Thank you. Know. There is a word in here that I wanna ask you about, and I and I mentioned it before Belgium's cedi. And so it's has mental or physical ability. Now, one of the changes from the previous version of the code of ethics is that the word disability was throughout, and the word disability has been removed and replaced with ability. Now I've heard from folks in disability communities that that sort of tantamount to making them invisible in the code of ethics. Could you respond to that? So there's different views of people have on the use of language. So there was no intense, obviously to make people with disabilities invisible, or to take away an identity that they've been working working towards stabbing that, uh, validated and inserted into a certain types of legislation and access to certain services on the basis of disability. So, um, There are some people but not all people, uh, from the disability community who are concerned about that. Um, one of the things suits, uh, social work stands for as a strength space perspective. And so rather than just focusing on negatives disability. Uh, the word ability focuses on all different types of abilities. People with disabilities have lots of strength and it's not just to finding them by the disability. Uh, if you also look at the language in the rest of the sentence, We don't talk about The. Tikolo groups we talk about, um, a type of social status or a so-so identity group. So under So sexual orientation, We don't say gays and lesbians. It doesn't matter what you're so. So what your sexual orientation is, There shouldn't be a discrimination or there should be a positive awareness and cultural competence round, those issues. Same sort of thing with the outrace innocent ethnicity. We don't limited to just talking about, uh, African Americans or Latinos or whatever groups It runs across, Whether it's people from a minority groups from majority groups, apart press groups or or not, oppressed groups. We want social workers to look at the full range of diversity when, within each of these factors. Um, we also added in some places, mental or physical ability. Again, Sometimes people look at ability and they just think in terms of a physical abilities. So we wanted to clarify that. To the different sects, and so I absolutely understand that some people felt that it's taking the way. Um, but you can think of some situations not in this particular standard, but in a under parts six when we talk about promoting social justice sons in, uh, informed consent and other areas where we've also change the word from disability to ability, We want to take into account all people's abilities. So if you are looking at how do we change our practice based on, um, ability You might have people who are very strong in a particular area, and wouldn't you want to build on that person's? So a strengths of But at the same time, You know, we need to acknowledge that social workers historically allied itself with people who are the most vulnerable. And sometimes that vulnerability does relate to disability. So absolutely understand what the concern as I wouldn't say that everybody from those communities, Um, agrees with that. If you look at So universities and other organisations. A lot of them had saw Centers for disability or Centers for students with disability, and they've changed the language to a centers for student accessability or other types of more positive language. So there is a split in terms of what type of languages is appropriate. If you're working with an individual client, absolutely allow them to Selfa identify when you're creating codes of ethics or agency policies. Um, it, You need to decide which is the preferred language and understand that some people may not feel that it's the best language will thank you for addressing noun and um, and I and I also appreciate the the emphasis that the code of ethics does not prescribe how social workers should refer to clients then because the code of ethics remove the word disability doesn't mean that social workers are not allowed to use the word disability, especially in communities were that's been a term that has been reclaimed in, is considered a. A term of power. So one of the sections in the code one point one five interruption of services which says, social workers should make reasonable efforts to ensure continuity of services in the event that services are interrupted by factors such as unavailability disruptions in electronic communication relocation, illness, mental, or physical ability or death. Could you talk about that, Sir? Really the the addition there is the disruptions in electronic communication. So think of a clients who. No, may be in a crisis situation or is a depending on a social worker for particular types of help, whether it's with schooler with worker with anxiety or whatever. So we wanna make sure that clients are not of abandoned even for brief periods of time. So historically in it, We think about things a like the social worker becoming nut ill, the social worker passing away or people moving to a different set location. Now, when we're relying on a lot of electron a communications. So with people, we need to have some thought about what happens if there is some sort of destruction. If you look at Puerto Rico recently, You know how much of the country still is without electricity. And so how can you have a communication with clients when they're in a dire need, even though there is no electricity? Uh, here in my home state of Florida, we had some people who were in a nursing home, an assisted living facility, elders that. The two had no electricity in They died because of issues related to heat and lack of air conditioning. Well, I don't know this for any sort of fact would know if they had problems with communication, Maybe they couldn't have reached out to a social workers or other service-providers in their greatest state of Neat. And so we need to think about what is some the potential causes of destruction. So could be things like Keno hurricanes tornadoes and uh, something that affects our Electra CN Tower regrets. It could be the Serb the disruption as just caused by people not using the technology effectively or it could be that somebody hacks into the system. And so it's helpful for us to think, but will What were we to in such and such cases. So having backup plans, If I am using video-conferencing with the clients in the video conferencing breaks down, is telephone a suitable backup. If we know that certain people are at a high risk Kinza. Cason is so cut off, Do we have a backup system? So did they know who they could contact, uh, in terms of other, uh, Crisis Intervention services, or if we wanted to send a somebody out to help to, we have emergency contact numbers. One of the ISU sometimes more serving clients in remote. So locations is We may not even know where the client is, are. We may not know what types of services are available. And so for social workers who are doing a Serb providing services with clients in remote locations, we should think about asking them, You know, uh, who we could contact for backup if there was an emergency who could they conduct? So even if I don't know all the emergency services have I talk to them and maybe help them problem solved around those issues. So the way that you're talking about this is that the through the inclusion of disruption, electronic communications is a prompt for social workers to think about if I'm using technology or even if I'm now using technology, but particularly with technology, I should think through how I'm going to address interruption of services. But having it in the code of ethics, doesn't it mean that this is something that sets up social workers for liability? So if there is disruption electronic communication, even if the social worker has thought through something else is and that's the kind of thing where a lawyer may maybe an unethical lawyer, But you know a lawyer could come in and say, Aha, Your code of ethics says that you should make reasonable efforts to avoid disruptions in in electronic communications. We don't think these are reasonable efforts. So you've, you've picked up on some key language, You know, what would be considered to be a reasonable effort? So in a state like Florida, If we haven't thought about the possibility of what happens in a hurricane, the oath that would be a problem in other locations were hurricanes, aren't so that common you'll having a a response to hurricanes, wouldn't really be considered to be reasonable is really the same sort of standard in terms of malpractice. So any out. So even if we didn't have this standard here, uh, lawyers could make the same claim. We've got a duty of care. Once we engage clients were offering services were saying that going to be available with them on, uh, some sort of basis. If we breached that duty of care, all of a sudden were not available for them as we par must, uh, than we reset standard of care. If they suffered damages as a close result of the breach of that duty of care, we would be responsible Ennio. So we would be responsible regardless of whether it's in the code of ethics. So this is more of what. Be aware of what the potential czar and let's educate ourselves that we can deal with these types of issues of VIS on I don't think really adds to liability that wouldn't already be there. Now, If you go to the practice standards, It goes into greater depth of some of the analysis for these types of issues. So for example, you might want to have a communication policy or even a media or social media policy with clients so that they should know if they're going to contact you are is would it be reasonable for them to expect response in 24 hours or 48 hours a week? What would be the appropriate response rates? So on young telephones, people will put messages that say, you know, if in case of emergency call nine one one or other emergency services. So that might be your backup for, Ah Lek Chanaka communication. In other cases, You know, you need to think about two other forms of a backup for your watch on. Communication, There's no expectation that we're going to be perfect. Everything is always going to run perfectly smoothly. One of the challenges with some types of technology is not all the bugs have been worked out tuna. Some the newer technologies. Does that mean we should avoid them altogether? Well, it might mean that for particularly risky situations, so particular type of technology isn't stable enough, So avoid it. But other forms of technology, they've been around for years and years and years, And they're wonderful. The example of, you know, dealing with crisis over the telephone. We when using that for years and years and years in isn't wonderful that we've been able to use that technology is telephone perfect. No, but it certainly has provided services to people in need that might not get them if we were just relying on in person services. Four folks who are interested in learning more, what are some things that they can do to learn about the differences between the 2018 code of ethics and the the previous version? Khrais question. So the NSW has conducted an online training And it's a free training that saw anybody can have access to. I would encourage people to even share this with their agencies, some some or other mental health professions so that they're familiar with what some of our obligations are various. Any us chapters around the country are hovering annual conferences where some, their keynote, sir, some of their sessions are focusing on the changes to the code of ethics of the Council on social work education is so looking at how it can provide additional training for a educators and how to incorporate the changes into, uh, the various courses. In a MSL ups, W and Doctoral programmes Anza thinks us, you know, opening up the a code of ethics itself and taking another look at the wording of, uh, some Lasak's. And so you know, you may know generally what's in it, but sometimes the particular words soot and to make a difference in terms of what the actual obligations are. If somebody had feedback about the code of ethics, you mentioned that, you know, three, six, nine years there there. Um, the possibilities for revision. How would people submit feedback Now that the code of ethics is sort of done for this cycle? Uh, where were they go? What would they do? And and with your feedback be considered in any sort of organizer systematic way? So I think people could, you know, certainly contact the office of ethics and professional review, um, by email or by phone and provide feedback. I think that you've noted that. So it's not likely that there will be changes in the near future. Um, and we don't necessarily even within three years so you know, have the expectation that there will be changes. So the best time for changes when NSW announces that there is a national task force to review the code. Uh, that's a great time to be providing people with feedback, but a lot of things it. So you know, we talked about today, I think it's worthy of discussions. There's various types of online, uh, software cuff forums and blogs. So it's great for people to have conversations and how you can build on these people should be submitting articles and reading articles. We up the online, a journal of social work values and ethics. And so it's a great opportunity for the you know, us to continue the dialogue Gonzaga. No talk about how are we interpret in these funds If there's needs for James, Let's get those such changes documented. And when it is time to have another revision, then hopefully those will be considered at that time. Me and one of the great to other things with the online. A communication is that people are sharing the types of different types of resources, so No people could share their social media policies or their informed consent policies, or even their assessment forms to show how they're taking technology into account. I think that's helpful to the profess him. Some people have already been very generous with sharing that sort of information. So observable, continue. That's great will thank you for those resources. And again, Alan, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us today. I really appreciate it. Okay, you're doing a great service for the profess on. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, it's me. Did you like that? Okay, good. So just reminder in case you haven't already done, Don't forget to listen to parts one and two of this conversation. Part one that's episode 1 thirteen is an overview in history of the NSW code of ethics and a discussion of Section one point of three which is searching the web for information about your clients. Impart to Alunan I talk about Section one point 0-4 E knowing the laws in your jurisdictions in the ones where your clients live and how that affects practicing across state lines with or without technology. We also talk about Section one point 0 five cultural competence. All right. That's it. Keep up the good work. Whoa. 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