05-25-20 Jesse Wente: Broadcaster, film director and critic
View in different. Look on this place at that. We now all share it and so when we speak point of views especially coming from her indigenous nations. We often make people uncomfortable because that point of view is pushing back against maybe a way of thinking or the way quote unquote. It's always been talk to me about that about When people are uncomfortable when indigenous people are pushing back. Well I think that's a function of Of One hundred well five hundred years I guess of the relationship Because I think in general the larger sort of over culture gets uncomfortable when because everyone I think gets uncomfortable when they're confronted with truths that they didn't know or are confronted with a policy and inequality. Because I think human beings in general have a fairly deep-felt one of those things and and don't want them you know. I don't think anyone wants to feel in equal or dehumanized or And so when you point those things out you and especially when you're pointing them out to say the majority that can absolutely caused some discomfort. But as I always say. I think one of the things we have to do is learn to marinate Perhaps in that discomfort because I think for indigenous peoples for a lot of us. Discomfort is a daily thing. You know that there's there's parts of this world now that make us uncomfortable and that I in in many ways are meant to make us in comfortable and since we're sharing so much on these lands now we share a little bit of that of that discomfort To and I don't think it's a great imposition and in fact if people find themselves uncomfortable it's probably really important to determine the source of that discomfort. Which really is not the Messenger. It's not the person that exposes you to truth. That is the issue. It's that it's the. It's the reconciliation with that actual truth. That's important and so if something makes you uncomfortable or something You know upsets you. Get to the root of why. You're actually made uncomfortable or upset at that. And it's usually not the person delivering that message is usually a disconnect with your own understandings or or point of view. You know something. I hear where I've heard a lot. I hear less of it now but Something I heard when I started doing some of this work or speaking this way was non indigenous people would say. Why can't you just get over it and referencing history? Not Ancient history still relatively recent history and ongoing things but set that aside for a second but the one big takeaway that I've learned is when people say that it's really. They're talking to themselves that it's they who have to get over it and what they're trying to get over is the truth that they've just come in contact with. Is that discomfort that they feel and so I think that's really up to them and not up to us. It's not up to us to comfort a culture and a society that has caused so much discomfort and that is putting it mildly to say the least So I I don't take a lot of onus onto myself or I think should be put onto our community to be Responsible for that discomfort because we're not the inequality the the hypocrisy that indigenous peoples point out on a daily basis on social media. That is not for us to be uncomfortable about pointing it at. We're made uncomfortable by those things every single day. So I think it's a power dynamic and I think it's okay. I think it's OK. The people are uncomfortable in my experience. That's a daily thing so I think that's fine. Spread the wealth. Welcome Jesse's World Jesse. It's interesting you know this term. Just get over it. I remember years ago listening to the savage family and there was a track on their Where they had a comedian who later on got called out for their stance against native Americans and and the line in there. You know was boo boo. Get over it and Thinking about that conversation and then remember Wanting to do a program about it and bring this big question to it. How do we feel about? Just get over it. That blossomed into a huge conversation. I was glad that that moment came to me of wanting to bring this kind of conversation. Ford a Lotta Times. When we get into that conversation it gets really heated. And we don't go anywhere with the conversation except You know have our blood pressure rise. How do we make that kind of conversation? fruitful so that it leads to change or understanding instead of just get over. It doesn't turn into anger any thoughts. Jesse well I mean I think I mean many thoughts in response to that and you thank you for doing that work and I know it's you know we all stand on the shoulders of people who've come before us and these are not new struggles there but the continuation of long struggles and so we can learn a lot from our woods. It's gone on. I think a I would say anger is not to be dismissed. Anger is emotion. And it's important it's what we do with it You know we should acknowledge that. It's okay to feel angry It's really what you do with that anger. That's important and and and I think what we should be doing with. It is making sure that it keeps the fires of change stoked and blazing and so that we can actually bring about a world where we don't have to get over anything where Or you know in and there's that's a fantasy land of course you always have to move on and reconcile things but of course the challenge with with the notion that you're talking about is that it's hard to heal if you're continually being wounded and four indigenous peoples here on on what what the might people call. Turtle Islands And really in any Settler colonial state like America or Canada or Australia you know we can go down the list. You know these. These injuries are not part of our history. They're not something that has ended. They are ongoing. I mean you mentioned in your introduction struggle for the rights of the wet and to determine their own activities on their own territory. That's an ancient struggle. The that's been going on since these settler colonial states were originally even before they were originally established. And so it's one of those things where it's it's tough to get over if the you know if you won't let us heal and I think we need to acknowledge that we need to. We do. Hang Tight Jesse you can talk to him. Phone lines are open today. Phone lines are closed for our encore presentation of Native America. Calling send us a tweet instead to one eight hundred nine nine native..