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"You know one of the things that she it seemed like Harris spent much of the campaign Not really wanting to fight within the Democratic Party but actually wanting to fight with The Guy in the White House Donald Trump and You know there was times during the debates where she would look straight into the camera and and Bait trump like all just just like it just seemed like she just really just all she wanted was for him to start tweeting about her so he could you know they could get into a fight and the and the the story could be her taking him on and And then just now you know yesterday. After she dropped out trump trump tweets about her and and Harris Harris immediately tweets back. Now I'll see you in the Senate for impeachment this. This seems to be the fight that she was looking for like. Wh How do you think. A trump versus Harris campaign would have gone you. You know I mean just the people people who are interested in the puget Listrik of this. Her dropping out is a tremendous disappointment because see very sharp and she's very quick on her feet and you know see seems to be the kind of person who ended debate would just fillet A person like Donald Trump and one of the posts does he made with you know Donald trump junior said something about her campaign being a joke and she replied on social media. Saying you wouldn't know a joke if you were raised by it. which which just you know you almost practically here people across the country going? ooh You know you said that and so It really seems like she would have been A really serious candidate once it got to the general election Johnny. Thank you thank you. Then just sending you a clue to your email eighty Shaukat. You're busy doing no work Ben. Wallace wells is a staff writer covers politics for the New Yorker. Let's go under the hood a little bit with the the Harris Candy. Think one story. That's going to likely get told old About her campaign is that there was a kind of policy ideological muddiness That hurt her that she never kind have picked if she was going to appeal more to the left or to the moderates and the Democratic Party that she walked back her support for Medicare for all which is like one of the key the issues at the center of this campaign. You know how how. How big of a role do you think that played? I think it mattered You know another another are sort of element of policy that she sort of leaned on very early and then drops was was a kind of What you call the lift back? which was sort of a broad anti poverty program? Oh grab You know not only was she sort of muddy u Whether she was left or center but she was also had a kind of complicated. You did Position around heroine role in the race. You know she sometimes talked about herself as a deliver of truth you ticker who would. Who would bring justice? Who wanted to you know to kind of reestablish the rule of law after trump But that was if not at odds with then at least intention with some of the kind of more expansive Left wing gestures that she made you know. I I think the truth about the Harrison. It's just like the collapse of the campaign is over determine their you know three or four or five reasons that That it could have ended. Did you know she. She failed to attract the support of donors she failed to attract you know much popular. Enthusiasm her message She's seemed to be somewhat different candidate. Depending on what point in the race you encountered her. So let's step back a bit. Because I think you know Harris this is is maybe the most prominent. But it's one of a half dozen candidates who came into this campaign thinking that they were going to try to bridge bridge. The progressive left wing of the Democratic Party and the moderate or center sort of Wing and it just didn't happen and you know I'm wondering how you explain that like. What is this split? Just just is nobody navigate. This split Split. I just think it's a bigger split than it's been in the past. You know the difference between the kind of policy regime that Bernie Sanders Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren wants to see enacted which a lot of a democratic voters are behind The the difference between that and and the kind of policy agenda and even mode of politics that Joe Biden came up sort of steeped in Over the last you know twenty or thirty years those are just like very different Ange though you know Barack Obama was more talented politician than anybody. That's in the president field. He also had a narrower gap to bridge between the left and and moderate wings of the party but it does leave us in A pretty eye opening situation You know before the Iowa caucuses. Where are you know? They're a four likely nominees. Three of them are over. Seventy and their politics are very very fixed. You know everybody everybody knows. Exactly what. Joe Biden Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren stand for And we have one cigarette. Maybe a fourth contender Buddha judge which was very new and very young and his public image is not at all fixed and you know it it feels the one thing that I think With Harris dropping out you know the fueled possibilities is is clarified. You know we have a very few people and they they mostly stand for very particular things and one of those people will be the nominee Ben. Thanks sure just recently. I've been working on a project about campaign volunteers. These are the people people who put in hours days weeks of knocking on doors and making phone calls And you know hosting people in their homes campaign staff offer no money because they believe in the candidate and just this week Before Harris dropped out her campaign put me in touch with a a volunteer based Moines Brooke. Black black started volunteering Harrison April and By her estimate estimate since June she has made on average about six hundred calls a week for the campaign. which if you do the numbers is somewhere around? Thirteen thousand calls total total so Brooke just tell me a bit about how you got involved in the Kama Harris campaign. MM-HMM SO I had decided from watching the judiciary committee where Kamla had questioned having undecided. Right at that moment that I was going to. You support her. The candidate she ever ran for president and once she made it official. I started reaching out to her campaign in Iowa Where I had just recently moved back to and I signed up first of all I support our housing and I've had somebody living at my house? Ebbrell three or four different people then well and then it progressed from there. I started making phone calls Monday through Sunday and knocking on doors every Saturday a day in every Sunday with the exception of three separate weeks that I was on down since when since June. So how many how many phone calls which is did you say you. We're doing a week. I was roughly around six hundred phone calls a week. And then canvassing Saturday two packets packets. And when you were calling people and knocking on doors you know. Tell us about the kinds of people you're talking to in the kind of conversations you were having well. It was still very early on so a lot of people were. We're like you know. I just want to see what goes on. I WANNA watch a couple of debates I wanNA see all the candidates interact But a lot of times you know as we progressed further. I still maintain that they. We're just very undecided and trying to decide okay. Can a windy elected can a woman of color elected and I've said this countless the Times that if every single person that I talked to the doors are on the phone said I'm not sure if a woman can be elected would have thrown their support behind her solidly. She would be our our next president. I mean as I mean can you can you think of an example of Of Time where you had that conversation I in particular and how it went. Yeah I talked to a woman At a door she was just coming home and she said you know I have two little girls I wanNA see. A woman beat the president of the United States and I absolutely love Comma Harrison. But she's a great candidate but I'm not sure she could win. Why why why wasn't she sure you know she just said because I don't know that we can elect a woman? President we try didn't twenty sixteen. It didn't work and that was my experience experience a lot but also my experience were a lot of people that were supporting Kamla and that was also very energizing and exciting to see and and after putting in all this work and the months and and having people in your home has a feel that the campaign is over now. It's emotional absolutely everybody. Everybody has put in a lot of hard work especially Senator Harris and to see what potential we could have or to see that we could actually have a woman as the president. A woman of color. it's still very inspiring and it campaign campaign maybe over but the fight continues and I I I just think. I'm very grateful for the experience experience that I had in supporting the candidate. I truly believed to be the next president. Okay Brooke at thanks. Thanks so much for making the time time for us thank you. That's Eric Latch. He spoke with campaign volunteer Brooke. Black and with Dana Goodyear Jilani Cobb and Ben Wallace swells up the New Yorker. I'm David Ramnik. And thanks for listening to the New Yorker Radio Hour.."