Listen: Iowa caucuses results are in but chaos and confusion reign as no clear winner emerges
"AP has declared officially after so many days of waiting eating That there is no winner. They are unable to declare a winner of Iowa Democratic caucuses because of irregularities in this year's process and the tight emergent between Pete Buddha judge and Bernie Sanders now. This comes after The Democrat National Committee Chair. Tom Perez has already dad. We need to re canvass. We need to go back and count all you know all of the paper Th th the paper trail everything because it's too close to call. There are too many questions we gotta start over Pat What are your thoughts on this tobacco. I think we've already left behind. Have we got New Hampshire coming up in a couple of days as we might as well. Just forget it this year. Yeah I mean nobody's going to really be able to have the bragging rights here because They can both claim victory. Sort of Bernie is already saying he won the initial Vote and Buda judge one the one after that and and it's kind of like I think it was two thousand twelve with Rick Santorum where we found out a week later right that he won when they thought it was. Who Was it Romney or they thought somebody else one yeah and it turned turned out? Sanatorium did and so he never really got the credit for that I mean he never really got any momentum going or anything for that because it was too late this. It's going to be as well. I think we're wins. Josh Pat points out you know. Historically the person who wins does get that momentum going into the New Hampshire voting and no one's going to have that now. How do you see that playing out yet? So need silver at five. Thirty eight had a pretty good column on Tuesday the night after this total crap show unfolded where he basically. We said that. Even if Iowa does get you know what together. It's never going to be too little too late. It's already too late because what happens. Is the boost. You get head. Is You go on national television that night and you're able to declare victory as someone who was very active in the Cruz campaign. Two Thousand Sixteen. I remember Ted's victory speech in Iowa very well and he got a bump out obviously didn't take them all the way but it did help so no candidate is going to be able to claim that this year and I think there are serious questions about the Avocados process going forward. I mean I'm actually longtime defender tender of it. I happen to like the caucus process. I participated in and I to me. It kind of embodies all that Alexis de Tocqueville famously looked at America everyone kind of game together and like like they're doing their civic duty in a very fundamental level. It says it's much more engaging process and the privacy of a ballot box clicking lever so I'm long time defender but having said add that if the Iowa Democratic party can literally not tabulate the votes to give us what the party apparatus needs. I think there are very serious questions but I will going forward. So whoever ends up the winner and perhaps we'll never know. It seems to me quite possible. It will be the last winner but I will caucus what do you think trial in. Good clear even at we don't know winter. The the clear loser was Joe Biden. Who by all accounts came into distance? fourth-place talk about the former vice president of the United States coming in Pretty low in an in a state that he he should have carried or at least come into the top two and we were just talking a little bit earlier that there has never been a nominee of of either party Who has placed below second place in both Iowa and The caucus in the New Hampshire primary. So if Joe Biden doesn't get his act together and at least place in the top two Next week in New Hampshire. There's really no precedent for him to become the the party's nominee. I mean how incredible would that be that. There's been all all this talk about Joe Biden and we could be looking at him dropping out within a week or two. He's done I mean I do a weekly election. Newsletter for the daily wire comes out Thursday's you can describe bribe. LP DUCK LP dot daily wire dot com slash. Get election wire so I said Yeah. I'll talk to folks about. Yeah but I mean I guess I basically said stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done I don't see it at this moment. He's fourth place in Iowa. He's not going to get any better in New Hampshire that so-called firewall in South Carolina which the the campaigns been touting for months maybe a year on. Then it's already dissipating. He's four or five points. The most recent poll there if he goes fourth-place in Iowa third or fourth New Hampshire. He's probably not GonNa Win Nevada because again it's a caucus state caucus eight does not play well to his campaign apparatus. He's going to go over three in the first three. That firewall Julia Florida already saying he's not he's he doesn't have a very good apparatus in Nevada. He doesn't have have a good organization on the ground there and he's not looking good right now. Now we obviously see judge with a little bit of momentum going into New Hampshire sure You know let's let's pretend for a second that's already played out. Buddha judge gets the gets this boost and suddenly Buddha judge is the person that we're looking got running against trump in the general just UC. That is that going to be a problem for trump. Do you think or do you think trump could handle it partly I I do not. They blew judges a particularly scary general election for trump I actually think Bernie Sanders. Despite being as radical as he is a more formidable generally Bernie Sanders and trump. Have this weird crossover appeal read. They're both kind of burn it. All down anti-establishment counter cultural in their own unique sense figures. I think they actually she probably a appeal to a lot of these similar. kind of rust belt's More antitrade Anti Nafta style voters would adjudge. There's just so much material for trump come to work with their and he's so young he's so inexperienced. I mean a lot of you are these conspiracy theories that he's like a CIA agent. It's kind of sketchy. We don't really know exactly what he was doing. There's just like he's too USA by happy but he's what he's thirty seven years. Old Trump could torture in the debate. I think he's the mediocre mayor of a town one-seventh the size is of your average congressional districts I I mean E it's not serious I was telling somebody from Miami. Yesterday I was making like a reference in terms of like how how big South Bend is compared to like some of the small municipality down there and it's just really ridiculous and I I totally agree with Josh. Not only does does Bernie Sanders. Had I think the strange crossover appeal. I also think he can activate people who otherwise don't vote just bring a lot of people out of the woodwork to show up to vote so I think I think I think president trump is in a very strong position heading into November. But it's going to be very interesting to see what Democrats do you at the convention because it would. There's no clear front runner. I don't think that the powers that be. You're convinced that Buddha judges is strong and the clearly do not like Bernie Sanders so we may. We may be going into broke. Invention Pat. Do you just to play. Devil's advocate Josh. Do you agree with Josh. That Bernie would be formidable candidate against against trump. Because it's because the just put it out there you know. I agree with what you're saying that they kind of have this same anti-establishment feel but it's so hard to vote for for someone like Bernie wants US radical change people's lives are good right now. You know you have the economy that trump touted during the state of the Union. You people are working on It seems so unlikely to me that people would say yeah. Let's change everything. Let's burn down when it's working for the majority of two and especially since Bernie as a socialist list. My hope is that this is still America and we're not quite there yet. Another young people who were there that think socialism might be a great alternative to capitalism. Something I think this shows the greatest difference you can possibly show going into an election a guy who's overseeing a great economy for for four years and who is a hardcore hardcore capitalist and a socialist curmudgeon. WHO's seventy eight years old? I mean I think that's a great economy That that trump could exploit whereas does with Buddha judge who I don't think is that strong either And it seems like you don't go from South Bend Indiana mayor to President of the United States. Although there was a country where can happen. It's here thank you. Don't go from reality. Show host president if that happened but Budi judge has has one other thing going for him and that's identity politics and you've got to be a little bit careful with him because of what you say and trump isn't careful and he could run into trouble I think. Yeah I mean my concern with with with Buddha judges his his youth and I think he could definitely use that to his advantage. But it is as far as Bernie and socialism. I mean like Josh like Josh Nine you as well like we were born in in in an era where like the Cold War is like a distant memory the most people of Dr Generation. Wow we have no recollection of what socialism even is the here it. There's like some scary S. word but they don't exactly know what it means. They don't remember the bread lines in the former Soviet Union or or the Eastern Bloc states countries and and they're not learning it at school either so when you call someone a socialist. They'll think. Oh Yeah it's like the Norway pavilion at Epcot They're completely disconnected from it. So have to be the baby. Maybe boomers who understand that and don't vote for for Bernie Sanders hopefully still will we like the the people have educated on it. Yeah"