Russia worked to help Trump in 2016 election: Senate panel

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Million documents. Hundreds of witness interviews and the consensus from Democrats and Republicans in the Senate Intelligence Committee is that Russia aggressively tried to influence 2016 presidential campaign, and the Trump campaign was happy to accept Russian help, they said. So in 1000 page report this week, the committee also reportedly made criminal referrals to federal prosecutors believe in a number of people have lied or maid. Contradictory statements to investigators were going to turn now to Justin. Rude. He's a former congressional investigator now director of the project on Government Oversight. Thanks so much for being with us good to be with you. According to officials who spoke with the Times, The Washington Post NBC News the intelligence Committee Told the Department of Justice that Steve Bannon, Erik Prince Sam Clovis Alternate Associates appeared to have made false statements to the committee and that Donald Trump Jr and Jared Kushner had made statements that were contradicted by other testimony. How often does a congressional committee make a referral like that? But they're not common, but I would say they're not infrequent. It's hard to say for sure, because sometimes these pearls are made publicly. Sometimes they're made privately. These obviously we've made privately so it's hard to have AH, clear accounts, but it's not uncommon, especially at the end of a lengthy investigation like this one toe have examples of Witnesses say you feel may have not have been fully forthcoming on there's a matter almost house. You need to refer that to Department of justice and ask them to look look into a little further. Would you have any concern based on what we do know now that the Justice Department is ignoring Congress or slowing down the process? This is not a normal year. That is not a normal administration for sure make that difficult to see inside a black box of the situation like this. Certainly there are concerns from politicization of the Department of Justice. But I would also say that historically speaking when Congress makes with pearls to the Department of Justice for anything but particularly around obstruction, or or false statements, types of concerns If the figures of the subjects of those girls are connected to the administration administration officials regardless of whether they're Democratic Republican, the Department of Justice rarely takes those cases up frequently. These were for Those are much more successful if they target a private individual. Well, what a tradition. Why don't they traditionally picked them up old fashioned politics? It's hard to convince the Department of Justice to go after a member of their own administration on DH while I think false statements, serious charge, and certainly any federal investigator would tell you get in. I think there are people have gone to prison for lying to Congress, right? Oh, absolutely, and in recent history as well, So I think that we should probably point to that evidence as well. You got Michael Cohen, who pled guilty to a charge of lying to Congress. He had Roger Stone, who was convicted of making false statements now, But those were coming through the Mueller team. The special prosecutor's team and these referrals are going to the U. S Attorney's office here in D. C. Which I think has a little bit of a body a record. I think Congress just heard from members that office in June. I believe about interns around politicization there. In the cases of Michael Flynn and Excuse me and Roger Stone sentencing. So, so it's tough to read whether or not it's going to move forward. I would say that while the Department of Justice don't get these referrals from Congress from committees from members because it's just a letter anyone any member of Congress or the Mini can write one of these letters. I think they tend Give credence to these work world become, as this one does from the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is to say first that's being made on a bipartisan basis by the by the chair and vice chair of the committee is coming at the end of an extensive and detailed investigation. That's just one person's opinion. Kind of popping off. They you assume have AH, decent. Body of records to refer to and the third one is they didn't publicly They didn't try to politicize it so that I think a lot of watches gives credence in some real gravity. Well, thanks very much for being with us. Justin Road, directs the Congressional Oversight Initiative at the project on Government Oversight. We're very grateful for your time. Thank you, sir. For having me At

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