UFO, CIA, Gray Barker discussed on This Morning With Gordon Deal


Or would be in visited not they're out. There were they're not out there. What do you think? Yes. To all of those. I think that. People are experiencing especially with the closer encounter cases. They're experiencing only a fraction of what's actually going on with them. I know that's not particularly satisfactory answer. When I started. I thought the same thing that most people that were Ufology enthusiasts thought that they were visitors from well at that time Mars was still considered remote. That was the spot, right? Well, it was a spot in the sky that looked red. And you could see these canals which strangely disappear when you get up close, which is an interesting thing in and of itself. But are there extraterrestrial visitors possible? Absolutely, do I think that that is where the UFO cases are coming from. Absolutely not. Because of what I mentioned before. I think that the notion that we're being visited from else where is probably better phrased as we're being visited from else else. What which means I think that we are so close to other dimensional structures other membranes that are totally different from our own. It's much more likely that you foes, and the beings that are associated with them and cryptic and. Go send a number of other phenomena are are actually coming from a much closer to us than than let's say from alpha centauri would be the most credible place because that's four light years away. And it's conceivable that they must've learned how to bend space and time. Well, yeah, they would have to bin space and time, and if you've been space and time, then you're talking about dimensional things. And if you're talking about energy mentionable things, you're already conceding the point that there are inter dimensional space. You know, if you you can't just blithely do a Star Trek thing and say, oh, we go into hyperspace. What is hyper space? I mean, I understand the term. But but it basically means that there are shortcuts outside of the universe as we understand the universe. Well, if there are and that enables extra. Terrestrial travel. It also means that inter dimensional travel from a much closer source is entirely possible. One of the things that has puzzled me over the years. George is is that at the very beginning of Ufology, and I don't go go back quite that far. I got actively involved in one thousand nine hundred sixty of course, it was about fifteen years before that that the the awareness of the phenomenon came to public view as we now understand it. I think it's as old as the earth, actually. The first thing that people said other than oh, these are just conventional phenomena that are misunderstood are hoaxes are otherwise explained in conventional terms kind of the Cy cop explanation for things. The first thing that people jump to was. Belief in flying saucers from other worlds. And I wonder why the leap immediately to that. There isn't any clear reason, no one has ever seen a UFO traveling from another planet. They're all seen here or very close to the earth. And that suggests to me that they are a product of our own environment. Do I think that there's a conventional explanation for absolutely not? No, I think there is a very very unconventional explanation and sort of alluded to that. And the fact is most of the nuts and bolts ufologist. They pull their hair out when they hear about that. Because they're they're convinced that these are machines, very like the Mars Rovers only a little more advanced than that. And that they are from elsewhere in the known universe and. For for the life of me. I don't understand why that particular leap. I also wonder about the term belief in that context. Belief doesn't fit into my picture of the subject at all. I can check. Sure, I hypothesize, but belief is something that seems to be out of the religious universe. And there's nothing wrong with the religious universe. But that's why the psychologist Carl young was interested in in you photos. It's not that he thought that they didn't have some kind of objective existence. But the excitement over it was clearly a new era. Belief system and with all of the trappings of a new religion. I kind of expected that it would become that and for few people that has, but I think we need to look beyond the ETA the extraterrestrial hypothesis into things like inter dimensional transfers that take place, and if that also leads to some notion that there is a way to skip space even between star systems even between galaxies. Because. Distance is no object. If you're talking about some sort of outside of the universe property, which you can go into and then come out of where you want to which is really what what people are talking about that high Papa Cise that then maybe the two or the same thing, including inclination is to think. Hey, we're here they're here. So why think of them as being from you know, a galaxy far far away. They don't need to be. You've investigated men in black situations who or what are they? Well, there there are a few cases mostly from the nineteen fifties. This is very key point, by the way, that I think because of the nineteen fifty three CIA panel on UFO's that concluded it really wasn't looking into whether they were real or not whatever you defined as real they were more concerned about the fact that in the the July nineteen fifty two cases, which by the way was the first one I ever ever heard about which was my father saying block saucers over the Pentagon. And that just a great story. My little six year old ears. You know? So I'm have been a born in into your policy are on the reincarnation of a previous Ufology, but in any case in all seriousness. I think that the CIA panel was most concerned about the fact that all of the. Warning systems that we had to protect us from a Soviet attack. Whether such was actually in the works or not were overridden, by UFO cases during that that period the filter centers for the civilian the ground observer corps, which was a civilian thing to spot enemy bombers or something that was stated now. But was was a useful tool back then and the the the call centers that were receiving information on anything that was an identified like, whether it was a bomber or whether it was a craft from alpha centauri, or whatever it was. Jammed every if we had been attacked that. We weekend. It would have been a surprise attack. And we would have been caught off guard because the phone lines were jammed shirt. Radar was looking for flying saucers rather than for. So the CIA concluded that private UFO organizations, and you have to be, you know, nineteen fifties. Think here to understand the involved, but UFO private organizations could be infiltrated by communist agents. I know this sounds a little weird. Yeah. But this is you know, this is the CIA nineteen fifty two which is still relevant communist under every rock. Yes. The communists under the rock. Where apparently interested in flying saucer groups in order to generate sake UFO reports in order to to duplicate the jam up that took place in July fifty two over DC. And because the CIA said that they recommended that the government break up private UFO groups shortly after that. A number of private UFO groups were visited by intimidating people who they interpreted or later people like my life friends. I agree Barker interpreted as the men in black the problem with that theory, if you carry it forward is first of all we're not in that kind of era anymore. The CIA panel was you know, I was probably was before you were born six time. It's it's not relevant now. But the men in black keep showing up, and in fact, as I've delved into it there men in black cases going back to to antiquated. So clearly that wasn't the CIA recommendations that that government agents scare other scarier private Ufologists out of business. Also, most of the witnesses two minute block cases are not Ufologists. They are. In fact, witnesses. Either to UFO cases cryptic cases or some other strange phenomena and a few days later, the blackout kids show up at their door. Slender man shows up or classically the three minute block. When I look at this in depth naturally. I turn to the Albert bender case, which tell us that. Well, okay. So bender was from Bridgeport, Connecticut, he just passed on very recently. He was World War Two vet had an interest in science fiction. He also had an interest in flying saucers. And he set up the believe called the international flying saucer bureau if came and went before my time, but. Unknown to most of the people who have had something to say about his case. And he's practically every traditional book on UFO's talks about it for starting with gray Barker's, they knew too much about flying saucers, which was published. Just a couple of years later. I believe in nineteen fifty six if I remember, right and keel who I also knew very well. And and practically everybody has has mentioned that case if they're at all involved in this. They talk about. As if he were invent bender was investigating UFO's with this probably two hundred member. If that flying saucer group got visited by people who scared the bejesus out of him, and he shut down the bureau and would not talk about your foes ever again, supposedly he wrote a book called flying saucers in the three men some years later, but he didn't write it rapper feet specifically since the end points of the chocolate or the Meridian systems are down there on the end of the you can just even just touch in the end stage of hospice can help people to really crowned. And remember they have a body because a lot of times they're floating in in-between state where they're not quite ready to go, but they're not quite fully here. So if you're touching her gently with your hands or just putting essential oils on her that could potentially. Initiate more movement. But it's really it's not it's not up to us. Right. It's up to them, right? Brittany. Thanks. Appreciate you being part of the program. What was your favorite part of your book journey integrase completing it? Yeah. Writing it was a really cathartic experience for me, and it was full circle. And I really felt like putting myself out there in that way. It's a it's a really intense read, and you know, what's really exciting. Georgia's it's in the hands of a couple of really wonderful Hollywood screenwriters really a lotta track would be cool be cool. And you know, it's what I'm here to do is exemplified the fact that we can be really grounded and powerful with our psychic and intuitive guests and take the fear away. Take the stigma away and be able to kind of normalize it more into the mainstream. So that we can live more empowered life. Let's go to David and Albuquerque, New Mexico. Hi, David squeeze you in here, sir. Hey, george. Hey, sarah. Let me be quick because I see you're just about out of time. Hi, first of all, I have a couple of raven to have a nest in building here in my property and been here for a few years. They have a new chick every every spring, and oh a quick thing. The motorcycle that the gays and he went out into the intersection all my life. I've I have been when I come to a stop at an intersection, I whether manual or automatic, I take it out of gear like manual. I don't just leave. My foot on the clutch and leave it in gear. In case, you have a heart attack repass out, or whatever I I actually take it out of gear. So that that doesn't happen. Well, I I had told Georgia. Previous call about. I had found a girl who is dead that had committed suicide suicide like forty eight hours earlier, and she was in a spot where she likely would not be found for a year, if I hadn't found her two days after she killed herself. And just before I found her I was gonna leave I want I needed to leave the area was big mountains in Wyoming in the middle of nowhere. Wow. But I had this. I had this literal poke hugging feeling at my of my jacket, the caller, I my jacket. The lapel wasn't actually where there was a physical movement. But it felt just like that cycle psychically felt like that. Right. I was compelled to walk down the mountain on direct line. It took me directly to where her. She had crashed her car about two hundred yards down. And I'm wondering if you have any insight into whether that's all in my head. Or if there was something there, thirty seconds, Sarah. Go ahead, totally not all in your head. It was either her was one of your guys getting you to discover her body. So that she didn't have to perish and not nobody know what happened to her. So she would have transitioned over knowing that she had been found in discovered. Thanks to you. Good luck with your program, and the people.

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