"It is a very very dangerous time and there's really no oversight that can fix it. There's no judicial the I didn't know judicial means to stop and the only way is through impeachment and I think this report just puts puts the onus really front and center in front of the House of Representatives to take it goes articles up that was former Justice Department spokesperson Matt Miller on the Rachel Maddow show with meat last night making clear that of all the potential impeachable offenses offenses against Donald Trump. It really doesn't get any worse than what was revealed by a national security whistleblower this week trump not just for the whistleblower but also according to his own attorney. Rudy Giuliani is literally doing the same thing. The Muller reports says he did with Russia soliciting help for his reelection from a foreign country in this case Ukraine a country that has part of its territory under Russian occupation right now as we speak in an op Ed for the Washington Post former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal and George Conway lawyer and husband of White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway wrote that if trump did that it would be the ultimate ultimate impeachable act unlike the allegations of conspiracy with Russia before the two thousand sixteen election these concerns these concerns trump's actions as president president not as a private citizen and his exercise of presidential powers over foreign policy with Ukraine moreover with Russia at least there was an attempt to to get the facts through the Mueller investigation here. The White House is trying to shut down the entire inquiry from the start depriving not just the American people but even congressional intelligence committees of necessary information and yet on Friday when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was confronted with all the outrage surrounding trump and the whistleblower complaint that his administration continues to withhold from Congress in violation of law by the way she still didn't budge you're describing ving potential acts of law breaking and many people here that and say if Congress does not pursue impeachment. Does it forever change the standard of what is acceptable behavior by any president. I don't know about lawbreaking said we don't have the information. I don't want to suggest that I said that because we we don't have the information while others may speculate. I have to go on the basis of the law and the facts and that's we're decisions will be made so why even with people's heads literally exploding that trump is now committing same collusion Robert Muller investigators found but this time as president why why won't Democratic Leadership Support Impeachment now as I've said before on this show it comes down to the numbers to the question of whether Pelosi has the democratic votes to to get an impeachment through the house and the fact that the speakers clear sole concern is keeping the House majority in democratic hands and that means her only focus this is those conservative leaning House Democrats who won in trump district and whether they will give her the votes even now with trump define congress defying the law and in the position to meet out retribution to this whistle blower through his conciliatory and the Justice Department Attorney General William Barr now we on the show reached reached out to a number of conservative. Democrats some of them are on the record of posing impeachment and some who are not either way to see if they would come to the show today come on the air and answer the question of whether on this issue that is about national security which presumably is important to them and their right of center senator constituents whether they would now give their party the votes on impeachment they all declined to come on the show and by the way any moderate or conservative Democrat who's willing to explain Blaine to our viewers why they don't support the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry in the face of alarms about our national security raised about the president of the United States from from within the intelligence community. They are always welcome to come on this show and explain their opposition they can actually call right now because the question is if if national security is not compelling enough to garner enough democratic votes for impeachment of the President if defying Congress and defying the law are not enough within within what is joining me now political contributor Timothy l O'Brien Tar Dell Dell President of the Teradata del Group. MSNBC contributor in former US attorney Barbara mcquade Jeff houser founder and director of the revolving door project MSNBC contributor and former US attorney Joyce Vance and Jill wine banks former assistant Watergate special the prosecutor."