"James and Rachel from a delic a five year. Old nonprofit advocating for people in psychoactive plants plants and fungi starting at the local level for safe sustainable access and local abundance. Welcome to the show guys. Thanks for having US really glad you're here now. You guys came down. I'm from what Eugene Yes we did this morning so we really appreciate that now. Let's get to know a deli. Okay well we basically started the the organization back in two thousand fourteen and it wasn't formalized at that point but it was a really simple idea. We didn't actually intend to start a nonprofit in the first place. There is basically two or three people in Eugene and we all had this collectively shared problem in that we had a lot of literature and psycho books that we just been collecting over the years and when we looked at all together. We're like this is a pretty formidable collection of information and it's really just sitting on our bookshelves collecting dust. At this point. Most of us had read through it. We got a feel for it and we had incorporated a lot of those ideas into our life already so we thought let's do the cool charitable thing like like. Let's get it altogether catalog and then give it to the public library like Jim Public Library or the university library so we spent and a couple of weeks. We got it all organized and then we started going out and doing the outreach and at the time it was like two thousand fourteen it was before Michael Pollen Kmau. How before this big wave of like people weren't talking openly about psychedelics? Sure at that phase and time as they are today so we got. We thought. We're going to get warm reception but actually you know the libraries will well know thank you. It's cool but not so much One of the groups libraries. So we'll we'll take it but we're not gonNA keep it like as a collection we're going to disperse it through the Inter Library loan system and you know so we'll have parts of it here and then other parts will be over there and for us we were thinking like they're watering it. Down on the point of it is a psychoactive library community folks and have access to this so that ended up we said well. Let's just do it ourselves then. Group of three of US started debt. And we said let's just put up a website. Let's get the book. Titles out there and we started as a bicycle book loan delivery service. We had a website site phone. Number people would call us. Hey I saw that you got this. You know little website up here with all these books and it was just real chilling casual. You know we get together. Get it coffee people. Say can you can check out this book or this book and then we would go meet and we would talk and share ideas and when they returned the books without follow up conversations and so it just emerged like that for the first year we were just meeting people hanging out having fun And at ETA certain point somebody arrives and said Hey. We're really like what you're doing Are you interested in launching being a plant conservatory around this. And so that led to having a spot where we could start cultivating some of the plants that we are educating the community about so thoroughly and and to me that was one of the most interesting phases of it because it was everybody was learning learning at their own pace. What they wanted to learn how deep they wanted to learn about it And they were going in all different directions. People were studying author policy studying psych. Science people were studying You know the biography and the figureheads the movements throughout the fifties and sixties in the seventies indies. People were studying. What are the modern manifestations festival culture? They were looking at different indigenous traditions. So there's just this community buzz. That just grew grew and grew around the books themselves and as word spread people said well if reading and educating ourselves so much about and we're getting the INS and outs like why don't we start. Cultivating debating them. That wasn't even on our map. To begin with. We were just wanting to get the books out there. So at that point we decided to incorporate as a nonprofit so that we could have the ability to have a board of directors. And kind of come around this idea formerly like Wolf. We're GONNA take responsibility for this information this knowledge in this library collection and and we're committed to getting this information out and no one else is going to do it. We'll take on that role responsibility and have a good time and fun doing it. Yeah so the conservatory then grew it ended up with multiple species in the conservatory would do work. Parties volunteer started joining on like cactus planning parties. And things like that where we would try to share the abundance of the conservatory with others and teach them. Here's how you grow. Here's the here's the myth around these. Here's the law here's the science etc etc.. So so that way people could empower themselves. Around is medicinal plants and fungi. Which is interesting? Because there's a lot of people. Oh that are interested in more. So than what you'd really think I mean people from all ages different backgrounds People enjoy cannabis A lot of people are out there. Enjoying these psychedelics. And anthea JEN's and plants that come from nature but we're just now starting to talk about it and a a good example. Is that you put out these books right well so when we started With the Conservatory we. We then started to put on conferences. And and to me it really shows how. The community is a desirable Desirable and a need so like people come Tom and they say well. I'm just really happy that there's a space that I feel comfortable coming in just sharing openly about my experiences I'm about my processes and we started doing conferences and it just it brings people together and That may not have had the opportunity to get together in any other circumstance. Because how do you. How do you find these communities? You know you've got were at the grass roots. Were building it And so with the conferences says we we work with education. At that point. We're educating the public were also allowing a space for people to come together as a community and then we're also We would bring a plant whatever plant we're focusing on for that conference we would have the plant there and it was the opportunity for people to start building a relationship with it with with a sacred intentional setting and And we would have integrative practices that would include practices such as Yoga. She Gong and meditation. And it's just bringing in a different perspective of how to Respond relate to these plants right. So part of Our Name is ethnobotanical which is the relationship between humans implants and so we're introducing different ways for people to have a relationship with those plants and Yeah you like what you said. These are plans this is nature. Why have have we become so separated from I mean whether it be laws or You know politics or whatever I understand that but why is it that we've now as a society becomes so separated from the very thing we essentially came from. Yeah I I personally me believe it has to do in part with For a long time we've been living this paradigm of a Christian model and that Christianity in their first book of the Bible says do not eat the fruit of wisdom. And so for me. I believe I believe we have been being brainwashed for. Thousands of years would be safe to say that most religions religions I would say. Modern religions have went that direction in terms of again. I don't know the word but making it wrong. I'm to be a part of nature right I I would. I would say that's probably true to say I would say the emphasis for the religions has been on on whatever. God It is that they are worshiping and nature Where we come from gives a different from perspective of what God made look like and when you're trying to Create a dog mark create a religion and then have people follow. You can't really have much freethinking and and your own and your own sense of God connection action with God and nature the ironic part. Is that if you go way back I think a lot of our religious came from psychedelics. Then we just got disconnected from it. Do you think that that was all purpose. Sure if you're if you're trying to be the powerful powerful and you're trying to have the followers then absolutely you have to have that that input you have to have that approach to it and You know and it shows like with the witches and how they were the. The Christians went after the witches. or it's just and it's true in the indigenous on. I mean even just coming over here to the states right. Indigenous People here had many practices in relationships with points and we called called them barbarians. I believe and Just another way to to to be able to call them a name name and then say that the reason that they are barbarians is because of their plants in the no longer allowed to serve those or to practice with them. Yeah I find that highly strange. Go to disconnect from the very place that we came from like we didn't come from buildings or roads or or any kind of political agenda. We came from the very place that we're trying or we have outlawed literally and we've forgotten it's been so long forgotten but that brings us right up to what you guys are doing so because of the politics six in the agendas and stuff like that. Now we've had to group together as people and bring these truths back out What do you guys do specifically? Typically that is going to allow this to happen. I mean you got education. You've got these books. I think the literature piece is so oh fundamental for a couple of reasons One is that it provides different glimpses into there's this whole streams of the knowledge emerging. I think from nature and like what we do through words and literature is that we kind of we tried to distill down we try to capture the essence and then transmit that essence Out like here is how these cultures worked with these plants and fungi in this particular fashion. You know it's one thing to archive that into talk about. It's another to actually participate in it. So what we tried to do with the library is how can we always point people to information and knowledge streams that they're looking to tap into so we consider it a decentralized open access open source educational pathway essentially so people come in to us and they say hey yeah well I'm a scientist we've had PhD's come in. I'm looking for neurochemical research on this particular plant or fungi. So we can point them to the science section. And they're like Oh okay. I'll find my way from here. We have people that come in and are interested in the religious traditions. Why I've heard that there's You Know Tribes Africa that are working with Z bogut. Do you have any research on that. So we'll point them to that direction. The library my goal is always just helped match people up with their own internal interest because I think through intrinsic curiosity if we can match people with that with information they take it from there we have many people that came in hardly knew anything about psychedelics. Came to the library found what they wanted. And then that was it. We didn't see them again to me. That's a job. Well done churn. One created dependent kind of relationship where people have to keep coming back to the quote unquote expert. And I think that's part of why I the Internet has some limitations in terms of psychedelics. You know the book was the book. Nineteen eighty-four were. They used to burn the books. No Fahrenheit four fifty one so internet is great. Internet is fantastic. You can have a lot of data you can It was basically limitless at the same time. There's an algorithm eq function behind what you're seeing and increasingly in today's as world that's getting monetize it's getting corporatized. And there's a financial incentive to pull people's direction in a way that the advertisers and the moneymakers wanted to go and so oh in the beginning of the Internet it was very democratic was very open source.."