Facing Fear with Wire-Walker Nik Wallenda

Dose of Leadership


All Right Nick Will Linda on dose of leadership. Welcome. My friend. Thanks for on man it's been. Telling you for the recording I was always been a fan of your stuff and watching your walking do all this crazy things and the man would be great to have you on the show in here your finally. So the the one more thing off my dose of Leadership Bucket List check off soon thanks for coming. Awesome long. Glad to be here. Man I love this concept. The book we talked about fear a lot on this show and one times people ask me what's the of all the interviews I've done? What's the big takeaway in the lesson in one of them is That fear and uncertainty never goes away. It's been an Aha moment for me over the last seven years. Where I've I've learned to embrace it right that it never fully goes away and it's actually kind of a blessing. What what do you think about when you hear him say that? Yeah, look. I wouldn't I could could tell you a million ways that we have to embrace our fears. In fact, in my book I talk a lot about healthy fears, unhealthy fears and They're both kinds and and some of those fears are what drive us to continue to want to get better continue to work harder continued. To strive for excellence you know fear of failure can be used as a positive or a negative and and for me the fear of failing well in the literal sense on the wire Bosnian I, live, of course, but just in life in general that fear of failures, what drives me to continue to be the best that I can be whether I'm sweeping the floor or or walk into wire over an active volcano yeah. Do you feel like I've come to the mindset and believed? I? Feel like That fear that gnawing or whatever the physical manifestations at you feel. I do feel like it's universe it's God is the angels amuse whatever you want to believe has put something on your heart and it's I almost look at as an obligation to kind of work through and if you work through it, something significant happens on the other side i. do feel like when he gets to the kind of questions of why why are we here in the purpose I think that that fear that you feel it is a barometer and what you probably should be doing well, what do you think about that? Yeah look I would agree with you I mean I know that that the my greatest achievements come from me stepping outside of my comfort zone. Stepping into fear that is that is again on the wire off lower, their be talking on stage to to couple thousand people or walking a wire wherever that might be. The reality is every time that I do that I step outside of my comfort zone and I think that fear is so vital. In fact, you know what you the fear that you're referring to I I really call respect and there's a fine line between the two I agree. But I've been told that Elton John pukes trash can he goes out on stage? Right? He's early not scared to go out and play the piano and sing. That's just who he is. He's the best of the best but. I believe it's because he wants to deliver to such a high level that he feels that stress and that anxiousness before he goes out on stage still to this day and again, I think that's what makes him. Great. It's the same with with I think most people are successful. I think if you ask some of the best athletes in the world, they would tell you the same thing they're the. Best athletes in the world they still get nervous because they believe they know they have to deliver to such high level and they used that fear to drive them to deliver to that level and think that's so important I. think it's important to really realize that there is a difference between fear a healthy fear and unhealthy fear and that and again fear is is often respect just relating. To the walking the wire when I get on the wire before I walk over time square per se. It's not as though my heart rate drops as GOCHA. Here we go again. No, my heart rate goes up and when I walked to the edge of a building, it does I'm real just like anyone else but I can take that say okay that is respect I respect the fact that this Is Dangerous and therefore I training prepare prior to those events immensely so that I'm prepared for what might face during those walks at resonates with me you know as as a pile of an professionally for thirty years and fly professionally for major airline and I was talking with somebody about this this morning and and every time that she goes well, you must be pretty comfortable doing I am but I intentionally Crashing all the time and that sounds Morbid. But it's a respect thing that I'm talking about I. Don't I don't walk into it thinking Oh my God i could crashes in the horrific things that come with it I do it for interdict thing right so that I so I don't get complacent. That's why I look at it that way. Yeah complacency is dangerous. It is very dangerous in any aspect similar to what you know aviation walking a wire being a police officer. You know if you become if you become complacent, it becomes a very, very dangerous if you're a police officer and you're always aware of what's going on chances are you will be much safer for the police office than the police officer who's just you know? Okay I'm going to work today. It's another day in the job. The reality is we need to continue to push ourselves and what I. Found is when I become complacent is when I there's a close call something happens again with a big gust of wind or something along those lines in it's a wakeup call like, Hey, you know what don't become complacent pay attention to what you're doing. You're risking your life and and I think that really applies to everybody in every aspect of life. If we become complacent, we sort of become stagnant and if we're stagnant or not moving forward and I, choose to live my life trying to move forward every single day

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