Listen: Josh Rosen, Cliff Kingsbury And National Football League discussed on Tiki and Tierney
"Football player. And I would I would take him the first big ding. Being I would take him with the first pick of the draft. Okay. So the story goes on earlier today. What's that? Guess whereas the first big. Twenty nine the cardinals elect now earlier Carrizo the sports ninety eight seven the Doug and wolf show. This is Santa's old show. Good guys. Mike good. Greek is wrong. Wolseley? Former special teams pro bowler. Great guy. Okay. Okay. So Mike used to produce at the station you produce their show. Right. You actually produce their show producer look at look at. He hates the concede any sort of any sort of juice right after I got my start, and we all started somewhere. So all the show today. Doug and wolf ninety seven arizon-, Arizona sports. They had on Michael Bidwell the owner of the cardinals. And of course, you have to do more than kick the tires and get some answers, and they tried. Josh, the smart guy. He's around he seen what happens urine and year out. There's always a lot of speculation that that turns out to not be true. But is we get moving forward? You know, we're going to continue to to build on this team build around the foundation that we have. And we've got a great foundation in place. We'll continue to do that. Okay. We have a great foundation in place. Yes. You have a pretty interesting foundation. Josh Rosen PS doesn't mean you can't trade them because there's a lot of teams that like to get him. Yes. I right now, we'll play this later was to work it on the south. But clings a cliff Kingsbury did actually circle back and speak about this today. Specific now th- the gist of what he said is he understands the noisy understands the innuendo the rumblings, blah, blah, blah. The sound was really audible so but at one time planned for you. But that's what he said. He had to say something. Yes. Go ahead. Take what do you think? Yeah. He did say Josh is our guy he said that he is. I think he's lying now is we saw Josh Rosen last season. He started thirteen games. He was pretty miserable. I mean as bad as bad as Jared Goff was his rookie season. And we all remember Jared goff's rookie season. He completed fifty three percent or fifty four percent of his passes through five touchdowns seven interceptions. He terrible five point three yards per attempt. And we were at the point where we're saying bust, right? He gets a new head coach, Sean McVeigh, Sean, McVeigh, ignites. This offense. Obviously with Jeff Fisher for some reason refused to do he did in spades which is feed Todd Gurley. Whether it's out of the backfield or or or carrying the ball between the tackles to the edges you you made it easier on a young quarterback when you have a great running back and let him do his thing. So Jared Goff turned it around. Could Josh Rosen. Turn it around with a new coaching staff. Possibly more talent real quick Goth on your opinion. I think golf. I think I think I think golf is something in a Rosen's mind. Okay. Thank you. See you see how he throws the ball when he's not processing and is now in his defense. Jared Goff was the same way. Remember the touchdown. He just missed tight end is wide open. Literally this far away with Cooper Cup in the end zone is the first time I've found the iphone. Yeah. I finally have my own Telestrator right now, he figured it out with a good coach a really good head coach, Sean McVay, but show McVeigh teaches more drop back. Then I think cliff Kingsbury knows how to do. And here's why I think cliff Kingsbury and they Arizona Cardinals need to find a way to trade. Josh Rosen where this value for him. People want him. They saw him college. They see as good the big strong arm. And by the way, I totally disagree with your assertion that Goth is more talented. I think Rosen is infinitely more gifted for on the football than gov. Arm talent. There's no there's no it's not even close a quarterback is not all about aren't. And he's brilliant. You'll figure it out. I think it will slow the batches Wayne and be brought to a detriment. I love. We did discuss. You don't have. Here's here's my point on mostly why I think they would be and this is pure speculation. This is no there's no indication what's is going to happen. But when I look at cliff Kingsbury when we when this higher happened BT. I said why are you hiring a guy that has zero experience being a head coach in the National Football League dealing with the men that are their National Football League and the complications of being a head coach in the National Football League. When you came from a program at Texas Tech, which say you failed that because he did win some games their their defense was horrendous they recruited terribly. So maybe that's the that's the part of he did hire. Vance Joseph experience as a head coach and defensive coordinator previously with the Denver Broncos as head coach and the Miami Dolphins a defensive coordinator. So that side of the ball. Let's say gets taken care of on the office this out of the ball. We know what he is an expert offensive line was terrible terrible. Or when we talked to Justin Pugh the beginning of the season completely reversible completely remade, and they're going to have to do that again. But this is really. About scheme clip Kingsbury likes to play wide open. It's an air raid system. You've all heard the terminology. It's an it's air-raid. We'd get up to the line of scrimmage. We diagnose the defense. We we have ten personnel which is one running back and basically four wide receivers maybe tied in there. And and we we throw the ball seventy percent of the time. That's what he's been really good at its. Why Pat Holmes was amazing when he was there. It's why Baker Mayfield wanted to go there. He's a two names that have been extraordinarily successful on the National Football League states is Josh Rosen. Either one of them you see Josh Rosen is either one of those guys out of the pocket athletes. Scrambling making big place. I don't I don't either. But I believe that you can roll him out a little bit. And and he can as as good as collar Murray. Ken who ran this exact often that when he was no the answer is? No. But I don't think column Maury has Rosen's accuracy. Arm town incredible. Josh. I was really debating if I want. I I was I was so confused going into last year's draft. Yeah. I didn't know who the hell I want because there was too many opt mad. I was a never. Yeah. There was a part of it was like I was Josh Rosen. I think this kid's going to be goods and he wasn't his rookie season. Was Terry thirty five percent completion percents. He looked lost half of the time eleven touchdowns fourteen interceptions. As you know is the stats say this was one of the worst seasons that we've seen them a long time. It is what it is their team was bad. They're all refute the stats their offense. They couldn't find a way to get David Johnson evolved to make it easier form layer FitzGerald as great as he is. He's just aging. He's not stretching to feel not. They didn't have the requisite talent for a young uninitiated player. Like Josh Rosen to excel or even just like not around. I hear you agree. And so non creative cohi-. Learn Murray, however, is a super athlete, right? We know that this offense hasn't fully been implemented. The National Football League pieces of it. Right. We're seeing we're seeing Matt Nagy do this a little bit even though their quarterback isn't very athletic. We're seeing obviously Andy Reid do this. With Pat Mahomes. We're seeing the Cleveland. Browns in kitchens doing Baker Mayfield. You're obviously seeing the Baltimore Ravens do it with the Mark Jackson. The they're not even thinking about throwing the ball downfield. It's all about spreading in running. Spreading in running. I think that if the cardinals and particularly cliff kingsborough has zero NFL experience wants to be successful. He has to bring what he did in college to the National Football League in exceleron with slowly happening. And Kyla Murray allows him to do that Josh Rosen. I don't think allows him to do that. So we're going to try to fix John Vicks. Josh rosen. It'd be digging all this is happening, right. This is going to happen in the next couple of years with the cardinals. I gotta fix Josh Rosen. I have to upgrade my offensive line because he's a pocket passer. I have to find a way to get some skill position players down that make things happen down the field because that's what Josh Rosen needs to be successful. Oh, and by the way, I have a rookie head coach who's never coached the National Football League. The chance can't be worse than the guy that last year, but the chances of all of all of those things happening. In the next couple of years is not very high. That's true. And so a lot of variables. And if this happen. Word. But if they want to. Get closer to ensuring success cliff Kingsbury do cliff Kingsbury does. Okay. And Cuyler Murray helps him do that immediately. I agree with that premise and entirely. You don't the last thing you wanna do is hire somebody and then change them. Yes. Like CBS would have hired when they hired us in two thousand thirteen I'll just speak for myself. If they were like, hey, we know we hired you based on who you are. But we need you to be a very sedate and have no opinion is by giving higher quiet storm BT. We gotta go with their own network. Have the wrong guy. It's not who we hide about people do their job, right and Mike with you. If we just said, all right know, what we're gonna make you a basketball expert. To radio every day here on the network. Where you're going to be our basketball. A matter of fact, you get a car even on CBS sports dot com. You can have a basketball a basketball beat. No, you easy with the stuff that you know, like, they're back your hand. And then you work hard to get up. This new basketball, get hard work hard to get up to speed with baseball. And here we have the product that we have you have to let people do what you hire them to do. So as I say that do you believe the cardinals will acquiesce to a quotes around the word, demand or? However, cliff Kingsbury goes about this quietly dot in the media behind closed doors already said Josh Rosen star guy will they give him that power. Should they bestow? Why? No, the answer is. They should will they bestowed. The I think they will. Because I think they know they made a mistake with how they were viewing their team last year. Right. They I think they went for a quick fix, right? They they were going to get a good defensive minded head coach Steve Wilks, which I think he is. He was just grossly. Unprepared. I know I'd be he didn't have much in. So what they were saying was we got a young extraordinarily smart quarterback. Josh Rosen who gets everything really quickly. He has an answer for everything we got Larry FitzGerald for our our veteran leadership and David Johnson's going to come back. And he's as good a running back there in the National Football League. We're gonna grab all of these disparate pieces and stick them in our office of line. And yes, we know what's going to be a work in progress. But eventually we'll figure it out. Right. That was their fifth. It was a two quick. Right. And and it again, there's a lot of variables draft a quarterback agree. That was done. They tried. They tried with Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford was going to. I think they tried to protect Josh Rosen. But here's my point think of all microwave quickly on the think of all the variables there was there was made probably more variables than last year than there are with with cliff kings bearing so they wanted it. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna microwave fix this. Right. And it's gonna work and it didn't. And you knew it wasn't working probably about five weeks in and the rumors started the circulate, the Wilkes isn't the guy came early before we twelve you knew he was he was done on this signs were very ominous. So very early and very ominous. They can't afford. I mean, they can because whatever. Yeah. I mean, but you know, what would make the wrong move. Agreed. But they shouldn't throw again a ton of variables that I just laid out and try to be successful all over. Listen tiki. Just laid it out for you. He just laid it out pertaining to mile McCollum of the head coach quarterback dynamic that you believe should happen. And then now the converse of that is you're basically kicking out a top. Ten pick immediately without really knowing without being able to properly gauge him because he had a dearth of weapons around. What is he little risky is Josh Rosen. The kind of quarterback like him a lot more than you do up. But I I'm not talking about him. God is Josh Rosen. The type of quarterback the cliff Kingsbury has ever had success with cliff Kingsbury is thirty five and forty. So you can say that he hasn't had enough success with anybody. That's true. That's true, but his comeback. But as quarterback conversations under his quarterback that that are not like Josh Rosen have had a ton of success. He's get a skill set that that works for what he's trying to deploy. I'm just messing around the I don't disagree with that. But boy, I do like Josh Rosen a lot more than you, do I like them. Well, I just don't think I like him for what cliff Kingsbury is going to be implement fair which opens up this and this where we'll get the calls. You know, who you are giants need a quarterback Jaguars need a quarterback. Denver broncos. Need a quarterback raiders can use a quarterback who they settled through a Derek Carr becomes what in the world. Would you offer for Josh Rosen? And do you agree with tease assertion that Kingsbury should be able to do this? He's."