Ep #361: The Executive Athletes Podcast


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Very interesting conversation, hope you guys enjoy it as always, be sure you have a pen, pizza paper, sit back and really dive deep in today's interview. This is Ken Lubin, the host, and founder of the executive athletes, podcasts, and welcome to this week's episode ONA think everyone that's been listening and thank you for the comments and feedback. They're awesome and are incredible help in this journey to making this podcast, better and better, each episode once again, this is unscripted unedited as I believe, is the best way to get the really know the guest and you may hear a couple dogs barking in the background from time to time we try to keep it out. But you never know what these beasts can do. So this week's guest is calling Morgan and Collins got a pretty unique story. Like you say you knew unique, just like everyone else, but call into professional golfer, who then turned a successful entrepreneur and a few years ago. Call and found themselves caught in the daily grind of business of golf of just life in general. And he felt unfulfilled and certainly he was not making the money wanted to make so he left his job and set out on his own, and I've talk. Many of you guys about this, and really taking that next step and calling stumbled around until he found someone who could show him the way. And that was the key is finding a coach and finding a mentor. And now in his now he has purpose, and he looks forward to every day with renewed enthusiasm. Here's a great religious relationship, a growing business, and an insatiable appetite for learning like most of us, and he started and develop the daily grind podcast to help people who are just like he was and his podcast is pretty unique at Erez five days a week on like ours, who's really one day a week and features some of the world's most fascinating, people is guests include the world's hop on entrepreneurs and other highly influential people call hopes to educate and inspire listeners to do what you have always wanted to do. Maybe that is right in your own book or starting to side hustle. His goal is to motivate educate. Inspire people do that. One thing you've always wanted to do start your own business, so call and welcome. Aboard and we'd love to, you know here who call him Morgan is from your own perspective. Can I don't think he's saying any anybody? I was one of the best interests of ever had. They first of all, thanks, so much revenue on the show. Awesome. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean for people who are being first introduced me, I think can kinda covered everything. I'm really just someone who is trying to better myself every day. No matter what I do with passion, and purpose, and hopefully, help little or some of you out there to really push forward towards reaching a your biggest goals that you have, or, or those desires that you want out of life. So that's, that's mean a nutshell, I love sports, love business, elope helping people. That's awesome. So let's start with your golf career. Tell us a little bit about that in the evolution of that yet you know what from a young age. I love sports. It was really all I ever thought about Ken. That I always wanted to be a professional athlete growing up in Canada that started with wanting to play in the NHL, and then I kind of found goals and for me, I thought that Gulf would be the best avenue to reach a being a professional athlete and reaching the PGA tour and I fell in love with it. I saw huge results at the beginning. I had a decorated junior Amador career which led me into getting a full scholarship to the US where I played two years and openly turned professional and did, so for about three years and. The professional career didn't go as planned for me. I think a lot of times when from young age, you put all your passion and everything all your attention into one thing. You can attach your identity to that. And when things don't go. Well, you feel like a loser yourself in that happened to me. I felt like because I wasn't seeing the results I was seeing a junior in Amador that I was a failure and not just a failure golfing in life, and I started to become really unhappy with the sport didn't like it and had to find a different career path. But, you know, going back to question for you can with golf is just I, I always loved Gulf. I love team sports. But I love the feeling of having it all on me, and just the preparation in just the quietness and being alone with myself on a golf course the club in my hand. That's what really drew me to it. And you had mentioned you know about your identity right? This golf was. Identity. I'm sure for for some time love time. And I think a lot, that's where people, you know. They get caught up in that. And I, I don't know if they know it's their identity, but that's all they really have to live for at that point. How did you make that switch going from being, you know, call him Morgan professional golfer to Cullimore successful entrepreneur? It took probably about two and a half three years after I had decided that goal wasn't for me and I wanted to find something else. Like I said, when you attach that identity to the sports, it takes a really long time for you to like, cumulate yourself to life afterwards. Right. It's like what am I doing? What are my skills like everything new would work towards for people there who are doing what you love her in a job. It's like just that being taken away from you, and you have to start from scratch, and for me, it was a process of me having to more so kind of find myself than he'll, and learn from others and listen to podcasts and read books and figure out what was out there in one thing, I did do. Really? Well as I failed that a lot of businesses that I tried. But the one thing I can attribute a lot of what have now too. Is that I tried. And when I was never stagnant. I never not did anything whether that was taking a job or whether it was trying to start. Business. A my always was doing something and through that education through the action. That's what led me into alternately become an entrepreneur while, and what have what did you do between your golfing career and then into the podcast world? Tell us a little bit about that. Some of the businesses that you fail that because I think those are the best learnings is always believe me. I fail every day I can tell you that. So do I, I wanted to get into on, like the online business world, I started to read re people who did, they'll webinars, and sold online courses? So I thought I would teach golf online, and then I figured out that it wasn't really my passion, I wouldn't be able to help people in or work. So I stopped doing that. And then I saw people making money through building online stores. So I'm like I can do this drop shipping. Game critic shop. Affi- store also products passion products, the people. And again, I did it solely for the reason of money. So when I realized they met. A work that I had to do. I stopped, and then I tried to I got into the car business. So I started working with a friend family friend who was in house financing. So for those people don't know what that is. If people can't afford cars, they would come to us, and we would sell them like thirty percent interest rates on monthly payments. It was crazy. So I thought I was gonna open a car dealership with my brother, which ultimately, we didn't thankfully, then I was a I worked as a server bartender was hotel manager of golf course manager. She's the list goes on, and literally tried everything. And that was all in like I said two and a half three year spans. I never I was gonna I sold international real estate. Like I, I really was trying to find what I wanted to do that is, you know, that's it, though. Because you learn what you know you don't wanna do. Right. I think that's the key. It's true. You learn what you don't want to do in the biggest thing is you pick up skills. So for the goal of business, I learned how to create an online course I learned how to run a webinar in the car business. I learned what it took to put together a deal in all the paperwork that took in how to structure it properly in how a business makes money in bartending in and serving in the hotel business. In golf course business. You've learned personal relationships selling international real estate learned about sales. So all these things that I tried and failed that I picked up a new skill and then that all encompassed into what I'm doing now. Right now that's an tell us about what you're doing now. The daily grind. And podcasts, this sounds amazing. Yeah. You know what it was? I got onto entrepreneurs on fire. So John Lee Dumas had one of the most popular podcast was the first one, I listened to, and he was interviewing people seven days a week and I fell in love with it. And I was working with my father at the time and I ended up being a guest on his show, and it was a thirty minute episode is kind of weird to be quite honest. But I love them like, wow. This is a really unique way to share my message what I do. So I wanted to do it and like anything else I really felt like five days a week for me was away in which I could commit to something in do it longtime long-term because for me at the time I'd been kind of jumping jobs and doing different things and I felt like if I did it once a week would be sort of a win, commit fully to it, so five days a week and a year and a bit later here we are in that stemmed into me. Now, helping people with marketing and working with some professional athletes to help them better be prepared to transition for life outside of sports. And that's was, you know when we. I started started chatting, I think that was a couple of things that brought us together is the podcasting thing. But I think also making that transition from athlete to non athlete. Right. I think you know, I've done stuff for the US Olympic Committee of done. I've helped countless others just trying to make that transition because I know when I struggled from leaving college from the ski world and coaching, and then all of a sudden, like oh shit. What am I gonna do? Now. Totally your identity is gone. Right. You're, you know, you're calling Morgan the golf are hours can Lubin the skier and the cyclist and it's like all right now going to be a head hunter. I'm going to go do this. I'm going to do that. You know talk to us about making that transition. And some of the things you're helping others, you know with that transition, because I know a lot of people listening are in the process of making making that transition as well. Yet the most important thing to do is make that transition now. So if you're in a sport if you're a professional athlete. The biggest thing you have right now is what every entrepreneur every business person could ever want. That is attention. And you can think about this can like when you were skiing in your cyclist, you had banned people supported you people in the community who would do anything for you, and that goes away, when you retire, that goes away when you find do a new profession, you decide to do something different. But if you start now in, you can take case studies like what Steph Curry's doing Danny green with the Toronto Raptors to these year in Toronto? These guys are starting podcasts and LeBron James, their attention is outside of sport because they are smart enough. First of all, to realize that it's going to happen. But ultimately, what they've done in this is a lot to do with money. But it's something that athletes can do now is they built a team around them. So they're helping them be prepared to transition because, as an athlete, you wanna focus one hundred percent on your sport. That's what made you successful. But if you can surround yourself with the team. Of people who can help you in those different areas will bats really when you can expand out. And when you do retire, you're ready. You're prepared an ultimately can like I believe that you should be excited because you have all these things that you've been working on for so long, and now it's just such a seamless transition. But I think it really the biggest thing people have to do is start now and not wait until after they retire. What, what would you say a college person? Right. Who has those are their identity college of anything, you know, I think you do the same thing. Right. Start now start preparing yourself after college creating your own personal brands, but also the easiest thing you can do is starch create a personal brand is, is create an Instagram account just post every day post, what you're doing. Like if you're in college post your daily routines, like practice work at what you're eating how you prepare for the game. Maybe after in the locker room give like little, you know. Interview a teammate like there's so many different things that you can do. They're actually really super fun. That can help you better be prepared his even in college. Like a lot of people are going to college. Again, you have fans you have teams you have coaches, you have a whole school who's behind you. So if you actually do something, you're gonna have all of that support. And like I said, you don't want that to go away. And then you start something right now. And I think that's what's, you know, crazy, right? Because they think it's just going to be easy, and the second you say you're tired, you're done. It's over. Right. You know, you're forgotten they're moving onto the next person. Yeah. And the stats for themselves. Like, I think the average athlete lifespan is five and a half years ninety percent of athletes will make ninety percent of their money between ages twenty and thirty. And what that means is, when people are other people are starting to start seeing some money in success athletes. Careers are over the amount of money that they make for their. Life is over like it doesn't have to be that way. Not at all. No. And like you said it's probably easier, you know. Easier than ever while it is easier than ever than, you know, to go out and create your own personal brand. And I'm sure you're probably doing that with the daily grind. Tell us tell us about your podcast, the daily grind. It's, you know, it's, it's creating Colin Morgan. But it's also creating this community of entrepreneurs and that's really what it is executive. And it's the same thing that you find here, Ken with your podcast. Like the biggest thing is, is the people that I've been able to meet, and networking like outside of being able to provide people with value like the men of how you that I found and being able to interview, people is, is endless and people always talk about, you know, Email lists or growing a growing fan base. Like I just look at the three hundred plus people that I've interviewed in, like that's three hundred people who were super valuable and not just who I think are valuable, but who the marketplace thinks is valuable and that is an amazing, no matter what you do if you can have people. Around you who are successful in something when you need something real to go simply ask for it, and having the humility I in order to do that, but it starts sort of building that community. It's probably the same thing you found on the show year, Ken, right? It's like it's just a community that you build. It's the people you meet in. It's, it's everything. It's definitely six degrees of Kevin bacon. Right. It's amazing. I've a play this game with friends of mine. But it's like, hey, if you need to get in touch with the president, or if you need to get in touch with this person. How many people would you actually need to call to get in touch with that person? And it's amazing. What your network is? Right. It's, it's creating that network. It's making that network, go viral and believe me, you know, there's things I've done that worked really well. And there's things I've done that have blown up, you know, in my face spectacularly, but I think it's really, you know, offering that insight and trying to really offer enough. I don't know if it's a vice or as much as insight right of what works and what doesn't work, and that's you know, by interviewing people, you get that from them, you know, like I said, earlier, it's easier to copy genius and create mediocrity. But everyone your chatting with someone that's supposed to be there. Right. You're supposed to be chatting with that person for some reason or another. It's true people relate to stories like, people don't relate to someone saying you should be doing this, or do this, or do that people relate to hearing someone else's story and being able to take one thing from it being like allow he was in the same position as as, as I was. And he did this will I could do that right now? Like it's not all the all the time. It's not about trying to get everything out of it. It's just about being able to take one little thing from each interviewer, one little thing from someone that you speak to an oftentimes instead of just trying to bark at someone to say, no find a mentor do this, or do that. It's, it's often through telling your story and others sharing. Their story that people really find that connection when you find that connection, I feel like that's really what Tross you drives you to take the action and, you know, in of the people, you've interviewed, what do you think the common theme of is right? You know, theme of success and becoming an entrepreneur or team of success in life. What you know, if you could say in four or five sentences or less. What do you think that is? You know it's so tough. But the one thing I've taken from it is your thoughts control your behaviors in the behaviors control your actions, and the results, you're seeing right now are direct reflection of the behaviors that you have. So if you wanna change your behaviors you need to change your thoughts. So I can expand on that, if you wouldn't mind can. Yeah. That'd be awesome. Yeah. So ultimately like the way I feel like making changes. There's five steps and I look at fist right? If you when you make a fist takes five fingers, all five fingers. And if this is like the universal symbol for power. Right, if you want to be powerful, if you make like a, a great run skiing. Can you like this pump at the bottom of the hill? Right. Exactly. And if you're angry, you make that this, like, it's just simply what we as humans do so way. Look at it is the first thing you have to do. Number one is you have to admit that you need to change. So you need to admit that what you're doing right now isn't working, or isn't. Fully working in you need to change. And once you admit that you need to change than you will ultimately change a number two, once you admit that change. Now, you start to become really self aware of those bad and losing behaviors and thoughts that you have throughout the day. So all of those patterns that you've created in your life you start to pick up on those things like when you start to have self doubt you go to the coach instead of going to the gym, so you can start to pick up on those negative self-talk in those bad behaviors become self aware when you become self aware leads the number three, which is. Excuse me. Number three is the honeymoon stage. So it's the ring fingers, high say, okay. So this is when you start to replace the bad behaviors with the good behaviors in this is where people see the greatest results early on. It's like going to the gym you see all the biggest impact like the first month right Ken because you start to replace those bad behaviors. Good behavior to eat properties. Are actually work out for the first time this. When you see the biggest results another fourth thing is, is the easiest to break. It's often. Thought of last but is really the second most important thing that you need to do in that have consistency. So now that you've replace those bad behaviors. Good behaviors need to be consistent with it every single day. And to speed this up the glue that holds everything together, which is your thumb, which creates that this, that's having a purpose. That's having a vision for what you need. So those days that you don't feel like getting out those days, you don't feel like going to the gym or doing whatever you need to do. You can go back and say, what do I really want life? You can visualize it. So clearly in your mind that it just drives you to keep moving forward. What do you suggest the people that are sort of searching for they're searching for they're calling, right? You know what? What? What would you tell them be like, hey, I don't really know what I wanna do. The worst thing you can do is think about it. Hi thing. Okay. So I would just say, take action do something build a new skill taken online course you can go to Yuna me and take courses for fifteen dollars to learn about marketing about sales or learn about anything but from that, if you could probably relate to this Ken, I didn't know I was gonna like podcasting until about a weekend and then I really found a passion for it. But if I were to just sit there and think, you know what's next for me. I'd still be sitting there. And what's next for me? I'd still be in the same position. Right. So it's just about taking action learning a skill. It's definitely all about throwing the ball lines off right in overcoming, overcoming outings -iety, and I think like you had mentioned it's admit into yourself. Number one. Number two, it's just saying even if you're scared just do it. Right. It's sort of like the night and the ad. But I think it's creating that momentum. And that's where people, I think a lot of people in Spain. Port in business. Get caught and they get stuck is because they don't have that momentum right there momentum. His always been there for them has been given to them. I think you know, in golf, or an individual sports, you have to create that momentum. I think it's all different sometimes with team sports and team environments where, you know, the momentum is of it's given to you. But it's still, you know, there's a camaraderie around that and the, but in order to survive in that team world's be the best, you know, you're, you're almost your own individual anyways, and, you know, they always have the most momentum and they bring the others up. Exactly can relate so much to sport. Right. And exactly what you said. And for some reason, people think that sports is you have to be different when you're in business or not. You're poor like when you're in sport, you have a coach you've nutritionist if someone that helps you with all these different things. But in business loves times, people don't have anything. So if you can go back and be like, imagine I started playing golf and I didn't have any how. Help would I have played professionally would I have gotten a scholarship? Absolutely not. It takes more than just talent. Right. No. And believe me. Yeah. You know, surrounding yourself number one with the right people. But just jumping in. I think it's, it's just taking action right as step one, and that's where I think that's where the anxiety for most people. Really? That's their issue because they, they don't know where to go and where to begin, you know, one of the things I always talk about if you follow me at all online is getting outside that comfort zone, right trying to become comfortable being uncomfortable because, you know, then then I think it becomes addictive. And then you become bored when you not uncomfortable right? And then you get yourself into all types of other, you know, trouble either go to bed. It's too he started. It's very easy to, to not take action because I mean, we live everyone, so judgmental, right in it's so easy to be pigeonholed with what your aunt says about your, which your friends are going to say about you. But, like just think about that for a second, like you really. That's where it goes back. If you wanna make a change need to admit that you need to make a change first and foremost, like you need to admit that haven't really done everything the way, I needed it to be done in need to change things. I truly believe it starts there, because I think, like I don't know about you, but like that, for me, was the most difficult thing is look at myself in the mirror and to be like, for the last two years of, really flushed, my life, down the toilet, and I need that not happen anymore, right? Let's yeah. And that's where, you know, sometimes they say rock bottoms, the best place to go because it's a, it's a solid foot in to, to, to step on to build something upon through, you know, like you're saying admitting it is, is probably the most difficult thing. But I think once you admit it in your accept it, I think is probably the the best thing, and I know we use sports because -secutive athletes as a metaphor, but I think it's not just sports. It's music. It's art. It's being a program or a business person. Person or whatever it is. Right. It's just where you're passionate is and admitting because we all know when we're doing something wrong, no matter what. Right. We know don't work hard enough on this. We know we didn't eat right? You know for this race or for this event or we all know that. My buddies are out. You know, I should be trained and when they're party in. Willpower. Didn't work that night or something like that. But like you said, is admitting it is, is the first step in once you had mitt it. You can just go anywhere from there. Yeah. And we like no one's perfect. I had those same problems all the time. Right. And like I realized, you know, in social settings, I'm one of those people that dislikes the you'll have a beer with friends, right? And I feel awkward when I don't but knowing that now I can actually may be decide to make a change. Right. And it's when you just continue the cycle over and over and over again, as I think it starts become a little bit. Little bit dangerous does now in what about, you know, your thoughts about starting your podcast, you know, I know a lot of people, I've sort of given my advice, but I'd love to hear someone else's advice on what are your thoughts about starting a podcast in, in going about it? And, and taking that leap into it. Yeah. I mean it really depends it it's person to person it depends on your goals, but. For the simple fact of you being able to sit behind a mic in speak in even if like I truly believe, can even if you didn't air it out ten buddy, even if you just spoke on microphone for twenty minutes, a day about what you were feeling like it's so therapeutic, because anytime you're able to share your story, your share what you're feeling it helps you heal, and if you can take that one step further shared out with people, I mean, that's when you can really start to make a change on people's lives, and whether that be sharing your story or sharing. Other people story is super amazing in it's in business. It's all about attention. Right. And if you can have fans and if you can have people who are by your side, who cheer for you. It's super easy to come up with a product or service to be able to help them. Because at that point, you can have maybe a hundred people or listen to your podcast and send out a survey and say, hey, would you guys struggling with ABC and they're struggling with C will, now you may be create a sir. Service or create a product, which you're going to help them with C and be able to solve that. Now I love that. I love that. I think like you said, it's, it's therapeutic right to, to, to talk to someone to talk to people about it. And I think I can't tell you how much it's helped me just business wise by going back and listen to my own my original podcast. Right of. Hi. Yeah. I do. Right. Or what I don't or what I do wrong or how my voice works this way or that way. And it's crazy. But and I remember the first few I was hesitant to listen to them. Number one, the number two like, oh my God. This is crazy right in finding your voice. I think is, is probably the biggest thing I think if any advisor gives the people who wanna start a podcast or start sort of in the world of social media, just finding your voice and sticking with your voice one hundred percent and in it's all about starting right? Like it's the same thing that I've reiterated from the beginning of the show, Ken like if you want us, if you're thinking about starting a podcast started. Don't worry about how it's gonna look. Don't worry about how you're gonna get your logo. Don't worry about the microphone. You're gonna use. Don't worry about are you going to market? It just start. It do the first one, I promise you, if you do the first one, it will start to create that, that snowball effect that you were even talking about again. I'll definitely. Yeah. It's huge. It's really, it's really now those are the pieces, right? It's just get rolling and it same with working out at same with doing a sales job. It's picking up the phone, one more time, right? Or picking up the phone that one more time, just initially picking up the phone. I remember you know, when I started in sales and started in recruiting. That was the scariest thing ever was picking up the phone, and then, number two, the next thing was actually talking to someone. Next number three was, you know in my head, I was ready for failure. But I think there was probably as much of a fear of success, as well. Right. Because I what, what would happen if they say is true, right? It's true. And I think like we're talking earlier from the mine is, you know, is son struggling because he doesn't know how to win right? It's and that's more people are more people is not that he doesn't know how to win. He doesn't have the maturity of it because people. There's coming in first place and there's winning right? And I think it's when you start getting higher a higher level as a lot harder to win. It's, it's a different mindset. It's you have to think about things differently, and it's a learned trait exactly the learn how to win. You have to learn how to win it takes it takes years of winning to learn how to win, especially properly. And it's like it, it goes back to even golfer. It's like focusing at the beginning, it's focusing on the process, not the results, right? It's not looking at wooded, Jimmy, and John shoot. But, like, would we have in front of me? What can I control because if we look way ahead of us, I'm probably the same with you is skiing, right? Like if you were to thought I need to hit this time or do this before I get down to the bottom of the hill. You wouldn't have executed which you need to execute. It's about focusing, what you can control which is right in front of you. That's exactly right. I think that's what separates the best from, you know, everyone else if. Look at tiger. You'll look bowed your, your look at Lindsay or Lindsey, Vonn or any of those guys, they know how to win no matter what. Right. The cards are stacked against them. They're going to go out and they're gonna lay it out there and make it happen. And I think, you know, there should be a study on that, and there should be people, you know, I'm sure the sports psychologists about it. But I think the fear of success is probably even more than the fear of failure. It is. And I think people have a really difficult time admitting that right. Like they're fearful of success, and you don't want to admit that because you feel like you sound like a loser, right? I get it. Like I almost felt like that before too. You're so fearful of your fear of failing. But, like what if I succeed, like am I not going to have the same friends like with my family, look at me differently? Like people can start asking me for money like it, hold you back from what you're comfortable with Jess. No, it's a, it's a crazy thing. But it's you know, it's something that I've really been thinking about, and pondering, a lot recently is that it's that I think that, like I said holds more people back from being successful than the fear of failure rate the field. We're so trained that, you know what? Oh, good job. Johnny you did. Great now. Oh, okay. Great. But reality, it's like no giada. You didn't win. What, what do you need to do to win? And they think the, the commitment that it takes to become, you know the one percent or the, you know point zero one percent is so astronaut. Hi, it's Asam topic. And there's very few people that are willing to really lay that on the line. Number one, number two have the mindset actually to be able to push through that, right? And I think it's, you know, it's athletes, it's politicians business people. And there's, there's a bit of ruthlessness involves toe. I mean even look at Tiger Woods. Right. Like how many times it he changes swing in his prime? Right. You won like four majors, one year in a row. And then he changed his swing because he wanted to get better, like I think that's so sweet. Like so many people are so stuck in a frayed all I can't change my swing. I'm playing well right now, are you. Tiger Woods rental. Maybe you should do things differently. Maybe you should look at that as an example, and say, do, I keep repeating the same thing or maybe could make a slight tweak make a slight change and I could get a different result. It's so simple to say, but people are so afraid to do it. It's hard. No believe me. It's the way I know it's hard to my business. I know it's probably hard in your business. Right. It's, it's you get comfortable and y'all must have to force yourself outside of that comfort zone. So really, you know to get there and sometimes, you know, you may fail. But like you said, sometimes you may succeed in and then what it's like holy shit. This is actually working. What do I do next? Exactly. People always had the fear of, like, oh, what if it fails? But exactly what you said, would if it's exceeds, man. Like what if you actually do what you wanna do? And it works like wow. Be amazing. And scary. So tell us about, you know, we're coming up on a half hour here. Thirty five minutes. Tell us about where people can find you tell us about, you know, your podcast will, but more and, you know, I'd love to put some people your way. Number one, number two, if any insight that you can give people be great as well for sure. Yeah. If you wanna find me as super simple, you can either. Visit daily grind podcast dot com or you can find the daily grind podcast on virtually anything you listen to whether it's Spotify, jeez, anywhere you listen to podcasts. But if you like personal development, you want to better yourself. You wanna learn from successful, people just like Ken show here. I do a five days a week. So I bring in a lot of different people different aspects different areas alive. So go ahead and check that out. And then if you wanna follow up with what I do more on a daily basis, you can follow me on Instagram, and I'd be happy to share that link with you can on the show notes to make things easy. Perfect. Yeah. Definitely and calling was great to have you on this was amazing. I'm sure we'd go for. Hours and hours here because there's so many similar similar topics to talk about. So thank you very much for being part of the show and be part of the Bod cast can't thanks so much for having me. Man. I love what you're doing with the podcast. I for people listening do Kenna favored hit the subscribe button. Leave 'em a comment shared out with a friend. Anything helps can do a really amazing job for you and your finding value in it. I know it was a fellow podcast. Sir, just reciprocated back in any way, you can perfect. Thank you. Call in. And again, thanks everyone for listening and go out there and crush it. And if you ever need anything feel free to reach out to me at Kennedy executive athletes dot com. Do it Collins said, have a great afternoon.

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