Kelly, Jason, Australia discussed on Bloomberg Businessweek


And Kelly from Bloomberg radio to this store has the front and center Jason no doubt about it's been in all of the news reports but I also feel like the golden globes good so many actors and actresses bring attention to the fires the devastating fires in Australia well it's an amazing story and a really important one and a reminder of the fragility of the climate right now who better to talk about that angle than air crossed and he joins us from our green team tell us what's going on in Australia and the implications from a climate perspective it's very difficult to dispel what's going on on the ground there and the incredible suffering their fan two dozen deaths and communities have been up rooted and have uncertain at least near term futures you take a step back you see that this is wrong a part of a problem we've been talking about for a very long time and the climate change and the fires are over I hate the fires of this scale which basically never been seen before will go on for months they've already been going on for three or four months and Australia isn't even in its peak summer season yet there's not a lot firefighters can do they can try to contain them protect people and property but expect this to be in the news for months you know what's interesting is that this story that talks about that the bush fires that have burned a combined area twice the size of Swiss Switzerland and as you mentioned they're not done yet so it just to get an idea in terms of size and scope it's not only that but think about last year I guess more than a year ago now and California five writers and those absorbs so many people's attention because so much devastation in this country and also we spoke last year in two thousand nineteen about terrible fires in Brazil the Australian fires are more than twice as much as the California two thousand eighteen in the Brazil two thousand nineteen fires combined and so how does this play into the climate picture mean what are the the direct ties or even the indirect ties that we can draw from this devastation it's pretty straightforward the low two thousand nineteen was the hardest year in Australia on record which goes back about a hundred and forty years so globally it was also the driest year in Australia on record and those are the two things you need to have a bad fire season the new months and months ago that it was going to be a terrible fire season just because of what two thousand nineteen was like in Australia and also with the last twenty to thirty years have been like in Australia which is depending on what part of the country we're talking about a ten or fifteen percent trend towards drier conditions I think most of us I think it's safe to say who are you know reading about this and folks that are reporting on it or saying it's climate change and yet from what I understand within the country that they're not necessarily saying it's climate change is that correct the political leadership the prime minister has not embraced the vast elements of these fires that is climate change that is a kind of political behavior we've seen more and in Australia before we see it in the United States we see it in in other countries it's not based on factually tenable positions you cannot say that climate change is not happening N. B. corrects it is human caused and it's an increasingly important factor in every day whether what kills me about the story I just have to bring this up because you this story kicks off a talks about a report that was released back in July of two thousand seven I think about the New York times that did reporting decades ago right was it about climate change and there were things that could have been done to prevent where we are today so it's not like oh my god we all woke up and said look what's happening to our climate like there has been a lot of research and reporting done for decades that this is where we were headed here we are today I think it's it's we is it is it is a word that you know I'm I'm serious that really deserve some scrutiny here like we as a human community led by scientists who study what's going on have known about this for a really long time we people who get up and have families and have jobs and are just trying to get through the day do not know it takes an issue climate change it's an issue it's complicated or at least until the last few years it's been complicated so I think there's a lot of people who are still waking up and realizing that this issue is not like any other issue right there is a scale and an inevitability or error inertia to this issue that's different and worth noting the problem is and you guys pointed out fossil fuel still make up what eighty five percent of our total energy consumption that's not likely to change anytime soon we hear about auto makers and everybody working on it and other you know companies working in terms of alternative energies but that's the reality of where we are and unless we change that and you guys point out the story there's the technology out there to do it it's just not being either embraced are enacted fast enough yes and no like we do we do have the two rules and the love story the last ten years has been absolutely breathtaking and fascinating to watch and that's the eighty five percent decline in the cost of solar power in the last ten years the fifty percent decline in the cost of wind power in the last ten years and there's even there's even a really hopeful signs in in many nations already there's a room really I wish I had it really dramatic depiction of the United kingdom's energy use historically and the vast majority of it is cold and so this chart is most of it is just black representing coal right and then what you see in it over the last twenty years is this vast use of coal goes down to almost nothing gas comes in as removals come in as nuclear comes in so Great Britain has done a really remarkable job in a very short period of time almost making cold disappear and this is the country that led to the our foray into fossil fuels right in fifty years ago that's Eric Ross stand and I have to say Jason United talk about the story all week long it's devastating to see the fires and the magnitude of these fires over in Australia and the point is and I still am stuck on that that statistic that these fires a combined area twice the size of Switzerland they're continuing to burn but that's what we're talking about they are huge well in the implications here you and I've been following this is you say all week you know both online via social media you know you flag a tweet that noted that a billion animals have been killed you know you've had a couple dozen people who've been killed in all this and yet the ramifications go far beyond that in many ways in terms of the economy but also the geography the typography right on this continent this story one line in it you know we talk about climate change and and we hear about academic studies and so on and so forth but they say what's what's crucial about what's happening here is that you're getting the real I feel for just how bad things might be calm because of climate change right it's front and center and you can ignore it so really really travel and you do wonder if behavior does.

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