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Today it's great to chat with arthur brooks on the podcast arthur's the william henry bloomberg professor of the practice of public leadership the harvard kennedy school and professor of management practice at the harvard business school before joining the harvard faculty in july of two thousand nineteen. He served for ten years as president of the washington. Dc based american enterprise institute by one of the world's leading think tanks arthur's the bestselling author of eleven books on topics ranging from economic opportunity to human happiness. His most recent bestseller love. Your enemies love that title by the way is a guide to building a better country and mending personal relationships amidst our culture of political polarization arthur. I'm so glad finally chat with you on this podcast. Thank you and congratulations on the phenomenal success. In the psychology podcast. I'm an avid listener. I love it i mean. I think it's a great podcast. And and i'm obviously not alone. Because number one psychology. Podcast in the world. Congratulations on that. Of thank you. So much arthur. I don't know if you remember me you probably you. Probably don't. there are a lot of people in the room that day when you came the positive psychology center. You gave a talk about three years. Ago i i was i use. The word. smitten doesn't doesn't mean that it's not quite the right word but not quite not quite i was. I was just so impressed. With the way that you're able to balance a kind of extreme views and kind of have the nuance about it. Thanks i appreciate that and you know you're you've been you're a mardi guy marty seligman guy and so you you know that's an so i've been a big fan of martin and those of us who are in in the kind of the mardi cosmos Uncommon basically trying to make people that are off trying to lift a lot trying to bring bring people together and the confidence that we can actually do so. And that's actually what. I'd like so much about your guests. Not just the gee whiz kind of deal it's Every episode you have the science you have the application to your life and you have the exaltation to share with others. That's actually the formula frigging happier understand. Apply share. and you do it every day. Thank you so much thank you. That means a lot. I love your podcast to. Hey i though it started off with a quote from joan goldberg. Who was describing you your character. Structure and since psychology podcast. I thought this would be an appropriate place to start jonah. Goldberg described you as quote a strange creature by washington standards heck a strange creature by bipedal standards a former french horn player. Who decided to be an egghead late in life. He's a unique mix of catholic. Piety data obsession sartorial connoisseurs. Physical fitness old soul wisdom and basic decency. Now he's wondering. How do you feel about this description of yourself. Jones a good writer for the listeners. In general burke longtime sas from the national review and general public intellectual around town also When he wrote that he was my employee at the american enterprise institute. So we if anything is nice about it. We can't take it seriously the truth there though there's like a grain they're great and he's he's fantastic and he's also a really acute to of his guy. He's a good commentator and he's got a great. I and so this idea of the these salient characteristics of my personality are all knit Knit together into this. One portrait of weirdness. I kinda like it. I like it i well. One thing there horn part. Now you're a you're you are like legit a musician right. That's a part of that was was the my my goal in life. Starting when i was nine years old. I had literally one goal in life which was to be the world's greatest french horn player yet. I didn't america great. Yeah you say. I want to be the world's french horn player in sexually not an impossible dream so i did nothing but nothing but that i basically slacked off in school did nothing but play in every unsolvable every competition. I stayed with the best horn players. They could possibly find through lower middle class. Family made huge sacrifices. So that i could do that and when i was. I went to college reluctantly. Eighteen in and promptly dropped required courses and and was invited to earn my success outside the college and so i went pro. I was nineteen. I spent my entire twenties playing chamber music in symphony orchestras winding up for a long time in the barcelona symphony spain and then only in my late twenties that i started doing my college education. I graduated from college before my thirtieth birthday left music. Business at thirty one start. H date and tell me tell me about your phd topic. And what department was it in. It was actually at the rand graduate school. Which is part of the rand corporation of famous old. Old think tank in santa monica was matter of fact and And i went there. Part of it was because i was at the time older than most. Phd students that i wanted to maintain the conceit that i was working as opposed to studying and so at thirty one thirty two years old thirty three. I was doing work on public policy analysis. Which is what. I ultimately my phd by fields in applied microeconomics mathematical modeling and was doing theater level. Combat nelson's for the air force operations military operations research so levels while level military. A while i was doing theater level comedy terror level. What does that mean. What does it get too wonky accident but that means is. I was doing large scale military simulations of different theaters of war. I see that's so that's so cool. That's that's that's the terminology for that. Yeah yeah. I just learned something new. I love that. I love that. Yeah i was doing craft survivability using a pretty sophisticated early artificial intelligence modeling line. You know bunch of mainframes all kind of linked together for large we rang two hundred and fifty thousand line. Four tran models cetera. Just to to to simulate war situations had never actually been fought and using pretty sophisticated math to do it and that was a really big departure from obviously from playing the french horn but it was part of the the cognitive development is the great thing. Those were listening to us the great thing about doing a phd in any topic. Is you get somewhere between four and six years of an apprenticeship in hard

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