What do you think's gonna happen to those emigrants? I mean, if you have roots in this country, If you have a kid, If you be the kid here and it gives the citizen and your kids in school, they have a business, You know, what do you think? Do you think people will actually try to return or this all getting all this will do is create a new population of undocumented people? I think it's much more likely that it's the latter. Um, I think that people, you know, there are probably some people who may have access to other forms of legal status who that they haven't already pursued or who might ultimately be able to get some form of relief that. I think a lot of the people who are here are not going to leave that for exactly the reasons that you mentioned. I think we've seen that when people are when people have roots here, not having immigration status isn't isn't as bigger problem for them as pulling up their entire lives would be. So I do the Ainhoa ends end. This obviously isn't something that the Trump administration is going to acknowledge is a legitimate choice to make right. It's like will either you get legal status theory get out. But I do think that this should be seen as of a peace with the decision to end DACA with via even with the decision very early in this administration to rescind the Obama administration's memos on who should be prioritised for deportation. I think all of these should be seen as pieces in a broader strategy in which they are not spending a ton more resources on enforcement. They're certainly not you know, hugely ratcheting up deportation efforts instead of they are increasing the number of people who are felt vulnerable to deportation and increasing the extent to which those people should feel afraid of deportation at any given time. I think this in this is this something I took part in the open to this episode. I mean consuming the EU's news in the air about the Trump regime, which is that. For as much as Washington is consume with all the spectacle of strict immigration, It does seem that here and immigration, The White House has a very clear agenda and is pursuing it as effectively as an administration can pursue something. Yes. And and I do think that the to a certain extent, the propensity of this administration get smack down by courts. Uh, certainly in the travel ban cases last year. And then you know this week and the decision by a district court judge in California to force the administration to kind of opener partially resurrect the DACA program. I think that things like that have a tendency to obscure the effectiveness with which the administration has pursued its agenda because it seems like they're facing all these high profile set-backs. But for one thing that the Court bench lapse or temporary. No-one expects that this DACA decision is going to hold up for a terribly long time. It's kind of a question. It seems to me to be very open question whether US, Citizenship and Immigration services even starts moving on reopening the program before the Supreme Court says, no, you can't do that by also because there are things that just never come up and quarter. The courts have no jurisdiction over. It's not new federal court can say that its improper, that the Trump administration is arresting a bunch more people who don't have criminal records that there during immigration raids arresting anyone who happens to be unauthorized at the location where they're going instead of just the person who they've already, You know, filled out the arrest form or you know warrant or equivalent for. So it's definitely not something that is, you know, like I said, they're they're kind of maximizing the noise That's made by their limited resources. There are definitely cases in which there over hyping things. There was a raid series in September that they were making a big deal about. We just went into sanctuary cities and arrested a bunch of people and similar. Reporters, they'll look at look reporters and Portland, for example, where they said, Oh, we arrested thirty three people in the sanctuary city Portland. Oregon looked into the numbers and realize that it was thirty three people in Oregon and Washington, and that they had arrested four people in Portland, which is what they do in a typical week. So like there's definitely a tendency to kind of used the bully pulpit use the press two as as a at propaganda weapon, Relay to to make people feel vulnerable. Fit isn't necessarily being backed up by a massive expansion of resources. But in that regard, especially because it's not that hard to make someone who's in a legally precarious position, feel that their lives are, you know, in jeopardy, that's that's a pretty easy thing to do. And the Trump administration has done it very well and warmer than before Latigo door. My colleague, Jim neural, is over at The Hill M. He asked a question to some John Thune or public him in leadership, whether or not, uh, be Graham Flake. Will the deal being brokered by Senator Lindsey, Graham Center, Jeff Flake of Arizona? Whether it ideal is or is not passing muster with the White House in Boone says that it isn't passing muster. The the White House is not fully on board with it. And then Jim also reported that Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas called it a quote, tiny needle of a proposal which is not an idiom familiar with in a quote joke. In says, a cotton says that the president told Graham fleet to go back to the drawing board. So how how should we read this? That this Tom Cotton know anything is his Tom Cotton talkin Tom Cotton has When we say that it's not clear whether the White House is providing leadership, I feel like the fact the Tom Cotton who is the biggest immigration Hawkin Congress now that Jeff Sessions is out, has been included in these meetings and is considered a a big big Mathur on immigration by the White House. If the White House thinks they're going to get a deal, that's going to both passed the Senate and get Tom Cotton's vote. They are incredibly wrong. And if that's their standard for what are the deal looks like than they're not non-interest? In making a deal. So I think we are about to see whether Tom Cotton is the proof is the arbiter of what constitutes a real immigration deal, or whether the White House is going to actually show the kind of backbone and that would require Tom Cotton tilling get off board. I have been speaking to Dr. Lynch. You senior reporter advice dot com and key covers immigration. Thank you, Dr.. Thank you for joining us on Trump cast. Thank you.