Good evening if you want and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour in New York, and Donald Trump meets with his national security team today to strategize on a challenging year ahead, dealing with North Korea as a fledgling nuclear power and whether or not to keep the Iran nuclear deal alive. This as the White House announced the president will attend. The annual policy won't talking shop in Davos Switzerland later this month inside sources describing it as an America first vindication tool correspondent Robin Reid has witness the tension first hand in both Iran and North Korea. Her latest piece for the New Yorker is called Iran in turmoil to Trump's delight. And Daniel Coats Falin served in the State Department as a policy planner. And he was Foreign Policy Advisor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. He's now the executive editor of Foreign Affairs and welcome to both of you. So it couldn't be more challenging or more exciting or more scary, right? I mean, what. Both of you, do you think we should be looking and we just mentioned North Korean, Iran, Is that really where we should be focusing? So I would I would start with North Korea and zoom out from Trump. A lot of Trump's policy in North Korea has been more sound and fury. You could say than fire and fury. It's change less than many people thought, but the next year is going to put to the test a stated policy of three or four American administrations which that we will not accept a nuclear North Korea. And as this crisis comes to a head Washington's really going to have to reckon with the question of whether that is really a red line were willing to stand by. I actually would take to other countries and say they're more important to the future of the United States, more important to our long-term foreign policy. One is Russia clearly in a critical year because Putin faces reelection. I his expansionist desires ambitions are ever clearer. And then China of course where the president Xi Jinping is really the major power of Asia than the major challenge the United States weather. It's in terms of military might or economic strength. So I think that that there are a whole range of issues that we once thought we kind of had a modus operandi, and we don't in what police pick up on China because it dubbed tells with North Korea as well. And in fact, Richard Haass whose head of the Council on Foreign Relations former State Department says that the US under President Trump is engaged in an abdication of global leadership and walking away from institutions and alliances that set the rules for the world and not least in the Pacific. Do you think that is an accurate depiction of where America is today? I think that is an accurate depiction. I also think that the the consequences are gonna be long term rub in short-term in some ways. In the short term, this reduces friction between the United States and China. So it's a good example of the transaction was on that. Donald Trump has made the centerpiece of his approach the world. It's really going to be probably in the next Presidency that we're going to start paying costs for about. When we see challenges in the South China Sea will rise when we see the effects of a long-term American abdicate. Now, leadership on human rights on democracy on global economic openness on green energy. And so I I would look to the effects of VAT, not now, but in a few years. And when it comes to North Korea. I mean, it's a little bit like whiplash at the moment you've got this issue of leadership. You've got President Trump on the one hand talking tough militry sort of game and comparing sizes of nuclear buttons. And this now on the other hand saying they'd be he'd be willing to engage with North Korea under the correct conditions. In terms Do we know where the policies headed on North Korea? Now the problem is he talks about not allowing North Korea to keep its nuclear weapon, And the problem is it so far along in its programme, It's dispersed at So in so many places around the country. That will be very hard to take it out militarily and the cost of a war would be so. A devastating for that part of Asia for the United States for some of our alliances that the military option. So that means would you try to do you try to figure out a policy that will contain North Korea so that it will feel, okay, They've got capability, but they're not going to use it and they know the price will be too high. And that's where I think the president's policies in some ways unrealistic. Given that this week there was kind of a breakthrough I mean this first meeting in several years between North and South Korea. I mean, again is is kind of whiplash we don't know whether they're at each other's throats or are they trying to sort of deconflict What do you what do you how do you assess that? And of course what President Moon of South Korea said that it was President Trump who helped contribute to this. This sort of reference Mall, Right? So I I think president Moon was being very savvy in giving Trump credit for something he did not in fact deserve credit for It's a it's a strategy that readers around the world have employed. Two took it a fact which is to be as obsequies as possible to President Trump and then do whatever you. Need to do on the side to mitigate the dangerous, his behavior. And I think that's exactly what happened with the the, the toxin Korea this. I mean, Interestingly rub in and and Daniel In fact of the read out from South Korea was that the South Korean read out, quoted the president as saying, you let them know. I Pyongyang that there will be absolutely no military action as long as inter-Korean talks a going. That's what President Trump said is that wise to sort of signal at all. I mean, maybe it is wise to take this military threat off the table right now. That's great. And let's all hope that diplomacy make some progress migrate. Fear is that this is a PR stunt by Kim Jong-un and that especially getting the South Koreans to pay for the delegations, not just the athletes, but you know, the cheerleader cheerleaders, an and all the others, the delegation that will go with them to the Olympics to the Olympics. And that In the meantime, the North Koreans kind of work away at their program. And, uh, they have given every indication that they're not going to roll back their program. And the danger is that we get through this period of brotherly love and dialogue, and that we come out of it And all it takes is one set of tweets one test to get things back to exactly where we work And maybe with North Koreans of a little bit more capability. And that's why I don't read a lot into the potential yet of this dialogue. Let's hope. But in one final wrap up on those career before we move onto Iran, The Wall Street Journal and others have talked about the so called bloody nose strategy that the United States is seriously considering some kind of minitry tap exercise. If there's another test, all whatever of the North Korean nuclear capabilities or its intercontinental ballistic missile, Is that realistic? And what actually do you think that would do? What was the consequence? It's it's it's the kind of auction that sounds appealing at a very high level. But when you look the actual consequences, It gets terrifying very fast. You have hundreds of thousands of Americans within range. You have millions of South Koreans and Japanese. And there's every reason to think that Kim would be inclined to respond to these on American attack coming in, not brings pretty scary consequences. Totally this on the call, use it or lose it, And is there is some kind of even if it's limited, the North Koreans will almost definitively view that as the first round of US aggressive policy, whatever our intentions, They are not going to buy this bloody nose option, and they'll worry about wealth. We don't use it now that we're going to lose a down the road. And and especially with an impetuous. Yang leader who doesn't have the kind of Werleigh experience of either his father as grandfather. Let's move to Iran and try to drill down on what will make America and the rest of the world's safest in this now big, You know kerfuffle in the White House and the Trump administration shall we keep the Iran deal shunt, we shall we waive the sanctions again, shall we not in a nutshell, for Americans who may be sort of your Julius about this, What is the value of the nuclear deal as it stands today? The most important most interested in and Robbins views on this. But the most important fact is that it has contain the North Korean, nuclear threat. Everything we worried about early in the of administration in the latter years of the Bush administration has been contained and there's no indication threat Iran in nuclear threat yet And rubbing. Uh, it's the most important non-proliferation treaty in a quarter century. It sets a precedent. It's important for our North Korea policy and for. Other regime That is considering developing the world's deadliest weapon, It also opened the door to discussion of other things to try to unravel it. The bigger question Christiane It really is what is Trump's Ultimate strategy is he they talk about They don't want to deal with the regime unless it changes its behavior. But when you press them, Does that mean regime change? They claim? No. That just means they have to stop doing the things they're doing. But the danger is that the current set of actors in Tehran, The current policies, uh, would not be acceptable for the Trump administration and that what they're effectively talking about. His regime change and these protests have pushed that argument forward and the president on New Year's day before most of us were awake, tweeted No time for change. The Iranian people want freedom. And so he's taking this agenda a little bit further, much further than President Obama because we saw the same protests in two thousand nine I was there on the ground and it was absolutely notable. That in fact, President Obama did not step forward in a. In a in a way to defend the protest as it goes your new Article, I said, his turmoil into in Iran to Trump's delight. Water w- how do you how did this Star We we we understand that you know President Rouhani of course with his budget, basically made it transpired that he's forced to give billions of dollars to the hardliners to the conservatives to the religious. Was it his gambit or was it a plot against him? It was a perfect storm. You had escalating prices any way in part because they're the government's trying to undertake reforms that the IMF for the World Bank would want him to to take. At the same time you had the calling of poultry for fears of avian flu, so that jack prices up. Then you had the president trying to be transparent, showing his budget, But exposing also how much money the religious institutions receive. And of course that means the regime. And you had hardliners who wanted to discredit President Rouhani because there is the beer context of this is the transition who will succeed the supreme leader who is ageing and some claim a little bit ailing and honey is one of the key alternatives. And so we're is a hardline cleric who ran against him for president, and the consensus opinion is that it was the hardliners in Mashad who started this to discredit President Ronnie. And then it took off in a way that was beyond anybody's. Yeah, And it is beyond anybody's experienced thirty one cities will more around the country. They're not as huge as the ones in '09 but they're much more sustained. I mean, they've they sort of tape it off a little bit, but there's still a sense that people are angry. I was staggered by President Rouhani actually saying, you know, to his own cohort. How can we expect these young people to live like we live these different generations? As you said, the majority weren't even born before the revolution. And the majority of voters now have been born since the revolution you have among that young generation, You have officials, statistics claim, twenty nine percent unemployment with you include underemployment It could be as high as forty percent. That's not sustainable. So you had the working classes who are feeling the brunt of the economic issues plus the young who took to the streets. But this is not two thousand nine at all. We we had eight days of protests. The Green movement lasted for six months. Then then You had millions of people. What was stunning about these protests that you didn't have the reformers getting out on the street, The people who were the Green movement protesters, there's not that coming together of the different factions in Iran and Daniel. Obviously, people are looking at the whole sort of big picture 1979 The revolution was a pivotal year for for hardline postal politics, religious politics in the region. And people are looking at the somewhat sort of lifting of restrictions by Saudi Arabia on the people and trying to liberalise Islam. There They, Luke. At potentially Iran sort of changing it strives. Do you see it that way? Is it huge and transformative right now, or we still not quite sure the way this is going. I think we're not quite sure it's a moment of turmoil throughout the region and different kinds of governments are looking for different strategies to deal with that turmoil in in various ways. I think the temptation from Washington is to see it as all about Arsenal about US policy. I think that's true with Iran where we would like to thank the protests are all about Iranian foreign policy and and the kinds of activities that US officials don't like, but we should remember each one of these cases. It's fundamentally about local conditions in local politics and not try to make at all about the United States. Daniel because Fillon Robin Reid wish we had more time. 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