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About talking sports and talking tennis while a global pandemic rages but one of the great appeals of sport is that it is divergent and distraction. We're also told to keep our routine so it is in that spirit that we will Have A conversation. I've got Jamie here and we'll talk some tennis but obviously We do realize there are larger issues confronting us all than Whether the French Open should have grabbed those dates on the calendar. But let's talk some tennis for For half an hour or so. And maybe it will get your mind off of some of these Some of these challenges that we're all dealing with Jamie I'll bring you in and I will ask you know this used to be polite throwaway now. I will ask in all sincerity How you're doing. I'm doing good staying home. I've only gone out for groceries. I'm hanging in. I think we're all just sort of waiting it out. I think this is the first podcast. We'll have a that. We truly don't have tennis You know besides the we've got a long stretch of the calendar here that is completely open So it's it's definitely. These are strange times yen fat. Sadly the tide doesn't seem to be going out. I mean I see I see this calendar. It started his Indian Wells got cancelled and a few days after that it was six weeks and then it was the clay season and it looks dangerously. Close like We will be in midsummer as we speak. I should time stamp this just because this is also fast moving you and I are talking. What is it the days are all blending together here? It is Thursday or does it. Thursday morning Thursday morning East Coast as of now. Wimbledon is technically still on the calendar. But but I'm not hearing a lot of optimism from my sourcing both within tennis specifically in the UK. So I mean as you said. We've we've got a lot going on in the world but the one thing we can talk about is tennyson when it will come back. I guess but the biggest bigger question is how it will come back at this point. There are so many tournaments up in the air and such a big snowball effect on you know with the kind of anchors of the calendar here with the Olympics thrown in. I know that you talked on our special corona virus podcast about the impact impact of the Olympics being postponed. But do you WanNa talk a little bit about that here in how. It's really going to affect a lot of things given that it's supposed to take place before the summer of twenty twenty one which I thought was an interesting note in the official release from the I'll see what. What do you think about how the Olympics will impact tennis This year and next year. Yeah I mean I think we need to take a step back and say all of this presupposes and when we're all knocking on wood or whatever the equivalent is but all of this presupposes that we are in a better position now than we are today and we'll keep using this word unprecedented but what unprinted. I think it's completely accurate. But unprecedented also means is that we don't know how the story ends and we don't even know what the next chapter is going to be. So I think we all Have various opinions for example about the French Open unilaterally grabbing those dates in late September early October that is all based on an assumption that we will be back to gathering in large places and back to having sporting events with an international sport from all over the world? I think that's a pretty big assumption. It's a hopeful assumption and We can all sort of put that aside for the moment but I do think before we go too far down the road. We ought to acknowledge. Nobody knows if heaven forbid a year from now we are going to be in a position to start holding large global events As far as the Olympics goes I think it was it was a foregone conclusion I mean really. This was sort of fade accomplish weeks ago. It's I think both a pity and also quite telling that it took until Tuesday of this week before the official word came out that the Olympics. For Two thousand twenty. We're going to be postponed. We can talk a perhaps at another time conversation for another day about about why that was but I do think that first of all until there is a fixed date for twenty twenty one. We know nothing. I think that the Olympics is obviously a big draw for a lot of the players. And I think there's some players that are probably prolonging their careers for the Olympic experience in you know Roger Federer's and name that comes to mind. I think that in many ways he loves. We always say this. He loves being Roger Federer. His body is still holding up. He loves the life and the travel and he loves that he has a chance to add to his twenty majors. But I also think the Olympics of two thousand twenty was a huge motivation. I think he really designed his season two peak after the French. Been and then after the. Us Open's really about an eight eight to ten week window which includes Wimbledon the Olympics and the US Open. Who knows what that's going to mean for him going forward. I also think that as we talk about scheduling. No tennis event is going to want to be opposed to the Olympics. I mean part of this is about drawing players A part of this also is about viewership and television rights in meteorites and if this happens to overlap with say the French Open Twenty twenty one. I don't think they're going to want to have a large scale major tennis tournament that conflicts with the Olympic Games as much for the viewers as anything else. So will the French Open for the second straight year not be held during the conventional dates? There is a lot up in the air right now and I guess you know in in some ways. Sports are a mirror for all of us right. I mean all of us are sort of game theory are scheduling and our plans in our lives. And we're figuring out whether it's you know kids taking standardized tests which is an issue resonant in this household right now you people worried about jobs and freelancing assignment and shooting. I mean everybody in every call I've been on. People are trying to assume as much control as they can in a situation where control is not a particularly Plentiful quantity plentiful commodity. So you know in sports are sort of doing what the rest of us are doing which is a lot of best guesses and a lot of trying to cover their bases. I mean one. More point than I'll gladly hand the MIC over is. Let's not forget the role of insurance in all of these situations in sports and it's not a particularly sexy topic but a lot of these events have been covered by insurance policies. And if you're Wimbledon. There's a huge difference between Boris Johnson. Saying disadvant- cannot be held. This is a government edict. We are not allowing large-scale global sporting events that is a much different situation at least two people that hold policies to Wimbledon reaching this conclusion on their own saying we are deciding not to hold that event so those are two very different scenario. Say the same results so in a lot in you know in the grand scheme of things you're going to end up at the same place but if you are talking about recouping seventy percent or whatever it is of your revenues insurance policy huge difference between you cannot hold this event and we are choosing not to hold this event so it's just something to bear in mind that I think the same thing I heard went for the W. T. A. which was a little bit A Little Bit Strange. How the tours word coordinated. But I do think we ought to keep in mind. That there are some Some language in these insurance contracts which might be dictating behavior and how some of these decisions are being reached in the timing so anyway Feel free to cut me off and take time because I've I've just monologue but thoughts about scheduling. No Yeah. I think one of the things you talked about in your mail bag which I think is so interesting and so many people on twitter have been talking about is Labor Cup and you know September now all of a sudden you know labor couplet into that SPA and really just had two successful years in the now The French Open put its foot down barged in the door without telling anyone and just claimed it's spot on the calendar and for me that was shocking that you could literally see it happening in real time where players You know people within the sport were were finding out basically on twitter that this had happened. you know. One had contacted the tours. No one had reached out to players beforehand. I ever was finding out in real time and that was crazy to me and I. I can't believe that they just went ahead to pick this fall spot now. I know that they were probably expecting the Olympics to be cancelled but now that they are there's is nice too weak a spot on the calendar open so I wonder what they're thinking You know the the French federation given everything that's happened since they jumped ahead without announcement. If you thought a global pandemic would stop tennis infighting and turf wars or were you wrong. I will share with you. The one A little bit of of Intel. I have which is the French. Open is much more willing than women to have what we're calling a closed door event so having event for a TV audience with no fans. I'm told that Wimbledon does not have a lot of interest in that That's more appealing to the French Open. I'm also told that this this date that we're now seeing freed up on the calendar I I don't think is of great appeal for Wimbledon to move Who knows again? I mean WHO KNOWS BEST CASE SCENARIO? I think the tennis was scheduled for July twenty ninth. Is that right After the last few days of July extending into the first week of August. I'm not sure that Wimbledon has any interest in that. I am very sceptical. Unfortunately about whether there will be a Wimbledon twenty twenty part of that is just a function of what we are hearing about the situation in the UK me. Boris Johnson was talking about Twelve weeks before we know anything will twelve weeks puts US right into to Wimbledon time But I do think the prospect of holding these events here. We're GONNA see it with Wrestlemainia we're gonNA see what the NFL draft we saw already with UFC the NBA may move to this scenario. This idea of holding events for a TV audience with no one in the stands. I I've heard that that is not of particular interest at the At the All England Club. So who knows I mean I suggested that maybe Indian wells wants as long as dates are now a free for all Navy in wells wants to think about those Olympic dates People quickly reminded me that The coachella valley is not the place. You WanNa be in late July and early August but then again I feel like all norms in this. Obviously not just tell us not just sports this is this is sort of civilization wide. All norms are off and we are in a strange world right now. Yeah I think I don't know what's player it was. I saw someone say you know. People were getting upset about The French Open claiming the spot or just generally You know about the whole situation in. I think someone tweeted that. Let's just be grateful that we could have the possibility of playing then. So I think that that's a good setback from the situation to say and You know one of the things that was always important and and is always critical for these players ahead of you know the summer swing where you're going from grass clay and then you've got you've got the summer at the US Open. Is those those tune-ups those lead up tournaments? And I think one of the most interesting things is going to be that I back for all of us across the board. I mean I'm thinking about us our first day back at the office. My first Commute back on the subways and the trains You know what is it going to be like for the first tournament back? What tournament is that going to be you know is going to be a big major is going is going to be some smaller tournament on the ATP W tour that players Wouldn't normally play in that all of a sudden has these big names because it's the only one that they can really get out and play after this hiatus. So that's something. I've been thinking about that. I think is going to be interesting to see yet. I think something that you know become clear throughout this whole crisis is that I mean. This is first and foremost a public health crisis. But also this is at some level of class crisis and we are seeing already in New York. Certainly Um bill disproportionate impact falling to the underprivileged. I think the same thing is is mirrored in sports and that I remember I think Lindy Downpour saying this you know there. We forget this antennas. Some players have their own gyms at home and have access to the training and tennis courts in the backyard and other players don't Hugging last week pospisil. Who is in his apartment in Vancouver? Doing push ups and sit ups and he will ball court for free. Yeah exactly I mean. That's a much different scenario when you have your own academy and you can even if it's just going out there with a ball machine.