Listen: Nadler says 'No question: we're in investigation to determine articles of impeachment'
"Begin tonight with the breaking news. The trump justice department headed by the Trump Attorney General William Barr told a federal court in Washington tonight that the House Judiciary Committee should be denied any access to grand jury material from the mall investigation because because impeachment is not a judicial proceeding according to the Justice Department the Justice Department filing in court notes that grand jury material can be released in connection with a judicial proceeding the Justice Department then insists quote impeachment proceedings in Congress including hypothetical removal precedings in the Senate are not judicial proceedings under the plane and ordinary meaning of that term judicial proceedings are legal proceedings precedings governed by law the take place in judicial forum before a judge or magistrate proceedings that occur outside the judicial setting are not judicial. Sean proceedings even if they are called a trial and include some of the procedures familiar from a courtroom such as sworn testimony or lawyer lead Ed questioning of witnesses the committee for its part offers no explanation for how rule sixties reference to judicial proceedings authorizes access access to grand jury materials for congressional proceedings administered by members of Congress rather than legal proceedings overseen by judges yesterday yesterday the House Judiciary Committee on a party line vote voted for a resolution for investigative procedures offered by Chairman Jerrold Nadler that resolution solution describes in detail the invested procedures that committee will use in what it calls the committee's investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment with respect to President Donald J trump leading off our discussion tonight the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Congressman Jerry Nadler. He Represents New York's tenth congressional it Distracts Chairman Nadler the Justice Department seems to be making two cases here first of all that this is not a judicial proceeding in your committee Eddie therefore you don't have a right to this second even if it was a judicial proceeding interpreted that way you still don't don't have a right to it even if it went to trial even if it went to a Senate trial you don't have a right to any of this material of their their first of all saying that you aren't even having an impeachment investigation there isn't they insist. There is no impeachment investigation in the house. Well let me deal with that. Universal order we have been very clear for the last several months in in court filings in public statements and in proceedings in the committee that that we are in fact conduct an investigation preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment to now's now you can call that an impeachment investigation you call that impeaching inquiry. Those terms have legal meaning but that's exactly what we're doing. We're involved in investigation to determine whether to to recommend mend articles impeach into the House and we will determine that at the conclusion of this investigation and and now now I know the Republicans and here just department is simply acting as an arm of the Republican Party. They have argued that this cannot be real impeachment investigation because the house it didn't vote and authority to the community to do it most impeachments done since the reorganization act of Nineteen forty-six have begun in the beginning begun in the in the Judiciary Committee have not had house authorizations a at all the Nixon impeachment had a house weatherization six months after the investigation starting judiciary committee and that was done as was the Clinton House weatherization in order to give the committee the right to do certain kinds of subpoenas and depositions positions house rules have changed. We have that authority without a specific resolution the house so there's no question that we're doing that. We are in an official official. We're doing an investigation toward determining whether to recommend articles impeach the president. The second argument they make is that that doesn't qualify S. judicial proceeding and therefore we're not entitled to Grand Jury Information. I simply say this is another instance of the trump administration trying to cover up and hide from Congress and from the American people in this case from Congress because the American people wouldn't see the grand jury information all kinds of mission. They're they're they're opposing hosing the president said he would oppose he would defy all subpoenas which they have done that by the way was article three of the Nixon impeachment defying subpoenas the law says that a a upon request by the chairman of the ways and Means Committee the Department the IRS shall give tax returns for any individual they have declined to do so they've refused to do so they've said that they haven't shown inadequate purpose none of their business and so just to fight defying all the law and order to hide everything from Congress American people now. They're excuse here that this is not a judicial proceeding. There is judicial precedent for quality for for considering impeachment proceeding either judicial proceeding or preparatory judicial proceeding but I let the details of that go to the legal legal to the reply brief that will be filed this coming"