Understanding Early Muslim History and Sectarianism, with Dr. Ali Ataie
Elliott I. It is a rental student in researcher WHO's been involved in interfaith activities for over two decades. He holds a Master's in Biblical studies with a focus on. New. Testament and Biblical languages. He also holds a PhD in cultural historical studies in religion from the graduate. Theological. Union his doctoral work focused on Muslim Herman UNIX of Biblical texts especially, the Gospel of John. And he lives, in Santa, cinnabon California with his wife Royer and three daughters. So welcome to the show Dr Ali tight. Thank you because local good to be back for a third time. Yes. We're always excited and I know in the past we've had you You know on the show to Kinda talk. About Christianity. Were of sort of interfaith conversations in the audience as well as US. We benefited him immensely from those on. So I thought this would be a little bit different. I know something that you would probably consider a little bit outside of your wheelhouse or area of expertise perhaps but I would contend that you know i. if you are perfectly suited in a sense that not only given your background that you touched upon on the first episode but to really kind of have a conversation a, that is related to an intra faith. Issue of between kind of the she and the Sunni tradition and I say that. Because Dr your background actually your family background has something you had mentioned the first time we had this conversation you come from a she background your family is or remain or is still short she yes might my parents or practicing Shiites to use the Latin sort of suffix please them or she I guess we can say. So Yeah mink growing up. We were like I don't typical sort of Iranian so. No religion really anywhere and freedom to do whatever we wanted. Think. However, we wanted but as my parents got older, they rediscovered their. Roots their Shiite woods. So there you know they may have two, thousand, six and they're. Very, devout Shia now. so for me growing up however. I actually, never really considered myself. a Muslim until I got into. College. and. Then the brothers I met initially were so knee and they sort of against to enter the wing and and copy. Islam. In an over the years, of course, with I've had. Great conversations with my parents on on certain things and. What's the significance of this event in history you? How do you interpret this verse? What about this Heidi Eve? Things like that So that's that's where a standard now. Yeah, I mean you off air you made the caveat This isn't sort of an area of study or expertise for you on, but not only just given the family background but I would I mean as someone who is really a deep student of history I think that a I think some of the the touch points that we wanNA focus on in today's conversation on it'd be really nice to hear your thoughts on because essentially couple I wanted to make to clarifying points and then kind of dive right in, and that was related to the last episode of the two parter we did with the amount weenie. Is that for the listener someone some heard my question or my line of questioning as. Kind of questioning Sunni orthodoxy around some of these historical issues and I wanted to clarify that wasn't the case I mean I'm not I wasn't sort of trying to place. Any doubts on the Sunni narrative were the Sunni approach to these the historical events that we touched on but rather it was really as I said at the outset of the conversation with the Amati 'cause Weenie that this was not meant to be a debate. We weren't there to debate a Sunni points at the allergy were a Sunni the Sunni approach to some of the historical of historical events that we talked about. So it was more of being able to be deferential. To our guest and give him the opportunity to really essentially lay down the narrative of early. Muslim. History according to the cheese sources. So I, wanted to clarify that from some of the questions that I asked not for you professor Italian but rather listener Number two with regards to this particular conversation where things more meaningful to you is that the purpose of this show is not to have you on to serve offer the Su Ni reputation, right to the points that were raised in the last episode. This is not a polemic, a polemical conversation. Again, we're not here to sort of do that. That's not the approach that at least i WanNa, take I imagine all three of us don't WanNa take it's more of a deep dive or as deep as we can get given time constraints and so on on into kind of the Sunni perspective on some of the issues, there are some of the events that we focused on last time. Good. Bremer. Great. Great. So I think or if you had any thoughts or any comments you wanted to make otherwise I'd be happy to kind of dive right into it with. A tiny. No I just want to echo that like I decided emptying Irwin Cup of understanding and just trying to understand and learn in that conversation we weren't coming with their own. Ideas to the table. They were not that we were undermining ideas. We just put them to the sites we can learn.