabis in Canada. I think the opportunity now is that we can talk about a problem that's always been there. That's never had a real solution. So people have already been crashing the car because they're high on cannabis. Now there is some organizations that exist in society that accountable to make it better. So I actually think that the day is notable of course, but but it's really on us in industry to raise profile in on the regulators to put some guardrails around this thing. So while that day will come, I don't think that that it isn't already happening. They is obviously a big testing ground, not just for Canada, but for the rest of the world. Other countries, particularly g seven countries might be looking Canada, and I'm on wondering whether they want to go down the same. Route. So it has to succeed not just for you as a Canadian business has to succeed. If you want to expand this business model to other potentially profitable markets. No doubt every market is a little different. So you know, it's difficult to talk about how you would go into, you know, a given market outside of Canada without some specificity or some context on each one. But what we had in Canada that I think was very helpful for the last five years is we had a regulated and licensed medical cannabis regime so that that allowed people to get used to the idea of cannabis businesses used to the idea that that you could. You could de stigmatize through that message in almost everywhere else where we're going in the world is is exploring medical candidates rather than recreational cannabis. So most of our international work anyway is focused on that, but I do agree with what you said at the outset. If we trip flat on her face, it won't look very good for our our short-term prospects as Candida Jovan Sinclair from canopy growth. Thank you very much for joining a few listening to the daily. Monocle twenty four still ahead. Learn more about a hidden side of the Obama presidency plus will pick up on some of the top stories in Asia, and in just a moment, strap yourselves in for Brexit update. 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But apparently, despite this having been the deadline, it could be November. It could be December January. I mean, you know, if you're journalists, you know that deadlines don't really deadlines, and there's always just a little bit bit more. What was thought was that this was. Going to be the point at which they had almost dotted the is and cross the t's, and that in November, a date was penciled in. Everybody's already have this kind of emergency final summit, sign it all off. That emergency November meeting now may be the one where the EU twenty seven sit down and say, well, how do we deal with no deal scenario which is little bit of a disaster. What's happened this evening is that the has been a slight bit of movement this evening. What we can't get to a point where we can even talk about the future relationship. So we are in theory, we're going to be withdrawing amongst the twenty ninth is residents law. We then have this transition period which you must think of is bridge. And that bridge is period of time when we operate under EU rules until we finally withdrawal. Now, we were meant to do that and till December. I'm just gonna get confused my dates. Here's its till the end twenty nineteen twenty twenty. And now they're talking about extending that deadline by one year so that there is more time for us to get to the point of really having switched out what the future relationship looks like. We've barely even started discussing that under that. When would we actually leave the EU? So on on March the twenty nine next year on the under that law that was passed two years ago, we technically leave the EU, but we remain on the rules. We remain under EU rules. Then we offer two and a half more years, possibly for two and a half more years. The idea is that we the reason that it's actually the each when he seventy said, could you please be out by this particular date? Because that's the point at which they have to start there to appoint the new commission. We starts in twenty twenty and then begin to have budget discussions, and the budget discussions include who's to Kortrijk the budget, how much does each country to weigh in an wit we're leaving. So they kind of want out of the tables. They can have the discussion links twenty-seven is a bit of a fast with proper how to leave the house because he wouldn't lifted has in the cook, has to sort of working. Are you gonna leave next year or the year after how much should we all skewed to contribute? How you know how much chicken should we set aside for you? Should we order next question and then we all still hanging around just refusing to get away because we can't suitable the future arrangement is the particular. Thing about future arrangement is Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic violent, I e the physical land border with the EU and we are in through almost is extension is conversation about a moment about the question of time and how we do a backstop, how we both meet the requirements, the Good Friday agreement through which we reached peace Northern Ireland, but also reached the EU rules about customs and borders. So the Northern Ireland and this is this Honey anyway, from testify understand this, the northern, the Northern Ireland issue is the EU has said that cannot be a physical border infrastructure that can't be border posts and barriers. And the Good Friday agreement says, there will be no border. Now that was something we signed an island signed. So it's not the EU. The is just by eight a Member State Robert violin, which has signed this agreement. And the UK has also said that he doesn't want that border. The suggestion is that if we can't. Find any other way around this that Northern Ireland has to stay inside the customs union. Even if the rest of the u. k. isn't which the UK won't accept because it wasn't Alonzo the nominee to be treated differently from the rest of the. You know, I think is that she Northern Ireland's UP which is insisting it is not being treated differently. Now, the GP is a fairly unknown factor. It's almost like the the will lunacy were holding up the Canadian free trade agreement with Europe. EU officials are having to go be technically briefed about who this tiny party that's holding Theresa May to ransom is, and they're the ones who saying we, we must be indivisible their unionists with within the UK so they won't accept there's any difference in their station in the state of England, Scotland and boils Hearst dish. Theresa May suggestion. I say she says to point out that Northern Ireland voted remain rather than leave. So the DP in fact, is operating in a minority within Northern Ireland. Her suggestion is that we get round this issue by the whole of the UK temporarily staying in some form of customers. Yeah, great idea temporarily, but you would think the EU would by her hand off because isn't that kind of thing that they would quite like? Well, no, because what we're doing is taking advantage of the EU club without necessarily making any particular contribution in return. So yes, they could accept it if they wanted to. But the point is indivisibility rules. And if you're going to be a full member of the club, you have to accept everything wizard is will we don't want free movement of people. So we'd want to retain all the advantages, the customs union, but we were still would want to leave and stop the free movement and correct right now, let's assume that all of those anybody still awake at this point. Just let us know. Let's assume for a moment, the all of that deadlock is broken at some stage and Adidas agreed and Theresa May manage special deal with the other twenty seven leaders and then Geraldo champagne and classrooms for everyone. She comes back to Westminster. Did can't get it through parliament. Yes, and that's correct. So I it somebody with close to trees may said this was like a king on a chess board, just being surly pursued square by square around the board everywhere she turns she's got an enemy in parliament, self. The labor party have said, we've got six tests to see whether this deal is good enough if it doesn't mean I six tests will vote it down. Now, six tests is quite low to pause on the Charleston's all they will vote it down within her own party. There's rump of a hotline breaks tears who also likely to vote it down to the numbers are against her a, meanwhile, the DP. Is also potentially they've. She said, yes, we will support the government, but they potentially could say off rows, invite it down which point you are in deadlock because that's trees. A who's been negotiating hauled with her team for eighteen months only to be have the ankles kicked out from her by her own side. I mean, I hope we've monies to clear this up for everybody listening, but I can't help, but but conclude that what I should do after leaving the studio is start stockpiling, Tim goods. Well, the the thing is about these negotiations. Historically is that deals come through very, very late things happen, people conversations happen. Third, fourth, fifth ways of found little threads tied together on corners, and people always looking for a solution. So there's one suggestion that it may not be until December, maybe February that we come to a deal and the trees may almost as present something as a fatal completes, the twenty seven them having already privately agreed it. It will get signed off before Arlene forces the pecan kick up. And then on Wego that is one way of proceeding. However, the each win seven also now opening talk about new deal. Francis announced its plans for what fees is Brits would might need. If they say long within three months already, exa chancellor of the exchequer Nigel Lawson as a head of the game, he's got French residency despite being Abrek steer. He's already in filling in his paperwork when. Surprising one one rule for some well, as as we often say, when we discuss Brexit, it sounds like it's going really well during the dick. Thank you very much in just a moment. We'll learn about the letters from ordinary Americans that were constant part of Barack Obama's time in the White House. Before that, though, here are some of the day's other top stories. Nineteen people known to have been killed with dozens more injured in a shooting at a college in Crimea teenage student run through the campus firing at fellow people's before killing himself. The also being reports that a bomb went off in the colleges canteen before the eighteen year old Teke started shooting. Large crowds prevented women from entering one of the holiest Hindu temples despite in stark legal ruling last month. The supreme court insisted that women must be allowed into the seven amount of temple in Carolina, but angry crowds blocked the entrance and attacked women who tried to enter noise. Prime minister has a huge an official apology to women who were mistreated over relationships. They had with German soldiers during the second World War Norway was invaded by the Nazis in one thousand nine hundred forty and it stalled as many as fifty thousand Norwegian. Women had relationships with German soldiers after the war. They were targeted for reprisals and accused of betraying the country few of the women who suffered. Such treatment or alive today to hear the apology. This is the monocle daily. Now during his eight years in the White House, Barack Obama received around ten thousand letters every day, and every day ten of those letters were selected to be given to the president who would read them and reply to them a Bama whilst the first president to interact daily with that male to the White House. The journalist jeanmarie Lasca says written about it in a new book which is called to a bomb, and she is with me in the studio. This started in is an article in the New York Times which a bomb said, was his single favourite story of his presidency. He did. He wrote me a very nice note about that. The reason he cited was because the staffers who worked in that mailroom he was so pleased to hear how they were doing what they were doing. All those eight years. He asked for a Representative sample and made it clear that he meant that. So some would be critical. Some would be thanking him. Many of them would just be stories from. Some everyday people talking about what life was like for them having some economic problems or health problems. I mean, the range was all over the place. The staff though really looked for letters that were emotionally moving to kind of give him the emotional temperature of America. At any given day. We said Bama was the first president to interact with these letters in this way to this depth. Why? Why did he want to do that? He said it on the second day, he got into office that he wanted a Representative sample of mail each day. He wanted to stay connected knowing that the White House would be a bubble that he would be. They would no longer have access as he as he would have had on the campaign to what people were feeling. You could get it in polls. You could measure arguments, but what were people feeling he wanted to know? And this was a a mechanism that he. He thought maybe could provide that information for him and he kept it up bowling, eight years. So in the book you go through some of the letters, the Houston over the whole eight years of the presidency and his replies, and you know, you will speak to some of the people who were going through the mail and choosing the letters for the president. Does a picture emerge of the kind of messages that he gets? Definitely what you see. A lot people writing in moments of desperation, whether or not they thought the president was going to read it. Almost everyone said, I never thought he would read this thing, almost everyone or you. They would even write that in their letter. I know you'll never see this, but for some reason they needed to reach out. They needed to be hurt. They needed at least say what they needed to say. Oftentimes it was something that just, you know, devastating happens and you don't have anyone to talk to see right to the president on what kind of responses, because I know that in some cases he there are people who write to him in a critical of policy. And then they get a reply that begins by thanking them for the no, but quite often takes them on point by point and disagrees with them dismantles their argument in in some detail. Sometimes we'll be it very politely. But then the other time you say you have people writing in real desperation. It was really extraordinary to to watch the responses, and you know, obviously he's not writing back to every single ten of those every day, but he's choosing which ones he's going to write personal responses to in his own hand. So many of them were the the people that were taking them on and what he perceived as misunderstanding his policy. And so he takes the time to actually say, you know, know you. You're not understanding my point and giving as you say, you know, point-by-point debating points saying, here's what I meant by that, and I need you to take me literally here. I, I mean it was extraordinarily that he would take on that often if he was like, you know, angry, he he would. He would write back. One of the things is interesting is that some much politics is about dealing with the. Media and dealing with voters through the media. That's how you reach individual voters is by appearing on television appearing on radio making campaign commercials. Here's a thing. I think probably a lot of people who didn't necessarily like a bomb will view as very positive thing. Lose powerful man in the world is taking time every day to read these letters and respond to them. But a lot of people didn't know this was not something that was shouted from the rooftops. He really wasn't. And that's one of the reasons I wanted to write about it. I didn't know at the end of his administration, I heard he been doing this whole eight years really wasn't done for show. Certainly, you know, it's sort of like democracy in action. This is a president who wanted to listen. This was something that we're not used to anymore in America, and it was a, it's an interesting sort of almost old fashioned response to the mo-modern way of communicating directly with a politician. People feel quite free now to tweet a prime minister with the most polling insults didn't like them on. They probably would get. Apply, they might get blocked. But here's a situation where you can write to the president of the United States will be in a very small John's, but he may personally right back to you and not only that if he doesn't personally right back to you in at least during a bomber years, that army of staff, they were opening every single piece of mail. Someone was reading it and you're getting something back even if it was just a policy letter, they prided themselves on, you know, we're going to be a megaphone for these letter writers. We're going to get word out to senior staff that these kinds of issues are happening, or we're going to get, you know, feeding these letters to speechwriters. It became much bigger than just reaching the president. He was really the the whole administration then got in on it. So they're all policy-making implications that you can learn about the country. You'll governing by listening in a way that I think politics is probably as a rule tend not to well, in this case in particular, what's so interesting is to look at this sort of body of letters. These this archive and you can see movement particularly in the early early years when for example, LGBTQ rights people writing in a lot. Like I wanna get married, I can't get married. What's the matter? What's the matter? Or my husband is serving in the military and he's not allowed to say that that he's married to a man. This is this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong in the early mail, and then you see mid, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. These voices were being heard. They really were whether or not they were. It was articulated in speeches right in the moments, but you could see change. You could see change you, you talk of change. You can't help looking at the letters, but draw comparison between the last president who is the first person to do this and his reading these letters and on creates a culture in the White House of treating all these leads to seriously. I'm the current president who you imagine is probably not. Sitting down night to read individual letters being written by citizens. You know what's so interesting about that as a, we don't know. I've asked many times, can I have access? Can I find out what's going on in the mail room? I've written letters and it's just blocked. So my son is not much happening. Aside from the interesting stories of the individual letters on the story of an element of how a bomb of you'd his role as president. Do you think there is something that if other politicians not just in America about listening to individuals about connecting more intimately but deeply maybe with voters wants wom that it helps them to understand issues probably affecting a lot more people than a writing to them. I just think this concept of listening of politicians or elected officials listening and the role of empathy in all of this is misunderstood and not really ever articulated. A lot of these, for example. Letter writers. What matter to them was when they found out that essentially they mattered that their voice mattered and it didn't mean that anybody had to do anything about it, but just that there was someone listening absolutely fascinating series of stories in the book is called to a bomb team. Relax Kaz. Thank you very much coming in. Time. Now for this week's tool story, which heads to all slow in a form of government building, which has been left in limbo since the terrorist attack seven years ago called the y block because of its shape its future is a massive debate. Some have said it should be demolished, but others won't to retain it Malays because it has a mural designed by Pablo Picasso, his design it. It's Nolan Giles. On a snowy winters day. Last year, I find myself trudging through Oslo city center. When I saw a building such a striking nature, I was halted in my tracks a curved concrete, brutally structure, some five stories, high wrapped its way around a quiet corner of the city centre with a nod to the nineteen fifties built UNESCO headquarters in Paris, and more than a hint of the neck ius style thrown into the design makes a new. I was staring at a modernist marvel on close inspection. The meticulous detail of its architecture makeup became more parents. The concrete that clambered around wooden window frames was given wolf by a rich, pebble dash texture, and a one facade stood a giant fresco. In a simple line drawing style. It was unmistakably work of all work very much inspired by Pablo Picasso and it scaled right up into the sky. Humbled by my discovery at dash to my appointment with the Norwegian architect who revealed that. Indeed, the mural featuring local fisherman casting their nets into the sea was Picasso's and the building itself known as why blocker or why block was formerly part of The Hague's q. of the Norwegian government, an architectural masterpiece from the nation's modernist era by Arlington Victor. But why were the windows all boarded up? I asked and where were the hordes of architectural appreciate is snapping its fine wools on their phones. And then I learned the tragic story of Vic, shes and Picasso's masterpiece in two thousand and eleven just one month after government. Consensus was reached to preserve the nineteen sixties building and its system building the hates block the car bomb attack that marked the start of the nation's most horrific terrorist incident rip through the two buildings eat all started around three thirty on a Friday afternoon in Oslo. The capital of Norway explosions from a car bomb rock, several government buildings, including the offices of the prime minister, killing at least seven people and injuring dozens more. The bomb killed eight of the seventy seven people who were murdered in the bloodiest day in Norway's history. Since the second world will while both buildings were left structurally sounds security fears and the haunting memory of that day. A two of the reasons why the why block will soon meet the wrecking bowl as the Norwegian government plans to rebuild a new, hey, q. on the sites, but many Oslo and far beyond a fighting back for the y block. And when you dig a little deeper into its architecture history, it's obvious why they're doing this. Despite those more conventionally minded seeing the building as a bit of a brute it's designed is in fact a true homage to the nature of Norway that pebble dash concrete. So warm in character was in fact a material pioneered by Vic, which he called his natural concrete and it features, thousands of small stones gathered from the nation's streams and rivers. The materials contrast against the sandblasted elements which was designed to be used as giant campuses for artistic works is so beautiful that when Picasso I saw pictures of the proposal, he dashed straight out to his garden elated to show his gardener just what could be achieved with concrete. It's a building of art and architecture and Victor even took reference from the storied stave churches of Norway in its design. These timber churches managed to be both marvelously Onate and practical inform and webcast off the architect, how long his building was going to last. The reply was about one thousand years after all. Some of these stave timber churches are still standing despite being older than a thousand years. But while people like Siri Hume from the society for the preservation of Norwegian ancient monuments and other local action groups continue to raise awareness for this buildings, profound design plans to destroy it. Motorola heads that will be at least a considered effort to somehow preserve the giant Picasso mural from the building. Yet this works real value was in bringing both artists an architect together to create something more powerful than both of disciplines could muster individually to simply chop the mural off the building and place it somewhere else as a monument would be a disservice to both because so and fixture today, pressure mounts quickly on governments in reaction to terrorism twelve, a safe solutions for citizens, and these decisions are not always the best ones for the city. The y block can no longer be seen as a safe building, but the debate surrounding its destruction points to one of the greatest challenges of our city. Planners, those in office need to make us feel safe enough cities, but maintain urban fabrics that give us a sense of place, highlight history and promote the civic pride. We all crave. Nolan Giles on the future that building in all slow yoga sitting to the monocle daily. 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If I may use attempt to fall in the metoo scandal, which has now hit India in the last two or three weeks. A lot of allegations have been made against quite a big celebrities in the creative industries. MJ Egbert who's estate minute union state minister for external affairs was one of the most brilliant journalists in India. He has launched several papers at the first political magazine, and the allegations have come from twenty one female journalists, different points of time. The main allegations since nineteen ninety four. When it started a paper called the Asian Age, I, I. Only an implicated in this scenario because I, I was also working with the newspaper the same time. I know the journalists were making these allegations. The newspaper is to be called him Jaguars heroin. So we all knew this was happening. No one taught anything of it because that was the way male power worked in journalism, his immediate reaction to it. He was in Nigeria when this the story broke was that of course, this is nothing. He has gone to court filing a definition and information case against one of the journalists who started this conversation, but finally has resigned today. Now the two things to it. The one is the BJP let government has never let a asked any of their ministers and there have been around since two thousand fourteen to resigned, been various candles entering the prime minister who has been alleged of fortunes educational qualifications that have been other ministers who've been implicated in various d- you know corruption cases, but no one has been asked to leave because the BJP. Government had learned from its earlier governments of the governor congress, whenever ministers resigned, there was no stopping it kept on happening in the government look, very frail. So even this time they had kind of stayed off from this conversation. But the pressure from the fourth estate was so much. And so many journalists came together such an outcry that personally am just position, became untenable. I strongly that someone in this position, particularly when there is that culture just not giving in to pressure is, is it just a sense that this the does the government feel that there's something in this or do they feel that this is just something that they can't be seen to ignore. But again, none of the the government spokesperson, the prime minister, no one has said anything except that MJ Berg will be asked to defend himself an MG tried to, but there was no tacit support for him, nor was there any open condemnation. So. He was left on his own in a sense and he's his, you know, his a big boy. He knows every second lawyer in the country. He knows all the all the politicians, all the industries, but this was a personal, very personal attack, and then he's learned, man, you cannot take is written several books again as he's one of the big edit does. So after appoint, this pressure became too much. So this is a personal decision and the government never forced. But the point now is that this is the start and you will see over the next few months, several personalities, especially from Bollywood other journalists, this. This is rampant as you know, in the old school net all boys network, which happens everywhere, and India is no exception. But this is big. This is a big moment for this movement in India. Let's move onto another story now because why has the disappearance of certain types of cereal caused health problems? So this is this is a long term story. This has been happening since the nineteen fifties. Now there's been a major stuff. Done, which has examined over eight hundred thousand families and seeing that nutrition, especially iron intake has civilly dropped in India. This is a case in South Asia, but India, a particularly big story because in India, apparently in the nineteen, fifties and sixties. The green revolution took place where we became independent of imports for food and this was the use, the use of pesticides started and rice, and we'd started to be distributed to the public distribution network in India with subsidizes food for the poor. Now, in this we moved away from traditional food maize barley, Ruggie the course grades, and this change the habit of generations of food intake. And suddenly you found that post eighty s and post ninety s the food quality really went down now must yes and the Nobel laureate medicine and Georgia's has done get another big study which shows that. Post nine supposed liberalisation post the structure and adjustments and the IMF coming in the food intake of families in rural India was less than what happened was being the situation during the Bengal famine with three million people died not the entire food patterns have changed. There is. Put this study alongside studies which tells you that look the per capita income has grown up, you know, India's almost middle plus now in it. So many people have moved out of the poverty. Yes, true. You get money, but he also have proposition. People move over from rural areas come to urban areas. They don't find food in rural areas. You're agriculture. Land is left bereft. Then you incentivize only a certain kind of crops like rice and beat and you pay money for that. So all of this failed policies not taking care of your farmers, a huge population. All of this result is resulting in a major health scare. The government has to spend millions in healthcare because of this, you know, and you have a position which would be a human resource. You having a population which is actually unhealthy. So this is this is something which doesn't bear very well for the next twenty thirty years. And this is a policy thicket of seventy years of bad policy. Well, as as that isn't. Wearing enough. Your your last story is about quality in Delhi? Yeah, I didn't have very happy story. Sorry, it's India's not in a very good place. This is a story in a has become routine. The start of every winter pose the Wally celebrations when firecrackers off the air quality in Delhi specially deteriorates heavily. Now you will have stories of flights being unable to land because of the smoke. Schools are closed because of pollution, but the daily building lobby, which bills in this massive malls and infrastructure and the transport lobbyists, so powerful that you cannot the government is almost unable to make any kind of real term adjustments to policy to cub this in China. This was a situation of a ten years of the really pulled back the Indian government, and this is not this particular government. We have been finding it almost impossible since the nineteen ninety s to do anything about this again, does it has happened? Water is becoming more and more infrequent, EPA quantities going down. And but three to four months of the daily becomes really unlivable. And this is just the start for the next four months. We'll find the quality getting worse and worse. And is it you mentioned the China as well. There's this about inability to do anything or unwillingness. Both in because the unwillingness, because any kind of radical change in policy means lot of immediate short term problems which the any government doesn't want to say. Because the moment to take on the transport lobby, the middle class gets hit private car owners get it. So you don't want to touch that. The moment you touch the building mafia. Again, the bills laws gets and this is your big vote blocks, and then they're the ones who control the media. You don't want to touch these people, and if you don't touch the this particular areas. The resultant thing is poor climate. As you say, it's not cheerful, but it is important. Some thank you, some passive, our with some of the stories in India. You're listening to the monocle daily from monocle twenty four. As an ice with Muslim forty, five thousand entries nearly one hundred countries this year. The wildlife photographer of the year competition is one of the most respected in its field. This years, grand win was the Dutch nature photographer must've Houston with a stunning picture to snub nosed monkeys on top of a rock in a forest in China. While Monaco's financial district Shekar attended the preview of this year's event area and spoke to myself. I was going to China to photograph landscapes, and I thought while I'm there, I might actually research if there's any wildlife that's interesting to photograph. Then I looked into the different kinds of wildlife that live in China, and then I found these monkeys. I'd never really seen them before, and I was immediately struck by how they look so very, very photogenic. And that's when I decided I need to go there to photograph these animals. Tell us a bit more about to general work. I always call myself in nature. Photographer because I like to photograph landscapes and wildlife. So I'd like to both and they're both very different. I just loved the natural world there. Each very different skill sets landscape requires a different kind of approached wildlife, but I think it's really helped me to grow as if the talker for to do both of those Jonas sometimes do some landscape and wildlife, and then some landscape, again, another division that you mentioned, some people, some people say, wildlife, photography's, inbetween of pro news reporting, and then arch piece in a way you've studied in an art school. Do you think art influence a lot of your pictures? The way that I think about photographs images in general is very much influenced by both my history in our school, but also I worked in expediting for fifteen years, and that has greatly influenced the way that I look at photographs. For instance. I learned advertising that your images needs to be extremely simple because people only spend like like a second, maybe looking at them. So I tried to also do that. They might photography very simple uncluttered images. The instantly have an impact. I'm very particular with how I want my images to be. And I really like a very graphic shapes and separated shapes and forest. Obviously, it's extremely difficult because there's just so many branches and leaves. There's always going to be a branch or some leaves that I find distracting. I find it a real challenge actually to work in the forest the so for many years I decided not to venture into forests for that reason, but I'm happy I did now every now and then you just have to move out of your comfort zone and try something that you're comfortable with because it will force you to think about solutions to solve your problems. I think that's what made the difference here. Because I actually had to come up with creative solutions to solve my problem with the clutter in the forest. And that was by using off-camera flesh. And of course we're dealing with monkeys. I presume quite unpredictable animals in a way and quite hard to take a picture of your. I mean, monkeys have very lively, so they they move a lot. They run the jump climb into the trees, so it's extremely unpredictable. What's going to happen? So you're always sort of like trying to follow them most of the time you're too late, but that's why it's super important to like really research researcher, your subjects and especially studied them because the moment you study their behavior after a while, you start to understand, okay, they might do this now or it might come down the tree. Now, once you know, that kind, she know that then you can actually try to be one step ahead or be better prepared. So when I took this shot, I sort of knew that there were moving in that direction. So I, I was able to be there when. They arrived that's important because otherwise, if you have only two or three seconds to get a shot, then you need to be fully prepared. What's your work like to work with assignments for different publications? Or do you decide what you do? Tell us a bit more for those who don't understand much the drove. I basically decide what I do. I just what I want when I decided to become a photographer. I also decided that I wanted to be in charge of my own creative products. So that's why I decide myself what I am going to photograph when where and how also I run photographic tours all around the world. So what I usually do is I just find a landscape or a subject that I think is really interesting and photogenic for myself, but also for my guests. And then I go scout that area. So I go there. I take a lot of photographs and see if it works if it really works, then I'll take a small group of people with me the next time, and then I'll teach them about photography how to get better images. And that was Monaco's Fernando district Shaka speaking to the winner of the wildlife photographer, the competition. How that exhibition opens at the natural history museum here in London on Friday, and that's it for this monocle daily. It was produced by Ben Reilly and Marcus hippie are such as Helena tree to liberty and Cassie alpine was Australia manager globalist eight hours out seven AM London time after all that wildlife talk. Let's leave you with a rather appropriate track for me. Poulsbo. Thanks for listening. Junk. That's what's bothering me to be a man man cop role Radin. Just like.

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