A highlight from The Keys to Building a Good College List

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Next we have Layla, arita takayama, the associate director of college counseling at the iolani school in Hawaii. Hi, everyone. All right, thank you for joining us both. Let's jump on in. I think the first question and just a start and talking about college lists is how early it should begin creating a college list and can one start too early. So, for me, when I'm talking with students, I know that they might have an idea of those particular institutions that they know they want to apply. The name brands or maybe they have a family affiliation, mom or dad went there. And so I get that, but I tried to tell my students, hey, let's be flexible because who you are as a freshman is going to be really different than who you become as a senior or a junior in the process. And so I want to acknowledge for students like yes, I'm listening to you. I hear your opinions, but let's give you some time to add in the other applications or other for other institutions. And so we traditionally try to build in that flexibility in that junior year just to have them do their research, check out schools, and then also use their summer to continue that research. I agree, I think what I would add to that is I typically ask students first, freshman and sophomore year, why do you want to go to college? Often, I don't think we ask that question enough and to get them to start thinking about that first before they start really building that list. And then as students enter and if sophomore year beginning of junior year is usually when we start with a really big list because I want them to dream big. Yeah, we won't even talk about college lists until this seconds master their junior year. First semester, let's get to know each other, 'cause I'm an 1112 dean and so we get them in 11th grade. There's no college talking. Why? Because who are you? Without having college on the table, who are you? What are you about? What do you like? What don't you like and why? And that why question is one great question for the emissions process. So talking about just the basic factors and deciding on a college list, available major size, location costs, all those good things. Are there any unusual or surprising factors that you might recommend? You know, for our students in Hawaii, they're going on a plane to another island or maybe on the mainland somewhere. And so for them, it's really about, okay, if I'm gonna be far away from home, how can I build that community? What does that look like? Who's part of that community? If I go to a college institution, can I get the support that I need? So we usually have a big chat about that just because that transition can be really challenging, but fun one. I think also culture is very important just because we have the native Hawaiian students and of course our history and the culture and respecting that as well. But then kind of understanding, what does it look like if I go somewhere else for college? Whether that be in the United States or internationally, I think when students really start thinking about questions they should ask themselves when it comes to what they are looking for in an institution. I talk with my students about something called the 7 P's. And it's really a series of reflections that I learned about when I was working at Loyola academy in the Midwest. And it is thinking about what they want personally, like who they are as a person, what you talked about as far as what are the things that they need at an institution to be happy and successful. Secondly, the program that they're thinking about thinking about major thinking about what is their area of interest place, location, people, the people that they want to surround themselves with, price, cost, what their parents think, not necessarily something that every student wants to admit, but parents do have influence, and then the philosophy of the institution. So those are all things that I encourage students to do deep thinking on. How often do they actually do this deep thinking? They do. It's kind of like that why question, right? At the beginning, why do you want to go to college? It's kind of the other hand. It's what are those things that are important to you? Not important to what everybody else says that you should be considering in the college process. But really doing that deep internal work. I think can really help students find that right fit. Can you just run through those 7 P is again without all the in between just hear that letter or the name? Person, program, place, people, price,

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