Listen: Who Is Viktor Orban? The Far-Right Leader Who Sat Down With Trump
"It's a great honor to have with us, the prime minister of Hungary, and Victor Bonn has done a tremendous job in so many different ways highly respected respected all over Europe. Probably like me a little bit controversial. But that's okay. That's okay. You've done a good job the little bit controversial Hungarian prime minister who was hosted and praised by the president today is in fact, a lot controversial the right wing. Ultra nationalist is overseen. What many see is a backsliding away from liberal democracy consulting, the free press, even kicking vaunted university out of the country. He is also according to critics and outright anti Semite. In fact, last year, he gave a campaign speech framing migration as an existential threat and blaming it on George Soros, the Hungarian-born financier and holocaust survivor who orbin alleges is trying to undermine his country. Sound familiar these speech reads in part like a textbook intruding intro into antisemitic? Insults I'm quoting here. The translation we are fighting an enemy that is different from us not open but hiding not straightforward. But crafty, not honest, but base, not national, but international does not believe in working, but speculates with money does not have its own homeless. Land. But feels it owns the whole world. Could God told me now talk more about orbit and what to make of his White House? Visit his Franken four staffer the Atlantic whose latest piece is titled Viktor Orban's war on intellect Franklin. How big a deal was it for the president to invite Victor Orban over it's a huge deal. We talk about normalizing things here with Donald Trump. Donald Trump in effect was normalizing Viktor Orban's or bond is somebody who should be roundly. Denounced by the western democracies of the world, the Europeans have had a mixed record in denouncing him as he's gone about decimating, the civil society of his country, and we're bond craves getting wrapped in the legitimacy of the president of the United States. And here he was basking in the reflected glory of this relationship. It was something that he was begging for he was angling for in fact, sucking up to Trump in order to get this meeting and it hadn't happened in here. Was one of the most disturbing things he's done, and you chronicle part of this and your story is just kind of using the power of the state to wage war on independent sources of thority. Whether that's the press NGOs and universities. What what what has he done with the power that he has in Hungary? So the state of the art autocrat doesn't need to resort to violence doesn't need to resort to surveillance or midnight knocks on the door or bond is trained as a lawyer, and he's used the legal system and rewritten codes of law and used Kronius stick connections corruption to remake the press hungry was was a success story coming out of the Soviet era. It developed robust media it had robust universities. And there were there was a there was an adversarial political system, but under Oregon, that's all disappeared. His cronies have bought up. Most of the media because the state controls advertising universities, which once were very very high quality, especially relative to the rest of the region. Now have a chancellor embedded in them. And the chancellor dictates is appointed by Orban's indictates spending decisions research which used to flow through an independent and very prestigious academy is now doled out by a crony up a hack in Orban's government. What I find really chilling are the parallels between his obsession with by Gration with immigrants and scapegoating them. And particularly this idea, which you you get on the American right that like this foreign Phoenix here Jewish financier. George Soros is funding immigration, the US to undermine the country that the belief of the synagogue shooter the tree of life in Pittsburgh avowedly before he committed his mass murderer how central is that story to Orban's. It's it's. Two thousand fifteen there was a migration crisis. You had lots of refugees fleeing the Syrian war flee North Africa going through Hungary to points, north in Germany, and in Scandinavia and Orban's saw that as a huge political opportunity to try to remake himself as the leader of the European national nationalist populist, dick movement and his his big"