Heavy Metal? Not Us.
All right. I had to actually check that I hadn't done an episode on this before. Because it's a perfect episode, the kind of thing that I thought I would have done early on So this is episode four. We're going to call this heavy metal, not us. Okay, so the idea here is. We're going to be talking about the concept of bans that aren't particularly heavy metal bands that, for some reason, end up making amazing, amazing heavy metal when they get to it and possibly why that might happen you know the idea to do this I've always thought this concept and debated it with a lot of people, but I was actually on earlier today on Pete Pardo's sea of tranquility, and we were doing a deep cut dive on bluest her cult, and it kind of rambled around to this this topic. And he said this was a great example of that and I was thinking, is it a great example of that is definitely an example of that. But I, but I kind of got to thinking that bluish are cult complicated case, but there are other bands that are even better examples of this so I thought. That will be my next episode. So this is how this came about now I, want to give you a little history on this idea, so you know essentially we're not. We're not here to to debate bands like For example there are bands throughout heavy metal, history, or whatever rock history that don't consider themselves. Heavy metal bands that do a lot of heavy metal. Classic example is when Lemme gets up there alive and says we're motorhead. We play rock and roll right. Little More Lemme later maybe but also black Sabbath talk. We're blues, Band and deep purple you know, says various things you know where we're at Jan, were progressive, rock band. We're jazz, rock band, red jazz band whatever whatever sort of floats their boat, but they usually don't say we're a heavy metal band. Now more in of these examples later on, but to go right back to the beginning. You know it's interesting that this concept you know. Mike, my good friend, Ralph Chapman. We always have these debates over Banger, or we did when we were there in these meetings to put together these shows and stuff where where it's always like the Beatles did everything I well so. Here's an example of this happening so in a way. Helter skelter is an example of kind of doing this I and I interviewed Paul McCartney back for my Queen Book Awhile Ago. And after we were done talking about queen you know I. I asked him a few other things and We were talking about helter skelter, and this is what he told me. I think that heavy metal came out of a desire to rock into rock, big and dirty and loud, and for that you don't have to have rules you talk about what made us do. Helter skelter desire to rock, dirty and loud, and when I listened to it now I think Oh. Gosh I thought it was louder dirtier than that? Because Times have changed, but I think it's just that if you're in a rock and roll band, and your soul is anchored in the Sea of rock and roll and you want to do it, you WanNa participate to your fullest. Fullest and sometimes that means being dirty. Being loud guitar are famous for turning up to eleven, and that's very understandable. Desire I. Mean I still now when I get with my band. We're at a soundcheck just strapping on my electric guitar, kicking it a pedal tearing it up. That's the spirit that kind of goes through rock and roll. You know it's a thrill anyone who has ever owned an electric guitar and put it through. An amp knows that thrill so I think that's where it all came from the desire to just thrash out. That's why we did helter skelter. Now. This doesn't include kind of the back story about Pete Townsend, saying you know where the loudest heaviest band in the world and Paul McCartney's natural. You know competitive nature to to compete with with the WHO and a and this is kind of this narrative. That they were trying to out heavy. The WHO so here's a band who's not a heavy metal band by any stretch of imagination. Just saying right, you want heavy metal. Let's let's give you some heavy metal I seem to recall I might have talked about this in another episode, but but excuse me in that pursuit, because some of these bands that we're gonNA. Talk about here. I have talked about another APSOS, but I'm going to be talking about specific specific to this concept. So, hopefully we'll be a You know a different dynamic when we're talking about these bands now. One other quote before we get to our first one, this one even more infocus a puts together this concept, so this is from Scott. Gorham from thin. Lizzy and I've always loved this quote. and we're GONNA include thin. Lizzy later on, but we'RE NOT GONNA. Do this song in honor of. Basically Scott Gorman thin, lizzy. We're going to include thin lizzy, but they fit perfectly anyway so. We were talking about Angel of death, which is which is a a very heavy metal song on the renegade album from nineteen eighty-one. He says yeah, absolutely bub-bubba calling weather sucks. We never We never ever put ourselves in the medal stakes. We always consider ourselves hard rock band, which to me just entails a little bit more in the songwriting side, rather than just heavy metal guitar riffs going constantly through all the songs, but yeah, we did not want to go down the metal road to us. The metal thing and I don't mean this any. Any disrespect to any of the guys, but it seemed a little corny to us, so we tried to avoid that side of it, and plus we knew that there were a lot of guys out there. That did that kind of John, well, but it was just one of those tracks where we recorded it. Listen back to it and for a time there. It wasn't one of our favorites. But yeah if anybody actually called. US, heavy metal, we would actually jump all over them, and the correction would start there, you know. We considered ourselves in absolute hard rock band, but definitely not a metal band the difference between the two genres. Band, it all depends on the riff drum groove in the guitar riff, whereas with hard rock, it's all about the groove and the lyrics and the melody the song and that's why we went out of her way to explain that we are a heavy metal or are. We are a rock band. And then fill linnet, said That's one of the facets of You know what I was just told Interesting side note by one of the listeners I always said Phil Line it for years and years and years, and then I was corrected, and said Phil Lynnette for years and years and years, and now I've been corrected again with a little bit of proof that it is in fact, fill line at Because he says that Phil used to say when he was correcting people, he would say line it. Why not? So there you