Murphy Murri on Cannabis Extraction, Hydrocarbon Safety, Aquatek, Standardized Extracts


Hey everybody this is Jason Wilson with the curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again so today. I'm joined with Murphy. Murray a fellow cannabis educator and also a cannabis extraction consultant. And today. We're going to be talking about Oh let's see what we get into primarily cannabis extraction. Thanks much murphy for being willing to come on the podcast. Yeah absolutely thank you for having me. Yeah Really Soak. Our paths hadn't crossed Before now So this is kind of been long awaited for me as far as I followed some of your work and senior classes like from a distance. So it's cool to finally connect and and Talk about common interests for those. That aren't familiar with some of your work and your background is kind of diverse Do you mind kind of sharing just a little bit about some of that background. What led you into getting into specifically like the cannabis chemistry and extraction. And all the work that you're kind of focusing on now yes sure. I started in the canvas industry When it was fledgling in Colorado so we had the caregiver structure in two thousand nine and we started seeing retail dispensaries. Open up but there wasn't licensing for it and It still kind of mimicked. What California has going on in at the time in a lot of ways and so You know I got involved on the retail end. I lived in the Vail Valley and we wanted to sell high end cannabis products do those high end medical patients and in two thousand ten licensing started and in Colorado that meant vertical integration so being from a marketing background and working on the retail side of things. I had no preparation for an extraction lab and certainly no preparation for large-scale consult a cultivation and so It was all just something that was kind of thrown us and we had to get involved. I did my best delegate where I could but the lab was one of the hardest ones to To delegate out because they're you know a lot of people had grown for decades but there wasn't much for extraction historically You know like a lot of people were doing bubble ash but that is not even in the same department especially at the time. We were We were just starting to see things like amber glass which was shattered made for methanol. We're starting to see the butane honey oil and we were still really just calling it honey oil at the time and not even really referencing how it was being made because everything was still a big secret for a really long time which is part of the reason why education so important to me because the first three to four years of. I can't miss career especially in the extraction world. There was no where to get good information. There was a couple of hard to navigate forums with a lot of code words and screen and it was really difficult to use that information in a practical way and not having that. Chemistry background was certainly a disadvantage. But at that time we were doing chemistry. We were barely extracting material. We were cannabinoid behind. We are not purifying anything and we have no analytical testing to support it so you know the concentrates that we made we had no potency data on. We had pesticide data. We had no heavy metal testing. We you know I couldn't tell you. How many milligrams of THC or anything else? It was all anecdotal. It was all descriptive and you know I look back that and just get anxious about all of the products that I made and sold that I wouldn't do today because we just didn't have the tools so fast forward a few more years and the Internet makes things a lot easier. You know. Ten years is a long time in terms of Internet development and so more information became accessible which is good and bad. A lot of bad information became accessible. But what is more relevant is that we have the social media aspect of it and so now I could actually network with real humans. Ange as more states became legalized. People were less afraid to actually share what they were doing and Like real consultant jobs started becoming a thing and so we started to talk a lot more and develop methods. And that's where I kind of got into the extraction space You know in a very much more serious way. Because we started to actually have real standards to pursue and I started to meet the type of people who were doing things that I wanted to emulate and from there I got involved on the equipment and things in two thousand fourteen. I started working for extraction tech solutions. Which was one of the only hydrocarbon equipment manufacturers at the time and I started doing private consulting from there. I just became fully immersed in in the world of extractions so from You know just straight up cannabis extraction to also the burgeoning hemp industry. And we've just kind of gone all the way from black oil to white powder right. Yeah the last few years yeah. That's it'd be fascinating to kind of see that laid out on an image timeline. Memories can be scary sometimes. What is it that Particularly about extraction? Now that's really driving your passion to kind of continue that focus in that arm of things I think one of my favorite things about extraction has always been that You know it's it's very objective you know. Once we started bringing out a little testing into it and started actually doing chemistry labs. It was really rewarding because I could perform a process could get results than I could repeat those results Compare that to like cultivation. Where the you know every step you take today. You say the results of that weeks months ahead of Point so there's no instant gratification and cultivation whereas extraction is instant gratification every thirty minutes I get to see the results of what I've achieved and so It feels very productive and it also gives me a lot of room for error which is very exciting for me because I love the experimentation of it with cultivation even just having a table that you try out new nutrients on can affect literally the rest of the garden whereas with extraction. I can have a new idea. I can try new piece of equipment. I can tweak a process I can make these changes. You know minute to minute. Day to day and get to evaluate the efficiency and so the potential for growth is phenomenal Because it's exponential every day. Try something new and you know. Every new test result gives me ten more questions to go chase down the rabbit hole so it is constant change in very fast moving which I find personally rewarding. I'm the type of person that rearranges my furniture. Often extraction is nothing but change. Yeah Yeah I could see that. That'd be really exciting. To be caught up in that accelerated process of refinement. Refinement technologies and process and everything. You really get to see it unfold. In a way that that's unique when you were learning about extraction. What were some of the resources that you found most valuable to kind of understand what you needed to do to take things to that that next level I know skunk farm is obviously one resource that we all probably know pretty well. That's a huge one Or some others that you those online forums were enormous but through those online forums. I actually got to meet really competent people. I think both ten years ago and even today the mentorship for finding someone smarter and better than you is the most valuable lake. I look back on my career to some specific individuals who brought me in and were willing to share. What at the time was like trade secrets? You know The things that we didn't discuss Out Loud in part because it was a legal but also in part to keep our brands. Unique and those people were enormous for me I had a couple of chemists who were involved early on that were really helpful in explaining some of like the basic safety issues that I would never have even thought to ask questions about probably without their help Not to mention just some. You Know Industry Pioneers people like Nick Tana of essential extracts. Who you know was willing to teach me how to make bubble Harrison is kitchen and get involved in this industry when it was still barely an industry. We were barely for profit at the

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