An Open Source Economy of Abundance with Marcin Jakubowski

Buddhist Geeks


Hello everybody Vince Horn here for another episode of Buddhist Geeks and today I am very very delighted to be having a conversation with Martian Jukovski. Good to have you on the show Martin and thank you so much for taking the time to chat with the Buddhist geeks. I'm really excited about this conversation. Because so much of what you're doing. Feel a resonance with but it's also different from what we're doing here Buddhist excited Dick's where the intersections excellent. So let's dive right in. Okay I've got my bathing suit on and I'm ready to go seven Fahrenheit and sweet Maysville Missouri. But I'll join metaphorically awesome are you. Are you at the factory farm right now yes. That's the Kansas City area. Okay cool and I and I understand that. You have also google fiber out there. Oh and that's an addition since about a year now and that's why we can have this conversation hopefully seamlessly today. Yeah no mood. That's a big game changer fiber. We spent the money on a week. We got the pipes run here. Trenched bury them and the whole facility with Up to four GIG. Wow that's awesome. See if you're kind of you're living the dream for me. Which is you've got high-speed gig multi gigabit Internet and you're out on a farm building Chit Really Cool. I'm excited to talk about your work so so I saw. I saw your tedtalk a number of years ago. Odds probably about ten years or so ago now Something like that and and just immediately was like okay this person and your partner Katharina. Y'All are doing really interesting work with the open source ecology movement and In that talk you spoke about the global construction kit which you know. Last time I checked this is like a fifty fifty or so different items that you're looking to build open source that the kind of you would be necessary for human civilization to To to this global village construction set fifty industrial machines to create small-scale civilization with modern comforts essentially the critical machines from tractors bread ovens production equipment energy equipment and and Carson everything. You need to create infrastructure. That's the basis of thriving than so we can talk about then getting meditative but you have to provide some basic needs. I yeah you can't you can't just Meditate without without some basic needs Yogis the the people they had their comfortable caves and flame. That's right that's right. Yeah and some nettles to eat right and and and you're going to see the vision that you'll have is is going well beyond that. I mean you're talking about being able to replicate modern comforts without having to rely so much on the sort of centralized modern systems that we've all come kind of dependent on. Yeah exactly the idea is. Let's distribute the economy. So right now we're in a state of centralization but the fund that by fundamental design we have a distributed world and I think that comes from the first principle of energy energy is distributed. Solar Energy is distributed. That's pretty much where all the power for today's economy comes from. It's from the sun right so by nature. We have a distributed system but the way we created we kind of reformulated as humans isn't into a hugely centralized one so to get back to more in touch with those principles of distribution decentralisation that gives power to everybody literally and metaphorically to tell me more about like the journey that you've been on with the global village construction set because I saw you've you've made a tremendous amount of progress on that front. You know it's one thing to hear someone give a Ted talk about about something that's like an inspiring idea prototypes. It's another to see your ten years later. Like have made real progress on the stuff again to hear about that. Yeah definitely maybe you know you can say at the time of Ted Talk. Were a few percent down right now. I would quantify it as like one third done so we've got hundreds of prototypes Twenty or thirty unique prototypes everything from tractors to CNC machines. Three D. PRINTERS HOUSES. Akwa punit greenhouses. In fact we actually added the house as a critical machine since we kinda thought well. That's a living machine. Actually belongs in the global village construction set but the power is yet getting a comprehensive said along a construction setup route. So we're looking at it more as building blocks and to derive from how Lennox Open source. Software has there is one of the keys to success was large modular break down into very small parts can have thousands of people working on at the same time. And that's exactly what we do with hardware breaking down into modules and development steps for each module sewer inching along at the time of the Ted. Talk I kind of felt like I missed my great opportunity because I had so many people contact me. And all of that and we didn't have an organization. We hardly have an organization right now. We really don't yet. Were not at that level of having a business so to say like a real solid organism. But we do have a lot of foundational work. I think we are. I would call ourselves an exponential organizations laying a solid foundation with all the prototyping that we have done now ready to to convert that to economic impact so transitioning from the Playing prototyping to to the to the next step which a lot of open source Projects Forget and that is a product. So what what are the products that we can offer that anymore? Anyone can use okay. That's cool. I mean it's interesting. I'm thinking back to win. I got even more kind of interested in Y'all's work and I think at a certain point I started to really feel this kind of poll to be sort of subtract myself out ourselves out of the sort of capitalist system a bit more to be able to offer meditation teaching more freely. You know to be little less dependent on a pay for service model and you know one of the big questions that comes up is like okay. We'll around like housing costs. And how do you? How do you reduce your cost like housing is like one of the major costs and you all were some of the only people that were talking about being able to build an an ecologically sustainable you know house for like twenty five grand? Yeah and that's unheard of you not to be able to hit those kind of Knows numbers and that's what I think is really interesting about what what you're trying to do is you're really setting a goal of kind of price reduction that really competes with the capitalist markets on their own terms in a way. That's hard for them to be. It'd be hard if you're actually able to pull this off for companies to To to have any response to tenth the Price House or tractor or brick press or all the things that you're building. Yeah that's exactly right so let's dive into. There's actually a very interesting page like when I look at the WIKKI statistics. There's a page on our wicky open source ecology that org slash wicky which has cost of living. And you said it. The number one cost of living is housing on average. I have some stats here in. Its sixty eight hundred dollars a year. Then the second one is your car. Thirty four hundred dollars a year and then food twenty six hundred dollars a year and yet it adds up to about twenty thousand or so. Just let's see the the number actually is twenty thousand per year per person according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics for a household doesn't sound too bad but Ideas let's so let's go for example to the CDC home just to show you like a very tangible example so in a CD go home. You mentioned twenty five thousand dollars okay. But where's the Labor that's materials so the model there is a client? Pays probably like ten thousand dollars service fee. We host a workshop where we swarm on the build with about fifty or so people and build that in five days and I think that the more like a turnkey cost to the client. We more like seventy thousand. That's kind of what if we if you'd actually start full cost accounting like the twenty five thousand dollars as materials. Yes so you'd have to figure out how to do it but we did with a swarm based build the idea there is you are providing an immersion education. So basically you're selling inexperienced. People participate in get a lot of skills have a lot of fun shatter some of the limits in their mind about what's possible in terms of effective building using very collaborative learning rich learning environment. That's very supportive. So that's the product we're trying to develop and probably if you look at economics probably like seventy thousand dollars for a a house builder a basically the House. The person who wants to have the house before fourteen hundred square foot house so still about was Chris in the cost of industry standards. Right we actually roll this out. So there's a whole organization to behind it and sell. That's kind of how it looks right now. Now of course if you're a skilled guy and you've got a family that can build that while you're not gonna be able to do it in five days but over a month he can take our modular construction methods because everything in the system is designed to be handled by people not not example cranes or large machines the way we designed modular construction method lends itself to a swarm belt with normal people and really reducing the skill set by essentially trying to turn this into. Lagos as much as possible That's interesting and and from what I gathered like everything that you're doing the documentation around the processes like everything is part of the open source model like everything is shared shared. Absolutely everything. There's two levels so one is design seconds. Dente price design. And that's that this is where we talk about the concept of distributive enterprise. Yes the idea if we do it. And it's good for the world. Everyone can use it and and people in modern society. People think that you have to be proprietary or you have to have a competitive advantage based on Ip Order to win here are competitive. Advantage or collaborative advantage is the the opposite. Is the fact that we're collaborating? And if you think about it you're in kindergarten you'd understand because at that point we kinda were talked to to Cher but from High School Into College. Johnny were completely taught the opposite and right now. There's a huge cultural barrier that prevents people from comprehending that. Hey we can actually do. More together. Annihilate the AB- the material scarcity issues that are still central to life in the west end in the developing

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