Gary Gary Busey, Jerry Dwyer, Holly Fan discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


Welcome back to coast to coast. Let me tell you about Gary Moore gear the author of the critically acclaimed book playing with the enemy winner of the two thousand six military writer's society of America book of the euro award playing with the enemy is currently option. Does a major motion picture Gary is a contributing author for chicken soup for the father and son soul and a self syndicated columnist with a degree in music education from vendor cook, Gary has performed professionally music of all genres and taught students of all ages and groups and will often mix his percussive performance skills. Into the subject matter at hand. Gary welcome to the program and welcome back should say, George. Thank you so much. It's it's a pleasure to be on. And and it's great beyond with you. I've been a fan I had a chance to interview Kenny aronoff about a year ago, the great drummer and God, he's he's exciting. He wrote a book, and he's one of a kind one of. Kind. You must know all kinds of musicians to. I do I do. I've it's been a real pleasure. Most of my life. I've been able to be around some of the some of the great ones out, you know, for me, the greatest crime river was buddy rich. Yeah. Every time I hear that song American pie. Yeah. I think of this tragedy. This incredible story. How did you get interested in it? You know, I was never a buddy Holly fan. Strangest thing the way it was drawn into this. My my mother-in-law who is just that was just the kind of wonderful woman you'd ever meet. Lived in Iowa grew up in in Waterloo. She for her seventy fifth birthday said she wanted to go to the reenactment of the winter dance party. Well, I thought the winter dance party knowing her age must've been ballroom dancing. I thought I should take some dance lessons by later found off out that she was just a rabbit buddy Holly fan, and I didn't know it. And so we we went to the reenactments. It was a performer by John Mueller who travels with the show you owned the right now to the winter dance party, and you know. Sat through the the evening. And it was he was great music, and you know, wonderfully performed. The big Bopper was performed by the big Bopper, real life, son. And he was great and emotional than the performance. Did Ritchie Valance was outstanding and John Muir modest buddy. Holly with a great, but nothing really trip my trigger excited until the very end of the show. John announced that he was about to sing a song called. Hey, buddy. That he had written. My first thought was you know, you're gonna ruin a beautiful night and interject something you've written and the song was so haunting captivating when it ended my wife went over me. And she started here running down my face. She said what happened what's wrong? And I said, I don't know. And from that moment on I was just almost on an obsession to learn more about buddy, Holly, learn more about and I determined that. I wasn't a right about the crash. I thought there's enough written about that. I just want to write about. You know, who buddy Holly was trying to find stories that people had written about, but. Ended up speaking to barbed wire who is the wife Jerry Dwyer the man who owned the charter service and one sentence that she told said to me grew crash and in my analysis of it. I gotta tell you. It was an incredible story. I was only nine when this thing all happened. So I was way too young to really understand it. But later on. I began to realize, you know, this was a huge story. And I've seen pictures of the plane. It is so mangled. Yes. It's it's a wonder they all died because there's there's nothing left to this plane in what's the big Bopper. Was he the one who is like tossed thirty feet away from everybody else? Yeah. Actually forty feet. He was forty feet ahead of the plane. And and and very scantily dressed most of his clothes had been removed, which seems shocking. He would be so far away and be undressed. But crash investigators will tell you that it's not unusual, and I actually worked with a crash investigator from the NTSB is we kind of recreated a crash, and he said that that's not surprising at all. Didn't they also find a handgun somewhere? They did. They did they didn't find the handgun until the spring. You know, it's not snowing when when the crash occurred snowed trout tonight. So as investigators arrived the plane the area was snow covered. And when they did the crash cleanup. They didn't hall the debris. Well farmer by the last name jewel was piling the field in the spring, so handgun. So he got out of it got out of the tractor picked up the gun was the at it. And for whatever reason did the dumbest thing do he pointed up the air pull the trigger and and we're off and so he evidence. Yeah. And so he thought well, okay. I'll take this to the to the sheriff the next day. And he did the sheriff looked at it. Then they found out from the serial number that it was registered Charles Hardin Holly, which is buddies real name. And that he recorded in the note that the hidden one shellfire. Beyond what he fired. No, just one just one just one. But he did not make a note it was fired by the farmer, and so a few years later, the newspapers got ahold of it. Made it sound like something happened in the plane something well, not only that photographer claimed that when he was taking pictures of the crash that he found a bullet hole in the in the back of the pilot seat, and it and it just became almost standard rock and roll Wisma time that. Buddy. It shocked pilot. Are you convinced at this point Gary that what happened was pilot's error? I am convinced its pilots air. Yes. I I I'm a pilot. And I was also a I spent six years my life is a charter operator. And so a lot of experience with pilots lot experiencing airplanes. And it is. So crystal clear, really what happened. You have a twenty one year old pilot. Who was not instrument? Rated in the weather was lousy weather was awful was office should never flown that day. No. I it's exactly. Right. And in the mazing, I I actually received hate mail and threatening meal. I rely. Well, I took the position in in. My book is is we kind of wrote this analysis that the one called, hey, buddy. Yeah. Exactly. And that that it was pilot error, and we lay out the exact every scenario the crash what happened, and there is a there was this through the years or has become a very strong. I guess lobby. I'd call it for Jerry Dwyer. Jerry is the charter operator. And Jerry had spunk before he passed away his out different theories to kind of make. I guess excuses for the fact that he let that plane take off right? He wanted to kind of take the load off. And so, and so, you know, when when when you wrote the crash now asus it obviously points to the fact that Jerry was the adult in the room he owned the airplane. He employed the pilot yet he put a twenty one year old unqualified inexperienced pilot who had a record of suffering suffering from vertigo. In in the pilot's seat of an overloaded bonanza which had had which would having a lot of problems and the crash lasted five minutes. You know finalists was everybody was fries that they that the plane crashed. I would be surprised if it didn't didn't even took off. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's just. It is a tragedy upon tragedy and the greatest tragedy is the fact that the operator actually, let the plane go in and you know, George he knew. Because the flight left shortly after midnight. And he's charter operator. He spent the whole day with the pilot checking the weather checking the plane he stayed in. It was record cold. It was by most counts it was with the wind chill was almost thirty below. And we came out here with the plane loaded the plane once the plane taxied off he didn't leave and go home. He went up to the when went up to an observation area outside watch the plane take off and stood there until the plane was out of sight and went to the control tower and tried to contact the plane. And in all my years of operating charter service. I never did that, you know, I had qualified pilots if I was at the airport, I'd help load the plane, you know, off that kind of thing, but you know. He was his action says that he was worried he was concerned, and you know, before Jerry got home and got to bed that night. Those those plane was dead was crashed though. Inhabitants of Lang were dead and getting cold Alrighty out there in the snow. Why so many conspiracy theories Gary about the crash, well, you know, better than anyone? Certainly there are conspiracy theories of almost everything anytime any time that we have people of prominence our heroes, especially if they die a. You know, a tragic, but explainable death. There's something encoded in our DNA that just doesn't want to believe that doesn't want to accept that. Jim Morrison still alive things like that. Absolutely. Absolutely. In fact, I was just a kind of going to the book I wrote the book was ten years. Go going to my notes, staff noon, and I was surprised you remember some of that. So many of the theories that I never put into the book that one of them is floating out there now, and it's all over the internet is it that the crash was fake the buddy didn't like his life. And and reappeared a few years later somebody else. That's interesting. Also, there was a theory about a bomb. Right. Putting a plane. Yeah. There is why would that pop up? Well, it is it is is it fact that during that time of rock and roll the organized crime, mafia, the Cosa, Nostra, whatever whatever you wanna call it. They were really working hard to take over recording industry, and he's young. He's you know, these artists were almost all of them were teenagers. They didn't know better. They were signing contracts. They should shouldn't have signed life way. And they were pursuing buddy pretty hard. The was was resisting and Peggy sue gern who is the famed. Peggy sue of the Tucson, you know, hit song. That's right. Yeah. Longtime buddy, our friend. Gary Gary Busey played the buddy Holly in the buddy Holly story in seventy eight by the way. Yeah. Absolutely. I remember him singing that song and did an incredible job. He did you really incredible job. The Peggy sue said that buddy had called her and talked to her about the fact that he was afraid said they were following the bus. They were they were threatening him and the the. And it's a plausible theory. But Georgia the thing that makes it very difficult to believe that that's well. First of all there was no I got to tell you the wreckage looks like he got blown up. Well, I've never seen a plane more mangled and all my life. Oh, yeah. It it ended up just being a ball of aluminum wire. But but they'd be the crash investigators. We work with said, you know, there was absolutely no evidence of a bomb in the plane if the plane had. There have been a bomb on board. The plane would have blown apart near the crash site. He pieces would've been everywhere everywhere. And this was a very tight crash site in the plane was almost totally in county in in in together but mangled mangled doesn't look like a plane. No, you would not notice an airplane. In fact, tell you a story we're we're the bodies in the rubble. The only body was in in the rubble was the pilot in fact. They were looking for the pilot, and do you know, they they found the plane around nine o'clock in the morning a little bit earlier..

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