Listen: The White House isn't ruling out another shutdown
"Who say the shutdown. She'd be taken off the tip. I'm not going to get into the hypotheticals of taking that off the table. Okay. So that's not down as is on the table. The president thinks the odds of no deal are are high higher than the odds of a deal. And it came on the day, we found out that it is costing nited states three billion dollars for the shutdown. That's according to the CBO and only twenty percent of Americans actually support shutting down the government again that is a bipartisan and overwhelmingly resounding statement people don't want it Kaitlan Collins out front of the White House tonight and Caitlyn that is the big question. The president dangling out there again. Right. Are we headed for another shutdown? Yeah. And that's really the question here. But what it's going to come down to Aaron his largely two things one. Whether or not those congressional negotiators can find a deal, not just finding a deal, but also one that could pass both chambers of congress and get the president's signature now as you noted in that Wall Street interview, Wall Street Journal interview, he expressed doubt that they could come to a deal, but the president isn't the only one who skeptical here because both sides have drawn these red lines not only the president saying he dealt take anything less. Than five point seven billion. But also with the house speaker Nancy Pelosi being on camera calling the wall and immorality now. The one bright spot that White House. Aides have looked at lately who's on this committee. That's trying to find a deal, and it's none of the hardliners mostly you see these appropriators here who are used to finding a compromise. And have said they would like to do. So for this. Now, if they don't Richard deal, and they don't reach one that either Nancy Pelosi lights or the president likes. Then the president has said that his top choice essentially here is to invoke a national emergency therefore bypassing congress to fund his border will. So that's the question here. One thing we did learn today. Erin is that the president will get the chance to make the argument for his border wall during that televised prime-time address during the state of the union, which is going to be one week after it was initially scheduled to happen. All right Caitlin. Thank you. Out front tonight democratic congressman Roque Khanna. He's a member of the house oversight committee. And I appreciate your time. Congressman look the president is putting the odds at less than fifty fifty that the bipartisan group of congressional negotiators will get a deal before there's another shutdown. So so he he has the odds for a shutdown where do you put them? Very discouraging. I think we can get a deal done. The Democrats are willing to fund border security. We're willing to fund smart border security, even give more than five point seven billion dollars. We would give ten billion dollars, but we're not going to get money for the fifteenth century idea for wall. And I think the president if he can move beyond his campaign promises could easily get a reasonable deal. So I in the interview of the Wall Street Journal, the president said he would not rule out another shutdown. Right. His quote, certainly an option. That's what he used to describe another shutdown. Now, look we we know from the most recent polls Americans overwhelmingly don't want that outcome. According to Monmouth, right? That is a bipartisan take from people in across the country. Do you believe the president will go ahead with another shutdown? Does he think that that's a real alternative? I don't for two reasons one. The polling showed that it was unpopular for him. But more importantly, his own economic advisor said that it was costing the country point one three percent of GDP every week. The president knows that he's nowhere. If this economy falls into recession or tanks. I just don't think he's going to take that kind of risk again. So when you talk about being willing to give something for border security, but not a wall at this is this is what it all comes down. To sometimes words are not just words. Sarah Sanders today was asked about it. She said that you all Democrats need to give something here. She is. They don't come back with the deal. That means Democrats get virtually nothing that will make the president and force him to have to take executive action. That does not give Democrats the things that they want. Will you vote for deal, congressman content? That includes some wall, I will not. And I think the president is miscalculating his odds on executive action. Let me Senator Rubio Senator blunt have said that they would not support the president in declaring a national emergency. And as you know, we could invoke section five of the national emergency act and the congress capacity joint resolution to overturn it. Now, it would require veto proof majority. But the question is whether Senator Rubio and blunt and others would stick to what they said they would do. Well, of course, Senator Graham has already said he supports a national emergency. I mean, I guess I guess the reality of it is are you willing to take one? Well, I would vote to overturn it. And I think it's clearly unconstitutional. I mean Harry Truman when he declared a national emergency to nationalize steel for the Korean war the court so that that was unconstitutional. So certainly this is not going to be a constitutional exercise of the president's power. But here's the point. We're all for reasonable border security in the president. If he just gets passed the wall, and if you'd thinks about what's commonsense can get a deal. I mean, people say well road, you have you have security in your own house. But I don't build a wall around my house. I have an alarm system, I represent Silicon Valley technology solutions that are effective. And my hope is the president will see that. Now, of course, the president points at communities, you know, whether it's a layer San Francisco anywhere across this country and says, well, they have walls to and in fact when he gave in here, right? No other word for it. Right. He caved and the government reopened, and he didn't get any money for his wall. At that time. He was slammed by his. Base for doing that. Here are a couple of people. He promised something for eighteen months. And he lied about it. She has just whipped the president of the United States. He just reversed himself. That's a victory for Nancy Pelosi. Okay. When he hears that from people that he cares deeply about. He cares. What they think about him. He cares that they reflect what he thinks his base wants, do you think that will make him dig in even more? He doesn't wanna look like a loser. Unfortunately, they're calling the shots. And this is the base that he thinks got him elected. But leadership is about convincing your base to do something that makes sense for the country. The president of everyone knows has a lot of loyalty from his base his poll numbers are through the roof still with that forty percent of the country that voted for him. I think if he turned to them and said, look, I'm going to getting border security. We're getting funding for smart border security, and it doesn't have to be about a fifteenth century. Well, I actually think the vast majority of his base would stay with him. So I think he is over relying on the end Coulter's and isn't doing what would. The vast majority of the country wants all right? Well, thank you very much. I appreciate your time tonight. 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