like a live computer. Yeah, Exactly. Exactly. But um, you know, the software on their only played music soaps. Uh, I got like kind of evolved in in that community. Uh, that was in, uh, like two dozen fiber doesn't six And then uh, and then like Colorado, Nick gotten said Joe Breaking after that, uh, were done some of the first Joe breaks. Um, the mid one could I jailbreak in uh, worked with some people and Green poison and Purple Rain. Uh. ANZ, What else happens, uh, made an app with common called disconnects are on the App store that was like my first apps or apt, and then we got together in paid work will took. Oh, We would only I come at night A move Delta, a Cisco. Uh, I would I did when you're of college at MIT in comrade finished graduated high school and Nick actually graduate. I spoke same time endocron or at night. Got this. Receive this thing called the chill fellowship. Uh, it it basically they give you one hundred thousand dollars to drop out of school and do whatever work on whatever you're passionate about for two years. Uh, so it's a pretty pretty incredible opportunity. So that's what got us out here like, with the time to be able to work on. Uh, you know, the stuff that were really excited about rather than just as spending our time in school right now, we'll Democrats that he M Roche protests, like applying for that. And I mean, how many Taco's Did you eat once you with Amtra money? Will you be surprised? The there's a lot of toxins in breeders out here in San Francisco, so it's pretty great. Uh. Uh. I it'd be hard to estimate how many we'd eaten. Just in tonnage Rogge tonnage. De, Oh the application process. A really long application, It's actually a lot shorter Now if if anyone is twenty or under an interested in doing that kind of thing, you should go to jail, foes, shipped out, Oregon apply. Actually, it's too late for this year, but for next year, because it's a pretty cool program. And the application is way shorter now that it was what we did, it. Um, and uh, we were I forget, show the rest of my heart. I could what, what was like playing from the scholarship and on. By the way, you guys are being incredibly humble. Yes. Which I admire. But cut it out. You much UN stage here a little bit. Your it. I mean, come on. You want the scholarship, What's your butted mission Bush like? What did you submit? What happened? What was feedback like? Yes. So you you submit this thing in it's it's kind of interesting because you sort of say, Hey, you know what? What do I wanna be working on a three months in? What do I wanna be worked on in two years of what I want to be worked on in five years and or if I were to get the Fellowship, what kind of project would I do? And so for for Conrad lay. You know, we we just talked about wanting to make software. That makes IOS more powerful. You know, all these people are trying to get work done on. Um, you know, mobile devices like your iPhones iPads and uh. We feel like the software on these things just isn't really as good as it needs to be to get real stuff done on end. So you know, our goal is to make really great software that that makes it easier to two s associates. The idea we we sort of applied with and we hadn't even made workflow yet out when we did that. And then Applegate processed aid. Uh, the interview you in, you get to talk to the mentors in other fellows in the community, which is cool. Uh, and then you disorder. They're like, Oh, like you made it to the next round. And then, uh, Is this semi-finalists in They fly you at a San Francisco and you get to meet all the other finalists. I'll never forgive us out here, And it's a really interesting group of people. And, uh, and then he do this presentation very stressful to, in a presentation in front of a bunch of people. And, uh, I had like somehow managed to not get any sleep the prior night because I was like flying here because it was the same weekend as like exams and my brothers bar mitzvah, not sprees This stuff. Um, and so it was like an insane insane time. But anyway we made it. Okay. So weightlifter Let's put it Putin that presentation because I want to come back to, but one little bit of a breather. Google fed. Okay. You've open up a little bit and I appreciate that. What did you learn from the the other people that would presenting with you or during this process? Well, it was pretty interesting to your about the types of things everyone else was working on. I mean, it's kind of funny to go up on stage and talk about how you wanna make better productivity software. And then the next person comes on stage and it's like, Oh, I want to cure cancer. And you're like, Okay, Laura. Even now give the months that guy. Right? Exactly. Uh, sit out that was pretty interesting, And it was really cool to meet the other, a young people who are who are applying And, you know, a lot of them ended up getting in know, very impressive people worked on awesome stuff in school to be in the same community. Well, okay. So that. I mean, you're already talking CEO taught which a lake. Quiet from a technical level or from Um. Just to waive approaching the way that you look years software. Did you learn anything firm via the people plan to this program and on being a Jerkan and really trying to them and like kinda holding you down here a little bit, or that all pleased? It's sick. I would. I would say that, you know everyone replying was an expert, like a spurt relative expert in their own feels like they knew they knew enough to get stuff done fields. And I don't think through was really any. Any other applicants that like focused on Iowa said ten these as we do? We didn't learn Like technical skills in that respect from from the other people piled. But we definitely earned, you know, you know about live your own AWS us. Who's going through this in crosses. Okay. That's fascinating. Okay. I didn't realize who's a show broadly 'Spect. Right. Totally. It was cool because, uh, you know, we, we got to be like, this offer big shots because, you know, we make will Steffan. You'll be glad to see that a little bit. Um, so. So. Taking the pin out, I was on a pitch that must serve being. Hello. Oh yeah. It was awful. We I, I had, uh, exam exam like the day before, And then it was the same weekend as my brothers Burma's for So I missed the first three days of the finals weekend in encountered was there and we had been working over. Oh cool doc on our pitch. And then I got in at like eight AM having not slept at all in two days. And and we get in the morning And we look at the pitch and were like, will this This is just terrible. We can't go up and say this stuff. And so we we who wrote up a new one from scratch. In you know, the like. Two hours we had before the pitch, and then I had to memorize it. And it was very stressful and bridges. Normal great. I mean, you guys your new twenty is not right. I'm twenty comrades 18. On my g-. Oh my God, he I don't. Why did you ask. I was I was makes you didn't know you've got like another ten years of doing stupid shit like this is going to be awesome fear at Annan you're going to want to sleep is really gonna wanna sleep. That is amazing. So you revolt the entire pitch? Two hours before the event we did, she was put Jr. will you comfortable with it over you? You know anxious. Oh, I was I w- I mean mostly from being tired, But I I was die. Like I I could barely thinker stand up straight I I don't know. How was it was really rough. So the door opens in you walk in. And Is this your first pitch that you've ever given? Not not exactly. It was the first the first of of that type in front of that many people. And once going through your minds. Oh man. Well, we think in about I remember the standing in like a shower in a dressing-room just like repeatedly reciting this speech from my eye at rapper acted event. The weirdest thing was because the people they try and. It was They had this like documentary crew. 'cause they're like making a documentary for a web series about about the fellowship in the application process. And so they have these cameras around in these people are filming us, And I'm just like sitting in a light showers in the shower. She was in this dressing room in the shower will big was wide open at declined. A n enormous part of a steady, they're like nervously you crazily reciting the speech over and over again. And then there's like other people like in the same shower stall like doing the same thing. I'm sitting here, timing in, there were like try to time. It's Make sure if it's a two minutes. I love the you're Green Film in the shower, and the only care about is a disease Britain to me. His weekly, um, did it did if in two minutes It did, Uh, that that is like stop light thing on on stage. So while you're standing there, it went, You know, yellow and red when yet Leaving Sohka's because there was forty two minute pitches is every single that team had to come up. So they had to keep moving. So yet fit within two minutes and and we said it people's Ingo think it was already had a few when you get, Oh, you know, when he left the stage. Pretty great sitting there. We we were pretty I think, relate lead with Russe we can of everyone that came before us in just because here purely exhausted economists there on it cannot wants to cause which was a shame because we consider positions but out. But it felt really awesome. Just relax. Do you feel Was it more that you were pleased? It was just over with four defueling you'd actually pitched. The the the company in the product Well, I, I think I think we're happy with our words. I think we were we were amazed that we had. Pulled it off, it was. It was a tough time off. In two clearly it worked in So. Would you make. Well, um, we had So this this was in late May, But if you back up a couple of months At this hack, It's on. At the University of Michigan which I dunno You guys are probably familiar with what act on this, but maybe everyone who listening, You know isn't. So it you know it's it's basically an offence is sometimes really big someplace really small sometimes for students sometimes for people companies where a lot of people get together ends hack, which is basically just making something new. Um, in a very limited amount of time. And then usually there's like prizes for said, you know that the top hacks. And so you will be a work flow as act on projects. And we actually one first place at the whole heck on which is pretty cool because a University of Michigan. Will enacts is the largest student Act Bob Soulier like sixty 100 people. There is something. So it was pretty crazy for us to to get that. We should have a version of workflow that we built to hack on. Uh, we have an archived me sometimes, you know, play digits to see how far UNSCOM. But it's also crazy house similar. It is linked Be still have the driving drop. You know, we built into the aren't with driving drop was it was not as good as is now the basic, which is really cool. Yes, we basically went there and just worked or Asan softer Lightfoot because it is a thirty six hour act that I think. And so we over four of us and we were It's just so hard. We knew we knew coming in exactly what we wanted to do. You know, we wanted to make automated for Iowa us. And we each got about three hours of sleep over the two days, and worked really hard to to make some that worked. So why automated for Iowa us. Oh, well eat a you know this is a thing when you go to act on you kinda wanna make something that's that's new and interesting. Um, that people haven't really seen before, but also, you know, could could be something that's actually useful. Um, and it it just seemed to be the right combination of those things and it was of something that we were all genuinely excited about. And Bull Moore thinking of will loom when we were talking about working together. I was talking to Nick over Facebook messenger and we were brainstorming ideas and Nick actually said, Hey, you know what? If we did something like automated less than I was like, Wow. Like I was going to say the exact same thing. Like I literally headed, ripped out advice to do list of hacked on ideas to work on something like that. And so, uh, yeah, just worked out, will Drew speed notion, move on a mission, were. Did you have a specific idea of how to implement it? Of course. I don't think we had We had some some ideas about a minute. There's like you are all schemes than and the eastward, Um. Um, but we hadn't initially Kobuki idea the ONS in Graff the we app today. We just like the idea of being able to connect connector apps together, M to accomplished asks that haven't been done and to contribute between these types of data. I was so excited when we came up with the idea that I spent the next like two days, not going to classes and just writing down. Uh, like all the ideas ahead in. So we have is like three page google Doc with like just list of actions. Things we could look into in Mac stories, articles that, that we wanted to look at to make sure that we were, you know, pulling the things off the people that people actually wanna use. Uh. I should say I should say that we actually are portion of to have the teach you from acts Dory's with us on this very episode A, Hey, guys, They are going to introduce him. Think threatening me. I've being quiet, just leasing through two readings. Story of my favorite up so far will US. So that's why I didn't talk pleasure to be here for an end guy. Yeah, we've It's a full house. It it We are you trying to solve user problems, or were you trying to create something flexible? Like what was the impetus in, ah. Oh, absolutely. I I'm trying to framed that question in. I don't mean to be dismissive of it as a product, but at one Anelka know where you were going with it as as as an ocean. Yeah, No, I mean, we definitely you know, our goal was really to make something though is flexible and extensible in cool in uh, you know, we're optimizing really at this act on I need, we we we wanted to make it really good, But we really also does optimizing to have the best possible demo. So the woman showed it to people. They were really excited about it. We definitely, you know, haven't our focus in developing workflow, You know is rarely to solve a very specific problem. It's, you know, to make a tool that people can use to solve problems for themselves. So, uh, which is which is maybe a false because it. You know. It could be could be better than serving people in terms of of finding really great ways to use it, and you know that something that that were that we still you don't really need to work record on. That's just that's heartwarming pets. No, I mean, everybody The puts any kind of piece of software in the world is like E N. I could really be better. I'm sorry, the dead, the sharp pages everyone sees our ads. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. And that's debts. It's heartwarming that you guys want to do better job. I think you did an amazing job. Um Federico Yes, you were an avid user. Yeah. So. You know, the floor is yours. Well, I remember when the the Juan de The high Qatar on, uh, I think he was January two dozen fourteen a few people like after you publish the the first YouTube video, uh, with the demo. Like I got a couple of people within minutes tweeting me, Hey, look at this video. Someone is making me the kind of up that you want it because of being asking, I guess some different ways for some sort of automated fry US. Uh, so I got people in last year. A D Gotta take a look at this Vida. So I I watched the video and to be harnessed They didn't really believe it because he looked like it look like one of those. One of the things that it's too good to be true. And I thought, Okay, these must be some sort of shape brick tweak. Because I knew the some of the guys were involved with, uh, with Jake break seen. So I just Yeah, this is never going to be an app at Sorry, guys just. This I I received this kind of email, some videos every day, So I tend to be skeptical wound, something looks amazing and it's just the video. So a few months pass and I'm looking right now, regional email that Ari sent me at the end of July Federico we talked on Twitter a few months back about workflow. We're getting closer to being ready and there's a there's a a screen shot from July and Diop Luke's strikingly similar to the final version says This was the first beta in July missed send me a I think the first build in the maybe ten days. And I was blown away it. It was just like the video and he was even better because it was full of action. So Radi This is August two dozen fourteen. Any he was full of action said he was. I remember you will I was like how Kim these kids make something So like complex and I I just I was trained the up. Uh, and I was talking to my friend Mike of with some I was just telling me there's this bunch of kids. They made this crazy out and Mikey's my CMAG 26th easier. It's a we're pretty young icing and he was like, Yeah, kits these days. Bonner was a bunch of Apple engineers. When I first high I was I was will start likely left out. We made this this this start up And now we're doing this. Yeah, hates it was insane. So in August, they said, as from you, these builds And I think. After we, though with They, they refined the up until the IUC launch an an over over the past couple of months, especially, it's become up that I use the most I income a high-powered every day, every single day you the wet, whether it's four of Bobby shoddy goods from Mexico, He's to to create screen shots to applaud the screen shots of b. I do. I wouldn't see everything A B because they use other apps, but I do a lot of important things in war and, and to meet the best parties really. Uh, the kind of integration Did they built with you say we, the Redick sanctions. And again. Uh, not to dismiss this because a ultra or to say these, He's a great up because it's mate from the very young people, but it's really impressive to me at this very young gauge. They came make these. So you know, this is a tool. Anna at when a when it was their age. I was in college, wasting my life. And you know, uh, I I dropped out after a couple of months and and instead this gets of making this crazy up. The kind of kind of puts things in perspective for me, he added will when I was very Jim's it to Lady too. But I don't think. I think I think if you work speaks herself Annette, rather just focus on that. Um. Um. So you kids can get the fuck off.