Jonathan Berman Call All Earthlings
Scene one apple take one One apple take to calling on. Earthlings is an interesting documentary inbound. George man who worked for howard hughes and then left his job to go out and live in the mojave desert there. He was supposedly contacted by an alien to build. The integra is at a time machine regeneration machine order portal perhaps or. Maybe it just doesn't do anything. I chatted with the film's producer and director about this project. Jonathan berman jonathan. I have to tell you that I mean even for my show. This one is kind of a stepping off the deep end. Just a little bit on this. We're great But it's an amazing story and it's definitely worth you know doping into a little bit What brought you to be involved in this project. Well i've always been a seeker of the spiritual and the unexplained and the mysterious and always felt a connection to potentially something beyond what you know like all the major religions we wonder. Who are we ready. We come from. And then i say this crazy picture of the dome In a book called the virtual landscape california and I was just transferring about life extension alien and it was two hours away from los angeles so i kept in my car. Went to go check out the integrity and kind of got run into the story. They my day which strikes you when you see the structure for the first time. What strikes me is A number of things one is. You know how looks like a victory. How it you know. Echoing kind of mid-century slow beyond that. Actually let's go back to late. Nineteenth century california the site of all these original retirees. It has that look Combined with kind of the archetype of the circle you know yes. It's just a piece of art. It's beautiful and circles a whole nother kind of patient meaning for people finnity. Yeah absolutely so. The story goes george van tassell. This guy was no dumb. He worked for howard hughes so he can't he kind of is a pretty fairly intelligent guy you know probably was you know one of the aviation pioneers and this was in forty seven and he literally quit his job and everything and moved out to the mojave desert and And then he gets visited has he says by ambien and he tells them to build the struck. What's your feeling on this. And i guess you probably dealt with it in documentary but i had to take a little bit of a leap of faith in two to go ahead and do this document. Scheepers do a documentary about a murderer in you have to believe in murder. That's true so i wouldn't say i'm just a reporter cop out i'm not a report but I m know that through history people have been called and he knew that which grew up in a intensely christian background midwest revivals singing kind of stuff. I he's contact with a being named so kanda In the early fifties it was one of many that was occurring at the time among a number of people. The wisdom of the time was that we messed it up with the atom bomb. We don't know what we're doing and we're going to sell a whole universe that your show is about sci-fi so i'm i'm sure you've heard this refrain before so i don't see it as any crazier than anyone from the bible. Yeah i guess you could certainly make that case you know so I mean he was a character. There's no doubt that. Oh yeah we have no information on the personality of those. That's true we don't maybe we your documentary. I guess part of the reason is there. Any of the van tassell still living or or they. Oh god that's a good question. There's one daughter that i know you know i guess understandably having grown up with your dad being space context he. She just doesn't want to deal with it. I can understand now so yeah there was one. Interestingly enough Two of his daughters married type of yoga. Nada interesting on daniel. Boone is in the film. The military came back and became a young yoga nausea. They were both told to go to find the man in the desert. A yoga himself when he was one of the first to come from the east to Modern you know the twentieth century. America so they went to the desert and their car broke down and they found tasso so and married his daughters and help them build a dome and then we'll show the dome is kind of a modern day arc so he had a word play with the arc. Of course the the bible and then white arkansas you because it actually uses some of the technology that That nickel nikolai tesla was working. He was praying with the some anti fired by tesla kofsky lot lesser known. Van tesla tesla. Obviously we know was a genius. How does not as well But but Conflict was interested in Vibrating ourselves you know using a wide spectrum of frequency to vibrate ourselves to rejuvenate ourselves so the dome was a machine that was going to spin around. You're going to walk through. It was gonna rich ubani which is a time machine. Was you know why you to another place like you might see a lot of five five but reverse or a place of of moving of time in a way Interesting so just talking about some of the people. You've interviewed for your documentary. Yeah we we really you know. I kind of always tried to go for the story. I and i'm empathetic everybody's perspective So what interests me about. The dome is that it's like this place where people put their own meaning onto it. It never was turned on right Because fantastic is mysteriously there any other way to die when you're about to turn on a machine to act essentially at the time So some of the people we met or burden the famous rockstar. From the animals and eric has his own story of the dome and and kind of escaping. La in a way One of the interesting things is that goes from the fifties to the to the late seventies creative tremendous upheaval in this country and People like man running around california. Yeah that's so for burden. It was a way to escape. Los angeles i think constantly for george itself. He was a union guy. You know Supporting a family in the city. Light solution other pollution's city but juanita out or there's another version of the story. Which is that. He was called by us to go to the try harper harper dry lake. That had worked for howard you So yeah we met a lot of people We've at charlotte lynch chinaware She channel the voice georgia town little himself. so who will we nativity clinton. He's a local. Is this dj supportive. I think one of the secrets you could say of of building that how someone's meaning for so many people Is that a forms community. And i think that's important So i'm with today's technology. Could we possibly turn this thing on now and and see what happens I don't know the answer to that. I think i gotta be honest with you. I'm so maker storyteller right. I would hope that the people to john purchased by This wonderful Set of sisters and it now and they do these sound outs. Which are all the rage in california now and it's using the sound healing found ways to relax he'll people. I'm hoping the ladies have something up their sleeve. The last time they were surprised to get ready was when you house came and visited the california. Pbs legends became really popular after that. And now they have another wave for the film which is coming out of the way on. I tunes off on the twenty eighth of august. We're really excited about that tonight. So new york city up and then onto screens everywhere. Twenty eighth of august. And i'm hoping that the ladies every ladies than maybe they're going to turn it on again. Maybe they have something up their sleeve or turn on for the first time. But they're you know there's some issue And i'm sure your documentary goes into detail on what they are. you know. There's great risk in doing this kind of you know about passwords direct current versus alternate current. Yeah there was gonna be sparked out whatever tremendous energy for sir. There was here that are cap. Could blow out the entire power structure of the west so you you wonder why Thirty might have been interested in georgia. Yeah course stay tuned for more of the sci-fi talk indie film podcast back with more on genre film. Making on the sci fi. Talk indie podcast. Say one apple. Take to what kind of schedule you have. How long did you actually a film there. And i i would think you had access to film in the structure itself. Yeah the The owners are the students of the dollar. Very very good about So you know you've heard of expression in bed. Yeah with one of our more recent So i pretty much embedded better myself in joshua tree. Oh is pretty cool place to imbed and just took up living there and we'd wake up and have our coffee and we go the things we find people. I was driving my camera. Crew crazy by the way the their obeys our cameras and Because it didn't necessarily have a schedule. Sometimes it was just you know Have you ever lived in small town. America heart. I actually use in new mexico. I lived in a small town and Yeah there was some actually ufo activity going out there going on there. Was it roswell not roswell no. I've been to roswell and nothing nothing occurred. We were there but It there's just you know there's just stretches and stretches where there's nothing and If you are from another planet wanna go undetected. That's a good place to go so But a sure. But i mean a few people will say you but it's kinda hard it's a hard sell to to prove the existence of it so there's a few things that were little ordinary and I did you know i. I don't know it's i saw things. I couldn't identifies technically. That's a ufo. I whether it's another planet that i'm with you actually and it's so funny because i don't even think i've seen anything until like last month. I went to festival in downtown los angeles exposure. So sweet outsource all these people were pointing this guy right and uh like you know what do you call it. Like crowds belief The second into this. And then i like what are you looking at. She points up. And i saw something. And i do with you i would it was. It was odd. Who who knows you know. I think you've got to ask. The question is Like many questions as possible in this bill When i think of small town america up. I think a lot of one of the things i think is community and word of mouth. Yes so we talked to one person. Say charlotte she's like. Oh well you gotta go talk about fencing. You know you know. We talked about them. At the georgia buddy. Principal element is kind of American role of religion here. Yeah so would you say because of because of this the of the dome that It might have turned into a little bit of an urban legend. A little bit. I mean Or were i mean it goes beyond the country's because obviously there's there's believer has of and seekers of of activity of the city the country. So would you say that. It's kind of more than two urban legend. You know kind of kind of thing. I mean i. I the filmmaker on a storyteller. I really just want to work with communities to tell their stories though. That's one of the things i love about. This story is that you could ask five people the same question to get five different answers. There's this russia not affect The the legend growth and there's also the cumulative effect right one person's over part of the story talking stick to the next person you know yeah mean people rupp to graft on whatever they got some people are also take out of this film going whatever they want a bit of worship Do you think he'll spur. Maybe more investigations out there. I hope so. Yeah you know. I feel like this george was first of all. I hope i would encourage the tinkerer you know. We have access to kind of endless plain civic material and all that and they'd be america can become a great tinkerer society again. I mean i. I mean georgia's part of that movement. You onto some stuff you know pulling together from alleged alien direction with the work of a look healthy as looking at wave found like that as a because we know that sound can be powerful. I can use row rebel. Ems do all kinds of good thing. Yeah sure sure okay. I mean we've seen recently in a few countries what they can do. It's the cutest thing is. Yeah absolutely so yeah. I don't ever true disproven when we were another. Yeah i i mean it was definitely sound related. They did determine that but what exactly caused did. They don't know so. Yeah it's really weird but you know it was sound is Can be used as a weapon and in has been so i under- heal and to heal. Yeah absolutely there's some sonics no not that not that. Not that often debate. So there's some there's some I mean that's the thing about every any kind of thing like this. There's some basis in fact. The separate is being total fans you know and that's the problem too. Yeah sure sure. We're you know the general ally ever public. sure sure. Yeah neither am. I so i you know i. I know profess to be so. I've always had an interest but it's just not my thing but but i'm always curious about anything and my podcast ask the question. What so. that's great. That really think of anyone who wanted to know is a message of the film. I you know. I'm a believer that. If you want to send messages to the telegram i think you know empowering people ask what if is a great question i guess what i was alluding to before with this Unprecedented access to real science on the internet and not to the sign you cut out take take it take what do a whole nother direction. The challenges that writing out your sources. Yeah yeah. I mean it'd be cool. If you know some scientists got involved into looking at what's going on out there and you know just kind of go into it with open mind you know. Use the scientific method to see what it is. And that would be great and that would be the sequel So will you know one of the things that we are to you. And i are maybe not grew up in you know in the post cold war baby boom era. Yeah i'm a. I'm a boomer. Yeah me too. i'm boom here and we're influence. you know. A whole country radically influenced soviet empire. Oh absolutely sylvia's were very headed these kind of forward thinking science yes Let's say Sir substantive that could make people starter. Faster fell in love. God is a net flicks now about about the soviets doping program who you know understanding that some of these programs They have quasi related to funding or guidance. Whatever for the military The us government were up against russia like an operation paper clip. You know Like what do we do with these genius scientists. They came from germany. Or are they gonna go to the to the soviet empire they going to go to. Yeah yeah so their own. Been interested in stuff that might seem a little fringy in effort to get that edge. Sure have yeah the an olympic score or in Here science basic versions. Well yeah as base race was very real. Remember living through that. Unfortunately it took something like that for us to do it but now without a race. It's kind of like what are you thinking of well. The whole apollo missions and getting to the moon. I right that was really the race. I mean they did not want a russian flag to be the first one on the rue so And maybe right. So you're talking about when you bricks. Filmed it or well. Yeah he Yeah his his trip to something else. And not only that. But jupiter to that movie was out there but but yeah had interest which are you talking about two thousand one Okay yeah i'm done gave out the rumors of kubrick having shot the folks. This is real you know. Oh really the moon landing for that right. Yeah i've heard that but Yeah i. I don't believe that at all. I don't believe it either but it's a good story and it's a good story and even made a movie about that going on. I think it was actually mars called capricorn one about a fake landing there that i remember seeing local theater. When i was a child i was an interesting idea but but yeah it's Yeah i think we went there. And i'm sure the flag is still there and the plaque uncommon common To be common foolish Oh yes absolutely couldn't agree more. It's easy to be a scoff. Oh absolutely absolute- core randy amazing randi. Yeah there you go might have been right the case. We don't know You know people were scoffing A few months ago now see that there's a lake on march that's right that's right and they were saying. Oh there's no order wrong. What is always happening. I think that's how for maybe didn't have technical skills. Maybe we didn't have I think that he's only now That the wireless transmission of energy. That tesla talking about is becoming more realized. Yeah so sometimes. The ideas withdrawing off the dick tracy watch. Oh conferencing system. Yeah years ago and now we have out if we want. Yeah and even even the bill telephone. Call two thousand one. We have skype. It's it's a lot cheaper than what they what they showed in the movie. But but yeah it's still It's still you know there's a lot of things that we thought would never happen have happened and certainly the internet caught everybody but nobody ever any member of being on the early into something with open. It was open again more. The artist side am to hospital had a touch artist in him. Yeah sounds like vision in the future. So the movie I said it's gonna be available later in the month on i tunes and Is it coming to netflix or amazon. As well that would be later. And i assume that one of your good services will will pick up the film It's actually available right now on a pre by just yesterday the there you go there if you cannot wait to get on your right to provide calling earthling yeah trip. I mean it is true. So i remember to work up so you you feel pretty good about the film. The finished product you use. Did you accomplish what you set out to do. And it's always shocking as a documentary. Filmmaker you right out these proposals and you're like oh my god. It's a right something to get this grants or whatever it is and then you move into the writing two years later you throw out the writing. 'cause could number of years to really think through. I'll you pull out the writing you're like. Yeah yeah we do that. That's good you know. And i would feel like we've been getting You know wide range of reaction. Sure i would have wanted any other way. Mostly very positive can't wait for people to have new york city tonight so last screening is this the. Yeah it's quite a tale And if you're gonna go out to the desert you should Please call them events or make a reservation. If you're gonna go to around the dome as a beautiful magical race. Yeah but as you know. 'cause he lives in wearing. I lived in a small town. Cope hub which is about two hours from lubbock texas. Okay i lived right near the border so the only good thing about that is you could celebrate. New year's twice can go into you can celebrate new mexico crossed. The border detecting just gained an hour. Because you were on on central and then you can celebrate it again so that was any with the high desert mojave where the integral tron is that. It's a magical there. Yeah yeah georgia task for new. That think crates are who died under the giant rock knew that and howard robot using self where they all live. Yeah no doubt about it. There's something to it or something to that area. That's no question. Well thanks again. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. You know it's a fascinating idea and Internally one that people should approach with an open mind and just see it and then kind of make their own conclusion or right. Thank you so much down. Thank you all right. never calling. Earthlings is now available for rental and to buy and look for in your city at local theaters. We didn't get to a lot of answers in his podcast. Just a lot more questions and intriguing case for sure and definitely go into it with an open mind. Science should definitely look into this and leave your comments or questions on this or any other my podcast or anything in general at speak pipe dot com forward slash. sifi rant. All you really need is a webcam microphone to do it. Thanks for joining me. This has been tony to lotto. Take care hi. i'm george decay. And i listened to sci-fi talk.