Doug Jones's impeachment vote was more courageous than Romney's


Senator. Doug Jones of Alabama casts. Perhaps the most important vote of his Senate career. He voted to convict president trump on both articles of impeachment. It could cost him his seat this November but the man elect to fill jeff sessions. Seat doesn't care. He says it was the right thing to do. Senator Jones. Thank you for coming back to the PODCAST. No my pleasure enjoyed it last time. And I'm sure I will this time. Well you have had a a momentous few few weeks and by that I mean your vote on both articles of impeachment to convict President Trump and in your speech and on the floor of the Senate you said there will be so there were so many that will simply look at what I'm doing today and say it is a profile in courage it is not it is simply a matter of right and wrong were doing right is not a courageous act. It is simply following your oath and I bring up that quote because it was it was stirring during And cheered it on in a tweet but President Trump won Alabama by twenty eight points in two thousand sixteen eighteen and according to the morning console poll that I just looked at in Jan January his approval rating is sixty percent. Yeah I believe that. By the way the highest in the country. You don't believe that I've seen a number of different things. I don't believe it's not too far off but I do believe it's lower lower than that and what that concept poll also missing out a little bit is negatives have been an gradually growing so that gap is narrowing a considerably. Well I bring I bring up. The election totals in that particular poll result to ask it just a blunt question. Did your vote to convict on the two articles of impeachment. Seal your defeat this November. I don't think so. I not not by any stretch I think that people you know an Alabama they're gonNA it's one thing to support a president and their policies it's another thing to simply the acknowledged right from wrong and people in Alabama hard working folks. They know the difference between right and wrong. They may disagree with whether or not What what he did rose to the level of impeachment? But I don't think it seals the deal whatsoever. I think people are going to be looking at my record. They're going to see a record for people in Alabama on kitchen table issues just like ran in ran on. And that's the message that we're going to get across and the other thing too is I think you know people are going to see that. Vote as someone who had a lot of I put a lot of time minute. Put a lot of thought in and I really. This was an analysis that I did and at the end of the day. I came down and I'm going to be able to explain that I'll tell you Jonathan. I'll just candidly ever ran into A business leader and I won't go into detail so that people can't really identifying but he's I've known him for a long time he's a Republican business leader from an Alabama in Birmingham He was on the plane with me yesterday. And as we were getting off waited the jetway and he walked me down the jetway and he said Doug he said I just really admire you for voting your convictions and I wanNA help you in the campaign pain and got the address to send a check for the campaign. And I think there's going to be a lot of that in Alabama We'll see how it goes. How hard was was it to make that decision? Because I alluded to the fact that I sent out a tweet after watching your your speech. And everyone's given a lot of plaudits to Senator Senator Mitt Romney who should and they should that because he's a republican because he was the the twenty twelve Republican presidential nominee. But he's also from Utah and he's also wealthy and he's someone for he doesn't need this job and he. It does not stand the possibility of losing his seat because of that. Vote and as you said in your speech you know people say what you've done is profiling courage but yours was the the the more courageous vote because you put your career on the line for this vote. How hard was it to make this decision? It let me answer it this way. Okay because I I've said this to people over the last few days. It was not hard from a political standpoint because I honest to God did not consider it from a political standpoint. Okay I mean I'm sixty five years old. I've only been senator for three of those sixty five years. Okay I was a lawyer so this is you know I'm I'm I'm not that career politician that put that calculation in there like that but what I am is a lawyer and I've been trained as a lawyer and I've been trained to do the right thing I've been and trained to try to put the best foot forward for the constitution and what the founders I thought said and what they believed in the and try to put the pieces of that puzzle together so the difficulty of this of this vote had nothing to do with politics having said that it was still a difficult vote. I mean you know. I'm had to make a decision that to cast a vote to remove the president of the United States duly elected. Despite what a lot of people may say around all that he was duly elected he's GonNa be on the ballot. This was a weighty constitutional issue and so when I said that in by the way the quote that you gave was not something that I had prepared you know after we made the announcement which was about thirty minutes before I went to the floor. You know I started getting text messages. I saw twitter blowing up and people saying that in whatever and I'm sitting in the in the chamber listening to Kamla and listening listening to Maggie Hassen and I'm thinking about this and I realized you know people are saying things like that and I'm sitting at John. F Kennedy's desk now. I already have the quote quote from Robert Kennedy and so I'm thinking you know this is just Naronha. Won't people to think that I'm some. You know super courageous just got. I'm just doing the right thing. And so that that was something that I just inserted ad libbed on my own because really believed it and I'd been saying it's been consistent assistant with what I've said from the very beginning. I'M GONNA follow my oath both to defend the constitution and to do impartial justice right in that second oath to do impartial justice. Was this specific. Oath that you that all senators had to write to swear to as a part of the impeachment impeachment trial impeachment process. Did I read correctly. You took hundreds of pages of notes math four hundred thirty close to them. I think handwritten or you know I. They were all handwritten written. What were you? What were you noting? Well I was taking. It was almost like a stenographer. I mean when I'm in a trial my my my my training is a trial lawyer is to take notes because I am most of my clients never had the money to do like real time transcripts in those days as and so. I'm writing as fast as I can so that I can go in and I can look. I can prepare for cross examination or do whatever I need to do. And I've got two different different kind of pins. I got a blue pin because always right and blue and I got my blue Pimm it. I got up. Read one sitting over here because as I'm writing is I'm listening. Something's going to pop in my brain and going to put a star under and I'm going to outline and they wanNA ride in the margin question or a comment or something like that and so. That is my way of just reinforcing. Being the facts I wanted to know those fact. I had a pretty good handle on those with all the research and that we did leading up to this because we started working on this before it became an impeachment inquiry. We started working on this. And so that's what I did. It was just one of those things to try to make sure that because at the end of the day on new however voted I was. I'm going to be called on to justify that vote and I wanted to be able factually to to make that argument argumentatively to make the argument and the best way to do that is to write it. Write it write it write it. Write it and not just sitting there listening and start daydream enough

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