"Was a movie eight premiering a New York on Friday. You and I were in Los Angeles. We did not see this movie. We're going to see this movie very soon but it is without a doubt the movie news of the weekend and and then we called the Irishman in the Irish premiered to what I would describe as one hundred percent approval rating Hosanna. 's from on high what'd you make of the the reaction to Martin Scorsese's latest cinematic achievement excited. I mean you have to take the festival grain of salt. There is something something to this movie premiering at the New York Film Festival like on a Friday. It's it's a self selecting crowd self selecting group of people bowl but it looks like a lot of fun the all the images of Pacino Deniro and it's crazy up on the stage have an end at the party's he's having the time of their lives indicated to me that this is they're having a great time and that I think infuses the movie itself that it is something like it worked. You know we it's three hours. We didn't see it for a long time. We you know it could be a rehash of some things maybe but it seems like they will pay off on this one. It's not only three hours three hours and twenty minutes right okay. I was trying to be kind. It's based on the two thousand four memoir called. I heard you paint houses by Charles Brand and it stars Al Pacino and Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci and it uses de aging technology. Ag To make these men seen younger and that has been a big talking point of the movie up until people saw the movie was clouded in a series of your butts. I think all leading to last Friday the Airbus include the technology they include does Robert Deniro still care about acting can not go over the top in a performance format. Does Mardi still have it can Joe Patchy still speak we haven't seen him speak publicly in many years and it seems like all all of these things were proven to be false alarms at best and I think a lot of people seem to think that this is the front runner for the best picture and There's something kind of amazing to me about that now. Obviously the we're taking a mountain of Salt Raider point given the festival atmosphere and being New York and everything but still this is a this is the disruption right and we have not seen yet and we're very much looking forward to seeing it but we have not seen it yet. You know I I will say when the Oscars aired. What Day was that in two thousand eighteen February twenty something February yes there was a commercial for the Irishman debuting in theaters and on that flex this fall and I think at that that moment you and I considered it to be the two thousand Nineteen Oscar Front runner for and these things do it is a little horse racing it goes back and forth and so the questions as you you just mentioned you know would it live up to that. Oscar Front runner status and I think the answer is yes. It's definitely yes. I wonder if it completely resets the expectation of the Oscars this year because I was assuming that it was absolutely going to be a player now what this means is there are almost certainly going to be due to net flicks movies nominated for best picture need even three net flicks movies so you've got the Irishman you've got marriage story and you've got the two popes which premiered telluride to to acclaim and that signals something significant changing and a lot of the column writing and the tweeting and the sort of not that not the day of reaction but the Saturday Sunday reaction action I think to the Irishman including the Columbine Owen Gleiberman that from variety who reflected on I think a lot of the anxiety that Roma produced last year about the idea of a streaming streaming service releasing what may be considered by many people to be the best movie of the year with that means for moviemaking what that means for the future of the Oscars but the Irishman is kind of a mega sized version of that question or problem or whatever you WANNA call it. You could make the case that it's nothing that that this is a completely overstated situation. I wrote about Roma in that context last year and I think the question here is more like this is a one hundred sixty million dollar movie. No studio other than Netflix is going to pay for this movie. It's the kind of movie that I think. Actually we could do pretty good business. If you put in a movie theaters got great reviews. That's got a lot of brand. Names is a gangster movie could it couldn't. I don't know if it's GONNA be a five hundred dollar five hundred million dollar movie but it could be a hundred million dollar movie and so with that the fact that we're never really going to know that because even though it's going into theaters is not going to the big theater chains. I think we do have three or four months. It's now of Netflixing Zaidi to to to detangle with. Yes for sure I mean I don't want to downplay the narrative of that in last year's Oscars and in every conversation that anyone has about the movie industry right now you know I think ultimately people in vote for Roma because it was a two and a half hour foreign film and they felt like values were being shoved down their throat and they just wanted to vote for it. The the familiar feel good like Virtue Signal Inc.. Except Not Green Book. I think those voters will not think twice about voting for the Irishman instead of something else. I don't think Netflix will come into the equation that way for them. I just I kind of think the position that the Irishman has in this in this Oscar Season Zain will be less about streaming platforms and more about a gen values and it's like I said it's like can you Oscar. Bait and a lot of ways is an interesting thing. I could sense that last year at some point. Alfonzo Koran just got sick of having to answer questions about Netflix that after a while and he was in a very similar situation. I don't think that there was necessarily a company that would have paid as much money for his film. Netflix did to distribute at even though they didn't originally only finance the movie and I wonder if Scorsese at some point now he's probably not going to do a ton of press because he's Martin Scorsese and doesn't have to but I wonder if at some point he's he's just kind of like enough. The movie is the movie yeah. Let's just think about it that way but for for our purposes we do kind of have to we have to tangle with it in three nominees unease from that studio would be it'd be a fascinating test of the academy because marriage stories definitely one of the best movies. I've seen this year and it fit checks a lot of boxes for for the kinds of movies that Oscar likes if not best picture at least every category nomination wise and the Irishman is right down the middle new Oscar Bait so and old Oscar Bait. I mean I think that's the I it's kind of the exception in so many ways because it is on Fox because Scorsese and De Niro and Pacino and PECI. It's it is all of the old things there. I mean there's just you know I was thinking about. How excited my dad's? GonNa be just to see the Irishman and they're just his dad incor- yeah but it is also a cinematic triumph apparently so anybody who actually cares about movies we'll all be interested and they are doing theaters and that's like ages kind of four quadrant for lack of a better word so it seems like elastic section as opposed to like the future of movies. If that makes any"