off. Um, those makes you think, Oh no, No, Here, here's, here's lawn us in the covered Anyway Alanah. Not here. Here's an honest cigar question. Um. Back in the days of PCs and coming up as the way I did. Probably Rene did probably pretty, uh, we used to be able to mess with our personal computers. Uh, in fact, you were obliged to, in a lot of ways, uh, yet to mess with your. You know, you extensions gives you Mac, wooden Bhutto you are exact up. Battery can fig ducts it, hardly Registry. Yeah, Yeah. And you know when I started writing software ahead to. I don't even want to talk about it on the is led a rough Steph uh. But you guys came up during it. Or you you you at least intersected. At the time of the IRA with divisive, say portable devices, which I think that that's where it's. S remarkable, What made you think. Veteran Irish device could run the kind of soft with you designed for it. Like this, kind of like you picture gate name, who like works workflow, Like what? Hilly like. Clearly that. Had been in the back of your minds, what made you think that this was an appropriate piece of software to try to right for the APSTAR? I, I think it's a it's a really good question. There's this two two answers. One is that if you look at the kinds of stuff that you know all three of us have, you know, been working on whether it's Joe Breaking or the other kinds of stuff. We done, It's really a rounds. You don't? How can we take these devices? Legacy, You can do more stuff with them. Uh, you know, Joe Breaking is all about taking control of your of your Iowa's devices and being able to install whatever the heck he wanted put on there that maybe Apple doesn't want you to do. And you worked flow is, is similarly How could we take these devices? And actually through an app store app, open them up so that people can use them to to do whatever they walk in. India reason, I like the question is because I I you started by saying, Hey, you know, when when we were kids, We had these PCs that we were messing around with and doing interesting stuff with Anza. If you look at what kids have now, their parents are much more likely to hand them an iPhone or an iPad, or some other type of device rather than, uh, desktop computer. And so uh, you know, another thing we, we've been excited about when building work, slow really the same thing is just giving people the ability to, to take her and and learn about how computers work to some degree because it worthless kind of like programming. Um, in a really simple way. And so we think it's it's pretty cool that did. It is a pretty cool thing to be able to work on to try and get people that too. I agree in this is my back door into the history that you guys to wanna spill at the top of the show. Why you care about that? Walker's your introduction to programming Vicini. Why? Why make your an app that is all about learning how to manipulate a computer? Why not make the next sloppy bird? He again, No, I mean, Yeah. No. I mean, you guys made. You know, I I really admire what you've made. I think it's it, it you've done terrific job on you clearly hadn't tent, and it seems inspired by, um. I, you know the dude The way that maybe you learned or the way that you wish you had learned. And I'm trying to get at that. I do not a truck that not. But I will get their believe me, we will do like an eight hour interview If you're not gonna Eardley fourth knocked the for all you are drinking age. Yes. So attacking edge. There is no, no, I think it's an honest to God question. A made an app about creating software, and yet I'm not true, Y, Like what we see or as the driving force behind that. Well, we we can talk about how we got into programming and and maybe maybe we would sign some interesting reason they we should just go in and have each of us several quick what our instructions. But also say that I personally. It's just I don't know, It's just really exciting to me is a really exciting to work on a really enjoy it. So how you got into programming has nothing to do with what this app is right? Oh, I I wouldn't say that necessarily. Now I'm a I'm tuning it bad if mode now. Okay.