Having a little pressure man thanked Thanks for calling him by. So you have your uh, kind of I presume I reading your bio, your kind of a complicating, tiny guy, you're you, you dealt with issues. You've gone off and, uh, you know, kind of like, uh, into the wilderness The times and, and the, you know brooded and you know worked through things. Um, it's just like, Ahh. Like as something that is like a pattern in your life or is it was just like a one-time saying, tell us a little bit about that. Uh, I would say it has been a pattern in the past cement. Um, but I feel like this album that I'm finally putting out is, is really a turning point for that. Um, I think of a fallen off my my Truth in my path in the past, And, um, you know, allowed the, the ego to take over and make some pretty big mistakes and, and that sort of thing. And I've I've put that behind me in this albums really helping you with that. And I g, I I've I've I've made some mistakes and had some dark moment, So my family likes to refer to that is the dark years and honey and a so. But yeah, this is this is definitely feels like a a turning point for me. Um, music from this album definitely have some darkness to it. And you know. Scott, the shadow side to thanks though. Well, what's cool about it is absolutely There is a sort of like dark underpinnings wiped the groups are really sweet. So that kind of offset them. And I think that's always been the kind of like fund saying about top music the blues rock um, is there that you can take some darkness, but you put that beat to it and somehow it You somehow just through the music you transcended, did you do you sense that at all? Yes, definitely. I think uh, it's got to have something in. Um, definitely like you said to offset the the dark edges to things. And I think, um, a lot of the music influences that I have have that fucking us do them. Uh, inaccessability that people can. Yeah, Coming connects on the three will level, but then also dance to it at the same time. So that's pretty important. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, on He'll tell us a little bit about your background, like, how did you, uh, when did you get there by the music Bug And, um, like up, You know, what did you do from there? Were you like Relay commute musician as a kid, or did you start playing as a kid or, or how did it does killing for you? Yeah, I didn't actually pick up the guitar until I think seventeen. Uh, gather started showing me some coerence. 'cause he always put at the Qatar since he was a lot younger. Um, but yeah, I grew up around music A lot. You know, my dad's record collection would be plan. Um, on the on the weekends of course. Uh, and then I I would watch, you know, MJ perform, You know, every Friday night I'd watch moon walker is like a seven year old You know, like just totally into it. Um. And and so I picked up the guitar, You know around eighteen is just started uh, messing around. Um, my brother and I started putting songs together, you always had this, uh, this really weird, Um, all these weird ideas that he would bring, but they would also have this catchiness do them. It'd be pretty strange, But then have the accessibility to him an Um, and so once I took one of his weird ideas and and starting to run with it. Um, we came up with some pretty different sound in music was, like I said, still accessible. So, um, At that point you know, it was pretty clear that we should we should pursue that, uh, a little bit further. So that that brings us to, to this album pretty much. Okay. All right. So you just kind of it. I mean, one is one. The It, it. It's a wide variety of circumstances. I mean, you know a lot. There's there's people that were, you know, singing in church it five And then there's people that don't pick it up till, you know, the 20s or or later. And, um, you know, it's, you know, when you have a you have it like, you just you you, you know, for guy He doesn't say it doesn't have the big of a background. And then me somehow you seem to latch on to, uh, understanding how song should be put together. Did you learn a lot of you'd like learn to one of their other people's music to kinda like study or or did you just like start writing songs right away? Uh, pretty much just jumped into writing songs. I've never been that egg in two, um, covers or anything like that. Although I do place and covers just ones that, uh, that I really feel emotionally connected to one, but that's uh, that's not the dominating factor. I wouldn't say. Um, I think my brother had a really good sense of how to put together a song And and you transferred that me Plus just being around, you know, being a huge fan of Music and in pretty much being obsessed with music, You know, by What am I know? It is my number one pass. And so um, I had this sort of osmosis like sense of how a song should be put together. But then again, we like to mess with that and we we don't like to follow the you know, A, B, A, B C sort of uh, the typical. You know, if you listened to an eagle song or something like that, we don't we don't like the follow that typical, um, progression of a song like much about quite a bit. So. Play experimenting with the form a little bit. Yeah, definitely anywhere we can surprised the listener is miss something we like to take advantage of. Um, yeah. Um, tell us a little bit about their production of this record now are I, Are you you're playing all the instruments? Yes. A reformed all them except for I my brother did the lead guitar unsee songs titania and the urge s-. Okay. And and this was This was produced what this is, This is when you can reading your vile here. Is this just a done in the when you went to North Woods, uh, of Wisconsin as it is that Well, how you Is that? Were you put it together? Where did you just rights on there and then go to a studio? Uh, no. I actually recorded of all, uh, either in my studio at my house. Um, and then to finish the album we want, I want to spark yourself to be, um, to the cabinet on the North Woods to just, uh, put the finishing touches on the album and do some shopping bolt will work basically. So I got that auction. You know, that the production of the, the album for the most part, uh, was was created over a couple of years losing some of these songs or, or three to four to five years old. So. No Okay. This is kind of been the process for a few years now. I was looking at your, um, uh, your SoundCloud, uh, where we can we can get we'll sample of what you're doing. Not Wow many tracks her on this cause them, Uh, all all the other. The album has ten tracks. Okay. Um, there's one just intro track. Um, I think we call it sort of appellate cleanser, uh, hook aims to set up for the rest of the album. It's all right as an interdict, introductory, um, introductory track. And then the last very last track. All the right buttons is, is sort of connected to the urge. It's really a four-part song, but the fourth part is slightly different even more different than the rest of the parts. So we decided to make that its own track that closed the album s-. Okay, So there's like a fee matic sort of thing happening. Uh, with record. I would say so oats is so wake yourself opens. Its right now. That's our signature song, I would say. And um, the rest of it is sort of a, a retrospective of a lot of the ups and downs in rollercoaster life that I've lived up to this point. So Right. Well, we put them back into Well, we're gonna come back and talk a little bit about the rollercoaster a second, but I want to, uh, go ahead and give the audience of sample. Let's go ahead and listen to, oh, wait. So you're talking my, This is wake yourself. Uh, Patrick, the Clinton plan of playing pretty What, what is your your is you wrote on this one or not? Be is not like I said, packets doing all of their own Marily us up on the all him. Uh, from the project down on Matti wake yourself on the Lou Dini rock and roll circus. Check it out.