We generally Taco whole lie. The biggest problem I was having is at sleeping. I couldn't sleep after this encounter, and I would lay in bed and you would I will close my eyes dinner at which is cheer their growl. And I would sue I would see this saying in a it seemed like the encounter camp, replying a replaying. Every time we got quite at night and I tried to go to sleep science Really slept and probably. It took me a couple months actually get decent sleep. I mean, I'd sleep every now and then, but I would trying to avoid sleeping in what and I talked about it probably a week later and I, you know, I told them I can't sleep at night having trouble sleeping. And he said the I am too. And that's what we really set down, start talking about it and what he was really the only one I could talk to you about it. You know what I mean? Because I didn't. Who do you taught you when you've happening? There was no. I know you see all these big flip podcasts and now everyone wants to talk to eye-witnesses. But back then, it wasn't like that. No one really wanted to talk to eye-witnesses on any of these shows. And so they're really wasn't anywhere to go to talk about it. And I just. So we would sit down and talk about it all the time. And one time Ed called in to Chuck Pearl's show Chuck's passed away now. Big Foot Tonight show, but you know him and I were I went on that show And I told the encounter and I feel like is huge. Just wait, had been lifted. Chunk was very kind to me, very nice, very respectful. And I just felt like this she way had been lifted ANZ. That's kind of how we we ended up going back up to the mountain. There's a lot of other things that happened between that time, but. That's really were I thought, You know what, how could it be? Should store my own podcast and just talked eye-witnesses because if fill so good for me to get it off, my chest actually talked to someone and not have them go k will worry, guys drinking then I, you know, or wrote stir cracking jokes. Um, And that's kind of how the the podcast started getting formed at that point, I was like, you know, let's just talked to people about their encounters Little did I know there wasn't it quite as simple as I thought it was gonna be. Uh, sorry Menem rambling? No, it's actually find because I was actually literally gonna ask you that next question which was going to be, you know, I had this show start over Jakarta's filled in. Therefore as I mean with the show itself. Uh, you know, how do you think this show SAS quash chronicles has affected The big for community of people over last Ono was a five, six years. Seven years. How is that affected the Big Foot world? Yeah, I mean they, before you start the show There was nobody doing shows with Big Foot encounter stories. And since then it seems like it's a to thing for a lot of people. Do you think that you and then the show itself has helped propel the big for community in a certain direction is far as awareness? I am. That would be pretty her again, I think for me to assume. Um, I I I don't know if my show was the cause of all these other shows popping up. I mean, guy, last time I look there was like tindifferent Big Foot shows and they all do encounter stories, and they have eye witness's Come on. And you know, I guess it would be nice if if if I felt that way like, Hey, I was a part of that. I I will say that I was. But it's in the shift changed a lot. Because back back then everyone on and talk to authors. They wanted to talk to eye-witnesses or Now I witnesses. They wanted to talk to authors. They wanted to talk to researchers, They wanted to talk to experts. And. Why should I wanted my the show to be different? I wanted to talk to eye-witnesses because I never really thought there was a ton of information coming from authors, researchers and experts. Um, it seemed like people who just had encounters in now give himself titles, but I wasn't such a heart assets back then. Like I am now with these people on the eye. It would be nice, Is it to think that it I changed some how I I will say that I will. I did. But um. It is nice to see these other shows pop up where they're focuses eye-witnesses because that's really were you get the bulk of your your knowledge is from eye-witnesses and behaviors. I've learned so much from talking to other eye-witnesses and at become more open. I wanna first started the podcast. I wouldn't hear of any one saying it looked human or I windy hear of any one saying it had glowing red eyes or And when you hear of any one, Anything weird I I wouldn't hear it. No, I knew it all at that point. My life. I knew it all knows very arrogant about it. You know, flew players and everything else. And. Then my mind state, my my my in mind, can't even talk. My mindset started changing to wear. Let's listen to everyone because if you truly this to solve this mystery, and if you truly in this war on Iraq condition of SAS watch Then you have to hear everyone out. Doesn't mean you believe everyone, but you have to be EFD here ever worn out. And if you don't, you're being very disingenuous in your pursuit of trying to find answers. Um, and so I started changing my mind set on the show and, uh. Um, you know, a lot of things I wasn't prepared for with the before world, I wasn't prepared to deal with a bunch of crazy people. Uh, I wasn't prepared to deal with egos. I wasn't prepared to deal with an arrogance of a lot of these researchers and. I give researchers a hard time, But there's an ego and arrogance about them and they, you know, I feel like a speak kind of four. The guy that handing counter Ainhoa the the, the guy that's not well known in the big for role they speak. And so a lot of these guys I like to pre-empt put him the task. You know, if you come to me with an arrogant attitude and he got an ego vouch EU blaming, we're going to go to task when we talk, I'm gonna put you to task and you're going to answer questions if you're if he knows so much in your such an expert, We'll find out. Uh, and most of them I've never had any one. The Celica Dick but I've never had a I've never had and I'm not like that what they're gonna try and be very respectful to everyone. But if you come to me within ego and arrogance, I that's one thing I can't stand it just can't It drives me nuts, especially in this field because the public things for chasing unicorns anyway. And you have an arrogance nego about you. Um, so. The I a I'm not really in the big for ruled, So I guess I can't speak for the big for rolled mud kind of the outsider and I I kinda do my own thing, and I do what works for me so they can go and do whatever they want to do. You know, if for sure, I mean it got us speaks a lot though. I mean you're you said about how you've changed your mind set throughout the years of doing the show And I kind of respect that allowed because I mean, just this year of past year of me doing the show. You know, there's a lot of thoughts and opinions that have evolved over the last year. So I'm sure if I listen to my first ten episodes have probably going to say something in there that I don't necessarily fuel like I believe today or I might have a little bit of a different opinion on today. But that's just speaks to somebody who is willing to accept Different thoughts and opinions and grow mentally along the way with time. Uh, I know for me personally. Uh, my entrance into the big for Community online like I was always interested in the topic, and I would look into it here and there. But the actual big for community and the online community, Especially my entrance into that was through SAS watch chronicles. I remember what happened. I was six. My house. I was getting ready for work as gay ready to leave for work. And I was watching monster question. They had a big foot show on and I was like, I don't want to leave right now. This is awesome. I wanna watch it, But I had to get going and just hit me. I was like, I wonder if there's any kind of Big Foot radio show that I could listen to online at even know what a podcast was. And I just google did it. And I came across your, your show that morning before I walked out of my apartment and a hit play. I listen like five minutes as I dang. And for like the next I dunno month and a half, two months. I was hooked. I got binge through all your shows to catch up and ever since then obviously, evident faithful with listener and know hearing that I would ask you like I know you personally, and I know who you are as a person, And I know. They you care about people, and if you you know one day if you're West, Gerber hangs it up and he does will sales off into the sunset. If that would happen, What would you want as a lasting memory for people? Like what? What would you know? How do we says? What kind of impact would you like to be? Oh, say you had on people's lives in a positive way. When this, you know, referring to the the show and what you do for people. As far as I'm coming on the show to share their experiences in things like that. Do you know what it means? That makes sense. Yeah, and that's kinda hard question-answer M one day I will hang it up and I don't know that I necessarily want to be known as the Big Foot guy. Uh, I hope what I leave the big for world and eventually I will, Um, I hope people will remember I as the against the biggest thing is I hope. I would hope people say he was a pretty nice guy. I think it would be good enough for me. You know, people, the daily for people, does it say, Hey, no, He was a pretty good guy. He was an okay interviewer. Uh, and he always treating people with respect now. Now, you know, I I would hope that I I left the aim though I said, I'm not a part of the big for ruled. I would hope that I left it better than were I found it and you know they're always be Big, Foot shows are always be guys. It come along better than me. I'm sure this guys out there now that are better than me. Um, but I would hope that they say, Hey, know why he was a nice guy. And that's what I want my legacy to be just he was a good guy. I again, he was an okay interviewer y-, you know, you always treat people respect in, in the big phone roles. Those are things that are lacking, uh, non allotted ice skies. And when I say the big for old, I mean like a lot of the researchers and experts and, uh, alone at not all of them, I fly compassion everyone. But. The There's a lot of humble-pie that a lot of people could could use in their lawyer, and, you know, you digest his tree people the way you want to be treated, you know, talked on the way you'd want to be talked to. And, uh, there's a lot of that lacking right now. And I think part of its social media and a lot of other things. But, um, I don't know, answer your question. I feel like my few my fever just answered your question No, Absolutely. Absolutely. I just wanted to, you know, here that became a here what your thoughts were on that, because I know it out on the kind of person that, uh, even at my day job where I drive truck by myself all day went around the guys at work. I just had this attitude where I I would like to think that I'm impacting people's lives in a positive way. Uh, it's funny because my mom made this big scrapbook for Christmas of us kids pictures and stuff like that as we are little. And she gave me this note that I guess apparently I wrote to Bill Clinton when I was in elementary school, And it was at full air is spelling errors and things like that. But the whole thing. Was littered with me trying to ask the president to just help people and make sure people are okay And just like I just wanted to see people, you know, Okay. And I wanted to help people as much as I can. I think even asked them like if there's anything, any kind of help you need, I will help you all that stuff in. So I mean you from a little age, I was always the kind of person I just wanted to impact people's lives. And I've noticed with my show I get emails such as that like people saying that, you know my show with whatever interview I did really helped them further. There are thought process on certain things, and they thank me and insists like to hear that It means so much to me personally. I know for you, It means the same way. Yeah. Yeah, it is cut an I get I get a lot of very kind emails from a lotta people And um. People are as say, you know, stuck in hospital, bad that you know, just wait till every show comes out every week. That said that bid, their biggest Saint going on. They can't wait till the next show comes out. And that means a lot to me. You know, I sometimes I think a tend to forget there's so many people listening to the show because I know I don't see things right there the right way sometimes. Or sometimes I'll give my opinion. And then I'm always shocked the next morning win. I got like a hundred e-mails of people. Tell me they disagree with me on Lescot bag and I'm this and on that I'm like, I don't remember saying that during the show and I go back and listen. I'm like, Oh yeah, I did say that during the show. Um, and so yeah. Hey, it's nice. It is nice. You know, the fans. I guess she asked about the the biggest saying, I, the biggest accomplishment I can say is, uh, my fans at listen to the show. The one thing that I love is they've become very, uh, intel very smart on the subject because they've listen to. So many encounters have listened to behavior. They've listened to descriptions. They listen to, um, you know, there are a very well Well educated audience and you know, I'm happy that I was a part of it because he, they know their stuff. Man, You're not gonna come on a be awesome rain other stuff. And a lot of times when I have like a researcher. Sean Miller. An author on. The You're going up against a very intelligent audience And you better, no your stuff when he come on whip is far as those guys go because the audience will eat them alive. And so he and I I don't mean not a bad way hope that came across our away, but there's just a very well educated audience. And I think that's may be a nice legacy to walk away with with people. Listen to the show, Go Hainaut I know so much more because I listen to the show. But again, it's not really about me. It's about people's encounter. So, um, it's kind of a a it's a little community. You know what I mean? Yes, I absolutely I agree with you 100 percent. Uh, So today You're going up there to the mountain and to look for that guy that went missing or lease help to. And uh, you told me that that's in the area generally where you had your encounter. Yeah, It's about a half a mile, maybe a quarter of a mile from where we actually had her encounter in Woods. Interesting. So in that sense, it falls camp chrome. Um, I'll I'll send you the video again, I, I don't know if I've ever Senate you Johnny, we recorded evolve light. We are up on the the Maine Road opposite of the campground on the backside, and we come across the Bold light. That was only about five hundred feet from that camp chrome. And we film that thing. But were they guy disappeared? Is is right there? That Lewis River, It's a very fast-moving river, but it's a very shallow river. Um, it's not a river I don't think you could drowning at even if he was drunk. I don't know that he would necessarily drowned in that river. Um, and it's interesting is clothes were found along the river but not in the river? They ended story for the audience listening, Forgive me he, um, this guy He was in it. They were in the sunset false campground. They were out 4-wheel in they came back because he wanted to go and lay down. He wanted to go back to camps, So they dropped him off and then they go backup 4-wheel in or when they came back, He was just gone. He just vanish. And there's an when a show you, the video of that area. You don't just vanished in that area. There's a main road You can stay on. And I'm telling you that river. If he had drowned in that river, he would have washed up about two hundred feet away where it's not very deep. You'd have washed up on the rocks. Uh, I think the deepest point of that river is probably twenty feet Max and that's one of the deepest areas. Uh, so yeah, I'm gonna go. I've been look at I went up last week and I look forum. Um, and it said, man, it's a very, very sad story. Bourgeois Archie Hurry disappeared in that area. There's something with that BAT region that whole yacht Cold Mountain. There's there's a lot of strange things that go on up there. And so yeah, I'm hadn't back-up Leonard today to look for what's really cool men that you're going to help him with without effort. Uh, it, it sounds very four. One one to me, You know it David politely sense. I just It has a lot of the similarities and stuff. And, you know, I know David never comes out and says that things that he's ascribing is Big Foot, but you know, most of us feel what he describes as big for it Yeah. Know, knowing that you had your encounter in that very area, it does lead to a lot of suspicion, and it's not like you can go up there, look form with people and say, You know, I really think that there could be something else going on here. I had a big foot counter up here. We should really think about that because people are going to look at you like know Like, especially in that kind of bonus that are going probably thinks your opponent legs. So the fact You're going up there in helping and everything like that. I think that's really cool. Was I really appreciate coming on the show today in sharing your story and just chat with me a little bit of Where can people find your your show at. I you can go choose SAS, quash radicals dot com, and check out my website I am on I tunes and Stitcher SAS watch chronicles, but Tony, I appreciate you have me on Mannan a confessional Zor is an awesome show. You do a great job with it. And thank you again for having me. Absolutely moon and thank you for all. Encouraging you gave me over the last year and I thought is only fitting to have you on today and uh, we'll talk soon because later on tonight We're doing a live show on Block talk radio. Sounds giver.