President Trump, United States, Claremont Institute discussed on Hugh Hewitt


Do after President Trump declared himself to be a nationalist just a follow up on your comments about being a nationalist? There is a concern that you are sending coded language or a dog whistle to some Americans out there that what you really mean is that your white national? I've never even heard that. I cannot imagine that previous caller did a great job in identifying this. It's almost like Jim Acosta's, Google, search you type in nationalist. Did you mean white nationalist, it is absolutely shameful? Joining us now to discuss is Rahim Qassam. He was one of the very first people to start using this term of of nationalism. He is an author. He is a Claremont institute fellow and he joins us now here on the Hugh Hewitt Show. Bob, France sitting and we're thank you for your time. How are you? Well, thank you for having me. I have to say I wasn't one of the first ever. Given the nationalism goes back hundreds of years, certainly certainly in modern times. I think we we reintroduced political lexicon across the across the ocean. I'm here in the United States. I think that's that's a that's a great point a great distinction. And and let's let's talk about as the president declared correctly. When he when he tried to draw the contrast between globalism thinking more about the world's needs rather than the needs of the nation that you are elected to represent the president said that very directly that he means nationalist in that I'm going to put my people I will worry about the concerns of us to the rest of the gloves. Second he said that nationalism is nationalism is kind of become a word that you don't use anymore. And I think we should use it again. What did he mean? And why he's right, of course, because you saw the instant reaction, right? But why did a term nationalism which when compared to globalism is a pretty benign term as far as I'm concerned that says we're concerned about our. People before the world's people. Well, he was actually being wrong generous about globalism. I mean globalism if you think about what it's done. I'm over the pulse. Fifteen or twenty years actually, how he really concerned itself with the rest of the world is concerned itself with political and cultural and media relief around the world. Whether it's in Beijing, London or New York City of Los Angeles, really served to be addressed all the very very very few. Not very very very few have been exploited workers in bunks factories, and exposing jobs from Racine. Wisconsin. Now, I've seen the reason that Trump saying. Leave even a nationalist wrong people involved in meteorology, especially because. Now for several years. And I think people who have studied his life, by the way have seen over the course of his life, especially when he talks back three deals, and that sort of thing that he's had these nationalistic tendencies, but he's actually come out. And he what he's doing by Sega is is crazy gives another dividing line. He's very good at doing this a defining line that he knows that the Clinton machine the Democrats the media one of those guys that they have to attack that line. They have to attack that filing, and they're very hard many. Why wouldn't you be he's indefatigable even at the age of seventy whatever he is. And they do have been lecture logged in so they can't fight the idea of nationalism and into the idea that the nation states should be the final arbiter should be sobered is almost impossible, especially amongst Americans. I mean you you'll revolution. It was a nationalist revolution. Hamid Hamilton's report on the subject of fractious was a nationalist document pity Roosevelt said about having one flag, one one language and say goodbye to the immigrant who wouldn't assimilate. He's nationalism and they don't have arguments against that. So they're tired. They're angry. They're upset another from them. That's what we've seen play out lost any routes. I think that's well said the only argument they do have against that is just say to scream racism, which of course, is the, you know, the easiest argument to make him Qassam is our guest he is a fellow with the Middle East forum. The gates stone institute in the Lincoln fellow at the Claremont institute. You know, the president said when he pulled out of the Paris climate accord, he said, look I care more about and I was elected by the people of Pittsburg not the people of Paris at another event he said in his first year in the presidency. I was elected president of the United States, not president of the world. How can any elected official whether he'd be president or member of our congress or anywhere else suggest otherwise your job is to represent the people that chose not to represent the interests of outside nations. Especially if it comes at the expense of those who chose you to lead them. That's a really great point. And there's actually a fantastic book. That's just come out on this subject. It's it's cooling virtue of nationalism up professor cooled, you'll Ramazzotti and and he he sort of explaining this. How would also and by awful. I mean, the rest of the world saw the United Kingdom. I and I'm staring maximum an empire that we once had right now. You know, it's sort of what we've done historically imperialistic realistically. Look to one leader, you know, whether it's the king of England or the holy Roman. The world is used to having in deferring power upwards to one person wherever they already well. Several people wherever they are the will and the world is currently doing that. Hysterically. A few decades with the president of the United States, you referred to a broad whoever is in that in in that okay is referred to as the world leader, the most powerful man in the world, you know, all of that sort of thing. And it's refreshing your set, not just I think Americans would tide of five trillion dollars being spending Iraq and Afghanistan looks to be no money for public schools in Pittsburgh. Right. I think it's refreshing for them. But it's also refreshing should be refreshing the rest of the world where nations like Italy at nations like the United Kingdom and nations. Like, India, Australia and holding a free independence over nations actually don't have to act as protectorates anymore. They actually do have to active independence over nations. And this is another thing that President Trump's strategy that NATO he says, look, I'm not looking for protectorates are looking for allies this. This is a major reset what's going on. Now. And it pains me to say that when you talk about nationalism. Yes, says there was a period of history with nationalism nationalism, specifically, very ugly, very quickly and spiral out of control. But it pains me the people don't know that nationalism is she goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and still applies to many countries. Most countries I would say around the world. But for whatever reason, let's media, then we wanted to apply to the United States. Now, they don't not with the not without negative connotations. Obviously, not working you were a senior adviser to Nigel Farage, could you? Would you not suggest that Brexit in and of itself was an expression of nationalism? We're not going to be beholden to the whims of the EU. We are going to kind of take on our own charter on course, from this point forward is that not nationalism. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, when you look at what the Brexit campaign represented in early. Well, twenty fifty fifteen into early twenty sixty what it was was saying, hey, we don't want to be ruled by Brussels. No, most people know this. And I would I would be very surprised if many Americans knew this because it's it's not thinking about often even in the UK. But about eighty percent of our legislation was coming from Brussels before the Brexit back, and that could be legislation or regulation..

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