Thank you so much for having me on your show I'm glad you make it So um, t- t because Tell us a little bit about your you have an interesting story because you're view come here like a musical family. Um, but you've been blessed dropped playing like rock stop. You started out with, uh, well you play cello or something, right? Is that what you're prayer? Are? I've played cello since I was a kid soda. It's always gonna part of what are starting to come in the public school system in Alexandria, Virginia and uh, never thought. Clinton just looking at block thoughts on his staff, um, until I was Well into my 20s I played in the symphony at to college. I went to, um, and was a classically trained cellist um, expert level student cellist out of Virginia. Um, and then it I kinda parted ways with that instrument as I moved into my other career when which you kindly mentioned. Um, but uh, it then in music sorta came back to me over that period And my 20s not picked up mandolin and some guitar. So uh, when uh, you know, I don't know. It's like the early nineties when people were doing all sorts of the new stuff. Musically I was at home in my living room playing. Uh, like what we call the hootenanny with my buddies, those buddy anger in my brother tear in Moroni who came up with the violin player and orchestras, and James Fernley who was at that time still playing with the Pogues And the three of us remain bandmates to this day that was twenty five. Plus years ago, So we played together forever now, but it's true as you said, I was uh, brought up and trained to really only as an orchestra player. Um, and until I was, um, in in adulthood already. Okay, So so you didn't really have any kind of interest in pop music or rock or anything like that? I mean, uh, other than probably listening to it, but like in terms of playing it as the uh, there's a teenager and I look back in a, um, you know, I wish I played graceful two Swan Drew Peadon occurred to me. I mean that that's why I've put it that way. I was. Mm hmm, even now orchestral players that I know it's two different mindset and the one where you're reading a prepared part, Um, sometimes limits people from being able to play improvisational early or pick up different instruments. And as soon as that, those doors were kind of open to me in my mind, I, I took off and learn of bunching instruments are kind of May dad My hobby picking up another instrument and so forth. So, um, and by by probably about 95 you mentioned the loans Swede, orchestra that came together through my friendship with James who had work was Andersz loss. You know Sander from colonialist monster near your culture, Mike Mara, who was the songwriter alone sweet orchestra. Um, and they knew James as anternoon from straight to hell that Alex Cox movie brings about with anybody. You know, I think that I was, uh, Courtney Love was in that movie and so forth. You know, they. They got a bunch of different Dan's into sort of war each other in Mexico or something so that became the low and Swede orchestra. We made a great album called goodbye to all that. Maybe that was the portentous named held on my I don't know first thing on the album, But Interscope um, signed us in those days when you had to be signed at a record company, They have dance and all that sort of antiques style. Um, and we made the most of it as we could. He didn't turn the corner, but we made a great Algom. Um, and then 10 years or so later than that came together cranky George with uh, some of the same personnel. Uh, mainly my, my brother and change. Yeah. What works for, like playing in the band with your brother? Oh, it's incredible. You know, he and I are proof in my mind that music, uh, isn't applied, You know, and that is in rather Terry thing in that it's a shared, shared ability that either gather gathereW don't. Yeah, I describe that in practice for me in that he and I always want to, uh, complement each other in harmony, whether it's on instruments. Best examples when he's claim violin and unplink cello in the ban because, uh, w- it's almost like we're making a mistake because our musical instinct send us exactly under the same note Swale hop on of Harmony. Right when he's offing onto the army. Uh, and then we're both Glante harmony, which those in a dozen makeup, It doesn't make that all And that you watch. So. Um, I very much in tune. I mean, we're not twins like the proclaim reverse or anything with Italy's`li tied in with the other dude. But um, the way it plays out on our album. I'm here fat, lot of good with cranky Georgia's You have the, um, both of us up this pretty distinct voice, But so you get two of them. Uh, and the way our Boko harmony stick together sister. Um, really a unique sound. So you know, it's like lead baritone duet singing, um, in cranky, George, We all saying all five of us. Um, um, but on many of the songs it's us to a doubling up or harmonized on. Um, so wind, Yes. Um, uh, I mean, you know Mumford and Sons had the hit a few years ago. Um, and what is it about this new John Ron? This sort of Irish spoke inspired alternative I don't know what exactly them, how to categorize it. Whereabouts and sounds or this vibe that like what would draw as you to that works for me, it's really organic to the instruments that are play. I'm your Embraer or Serb late '60s jury forty seven Gibson, acoustic, guitar. That's a really dirty low big Nick Cerrone. Um, but really the mandolin across from James firmly is accordion and cheering on violin gives it that sound anywhere. In other words, we came in with the instruments, we already played a lot of bans We have a lot of respect for, will add these instruments in to enhance the the sort of rock and roll banned Sara on. But really the. Of our music comes from, uh, these instruments. So um, we were playing Just like this before the month sons. Uh, Um, so thrilled when I heard that type of music coming to the four The other attempts at it over the years, whether who, who would have to be thinking outs, Um. Tough, It is a hard genre define or to play the name. That's like, I mean, like the pubs or would up in Kings of it really and now was when it was in a true innovation. So I don't claim that we would you brought it in or, or made it up. But um, I do know that it's the right music for me because that's how we play and not not because we're trying to imitate anybody. Um, and and really as I'm stumped right now to think of other band sound like us. There aren't that many people to imitate early. I know it, it it. It is that it is a distinctive sound and you guys do definitely do it in the distinctive way. So we've been dancing around that. Let's go ahead and, uh, the kids at home have a taste. We're gonna play on this track. A doubtless call sat Lot of fat. That lot of good. Um, and those are the call title, but we're going to gun play the song a misery Road, and I'm going to come back and we'll talk a little bit more about the music. Uh, this is wrote. Rhode by cranky, George on the loose Vini rock and roll circus.