"Day nine seventy four of the trump administration once again we have breaking news news tonight centering around that explosive whistle blower complaint from inside the administration that has set off this latest battle with Congress. The Washington Post has already reported the complaint which was filed with the Intelligence Community Inspector General Involve Donald Trump's private communication with a foreign leader that included some sort of promise importantly the New York Times reported today the whistle blowers complaint is said to involve the multiple acts by the president but now tonight a short time ago the Washington Post Breaking the latest on this story in a four byline piece that includes foods carol lending who will join us in just a moment she and her colleagues report quote a whistleblower complaint about President trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine crane according to people familiar with the matter two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed trump spoke with the Ukrainian president who was elected in a landslide in May that call is already under investigation by House Democrats who are examining whether trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani sought to manipulate the Ukrainian government into helping trump's reelection campaign. Democrats earlier this month demanded records related to what they say are trump. Giuliani's efforts to co worse the Ukrainian in government into pursuing to politically motivated investigations one to help trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort a second to target the son of former Vice President Joe Biden. You may recall this comment from trump earlier this summer about receiving information on political rivals your campaign this time round of foreigners if Russia if China if someone else offers you information and opponent should accept or should be called the FBI. I think maybe Buedu bus. I think you might WANNA listen. I don't there's nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country Norway we have information on your opponent. I think I'd WanNa hear you want that kind of interference in our elections not interference. They have information. I think I'd take the house. Intelligence Committee media has been trying to get its hands on the actual whistle blowers complaint they've been met with a refusal from the current acting director of national intelligence who consulted consulted with the Justice Department on this matter. We can't stress enough. This is highly unusual if not unprecedented the refusal comes even as the Intelligence Communities Inspector General noted that complaint and quote met the definition of an urgent concern and that the complaints disclosure not not only falls within the jurisdiction but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNA is responsibilities to the American people well tonight the the president's lawyer in an eventful interview on CNN Rudy Giuliani said quote. It is perfectly appropriate. All I can tell you is if what is reported reported is true. It doesn't make it doesn't make any difference if the president of the United States said to the president of Ukraine investigate the corruption in your country country that has a bearing on our twenty sixteen election. Isn't that what he's supposed to do. In a moment here we're going to be able to speak to the former. CIA Director John John Brennan our panel is also standing by but first. We want to get straight to one of the reporters on this breaking story. The aforementioned Carol Lennick Pulitzer Prize winning investigative is to get a reporter for the Washington Post Carol Layout as best you can for our viewers the allegation here the phone call the backdrop and anything else we've left now. Oh so many things about this story Brian which you know we learned something new it feels like every day since chairmanships letter but so many things about this are surprising and unprecedented and tonight migrate colleagues at the Washington Post especially on the national security team team. I was just an assistant essentially to the story but they and and with a little help for me broke the story that these complaints this complaint about multiple communications by the president that were viewed as a flagrant and serious abuse involved his discussions with the president of Ukraine and there are a lot of questions because this complaint was filed August twelfth just two and a half weeks roughly after after the president had spoken with the president of Ukraine and according to a readout from the Ukrainian government the discussion was the president president of our country president trump saying that Ukraine could really help their reputation if they could complete these investigations into corruption it would really help with relationships between the two countries and that they could really help their image so already you have sort of this red flag being waved about this July twenty fifth call on August twelve a whistleblower whose identity is not yet public comes forward and then somewhere along the line the the inspector general has received this complaint is blocked from reporting it to Congress even though it is defined as an urgent concern under the statute forgive forgive this very basic question. Is there any evidence that is a direct line and not a dotted line that connects the nature of this whistle blower complaint linked with the Herculean and unprecedented efforts to keep this secret while I hope I understand your question properly Brian and this whistle blower is under what I can only imagine must be the most intense pressure because is on the one hand there is this terrifying element called the espionage act and if you violate it by sharing anything that is truly sensitive and endanger dangerous our national security. You're in a world of trouble but on the other hand there is the Whistle Blower Protection Act that was passed into law in the nineteen nineties indies for intelligence personnel so that they could come forward with sensitive materials there was great fear that they weren't allowed to come forward because the material was so sensitive and that act right now is basically being stalled and it appears that at least the Justice Department was conferred with about this decision that that the acting director of National Intelligence made blocking the I g from going forward and alerting Congress about the substance of what the president said that was so worrisome the promise that they made. I'm sorry that he made allegedly to the Ukraine. Carol lending is has agreed to stay with US and right now joining us by telephone is the former CIA director. John Brennan also happens to be our senior national security and intelligence analyst Director Brennan and when you hear Rudy say as he said tonight. If what they're saying is true. It doesn't make any difference. He just becomes the latest person listen. I've heard recently to say in effect. Some form of the president can say whatever he wants. Is that your understanding well. I think Rudy's defense and trump's comments and his tweet or belied by the very very rigorous accurate that the administration will and taking Sudan's this was a blow as complaint from going to the intelligence committees if it was appropriate in their minds if it was something that they had no concerns about why are they making this hurting efforts prevented from going forward it's clear that the whistle blower and the Inspector General of the Office of the DNA nine followed to the letter B. Procedures in the Whistle Blower Act and from my perspective the acting be an eye Joe McGuire who I know well and I had a lot of dunes within. He's a straight shooter in my mind. I'm sure he probably with his general counsel to make I'm sure that he would be doing is consistent with the law but unfortunately I think now department of Justice has become involved because it wouldn't be surprised that Joe Maguire's the council consulted with the Department of Justice which would be normal procedures and it's clear that our attorney general is a highly publicized individual who will use the instruments achievements power the Department of Justice to protect his client Donald Trump and so I don't know to what extent Joe McGuire is being being coerced intimidated threatened by the Department of Justice to not take these actions they could even be saying that they're the legal action taken against it's ten if he were to go forward and share this complaint so this is clearly a very abnormal very worrisome situation where the the whole intent or the whistle blower act is being clouded by the trump administration and it's preventing information that truly should go to the committee of communities have jurisdiction in the Congress and so I think we are at this point of scene. Trampling of our laws and procedures is by a individual any oval office who is being supported in this by an attorney general and justice that is not so filling what their responsibilities obligations are under the law. They're looking to do what the White House what Mr Trump wants done to our viewers a phrase. We use a lot around here. This is truly uncharted territory. I WanNa read something a frequent contributor of ours former. US Attorney Ernie Joyce Vance has just said on social media. If this turns out to be what the whistle blower complaint is about and it's accurate trump must leave office immediately a president president can't offer USA to a foreign country in exchange for prosecution of a political opponent heaven help us if we can all agree on that director Brennan Final Question. You've been around the block a few times. You certainly been in the Oval Office a lot. Is this an unusual phone call to over here on the part of the president of the United States well. I think it would have been people who were either in the room. When Donald Trump is making that call or individuals who read the memo M Khan a memorandum of conversation that was done on this but in my thirty plus years of experience Sir I have never seen a situation like this where there is this effort on the part of a president of the United States to prevent prevents the appropriate steps to be taken by the executive branch inside of the executive branch and to work with the Congress on something. That's that's the inspector. General says is urgent national security important. This is something that leave. The inpatient is going to get out. It's already getting out in dribs and bribes. I'm sure the whole thing will be out and I I tend to agree with Joyce. this is explosive and I think we have just I started to see this iceberg emerge"