Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, Cairo discussed on Here & Now


And North Africa became known as the Arab spring. It's a 2011 protest in Cairo, Egypt, which is where the BBC Selena Beale is now she's on Skype. Sally remind us how this personal protest set off the Arab spring. Um Mohammed bars Easy Woz, a street vendor. He woz suffering from very dire economic conditions, and he set himself alive out of despair and then The Arab world was shaken like never before. Demonstrations and coals for freedom and democracy started in Tunisia, but but they swept across many countries, including Egypt, Syria, Libya and Yemen. And the big question now, 10 years on after the Arab spring. Are these countries better off Because there is this big debate? Is it better to have a chaotic country that is free or a stable country that suffers repression? So use Egypt than where you are now is a case in point. I think a lot of people will remember Cairo as the center of the Arab spring, the longtime authoritarian leader, Hosni Mubarak was forced out. That happened in February of 2011. So when when you look at the oppression that existed then and as you say, the chaotic freedom that might exist right now, what does that look like? Over the past few days I've been talking to human rights lawyers and journalists and A number of people who took part in the revolution back and 2011, and many of them agree that perhaps the days of work are far better than what we have now, many off those who took part in the revolution, whether they are Islamists or liberals. Many of them are either behind bars or living in a self imposed exile. Or they are in Jane the dream they once pursued the dream for a democracy. A Democratic free state is now very far. It's maybe a story from the past. But they were political prisoners kept certainly under Hosni Mubarak and people are afraid to speak out, even say his name on the street. I mean, are things really not better compared to what we have? Nowadays, A lot of people would say human rights lawyers that have been talking to recently they say, yes. Mubarak, Woz and Autocratic ruler. He was a corrupt president, but he's still allowed some space for freedom of expression. I mean some books. Some movies could criticize the authorities. We don't have any of that. Now you cannot have a movie, for example, or a song that criticizes the government. We know that the Middle East is not one big swath, but but where have There have been improvements, if any in countries that experience the Arab spring. And where have things gotten worse? Tunisia It's always the answer to that question. Tunisia is the biggest success story in the Arab spring. But Tunisians still complain as well about not having a very bright future for Young men and women who over throw bin Ali 10 years ago. But despite that a lot of Arabs and be the Tunisians for the margin of freedom of expression they enjoy and that we deeply miss in countries like Egypt, for example. Tunisia, where it all began 10 years ago today, the BBC Sally Nobile in Cairo, Egypt. Thank you very much. Thank you. This is here and now. In rural parts of the United States. Coronavirus concerns have schools closing and opening and closing again. I think if you had to sum it up in one word, it would be unpredictable. So why are parents in some communities resisting safety measures like masks? I don't make him wear him. I'm just not scared of the virus, I guess. Seems like it's just a another string of flu on the next morning edition from NPR News. Join us tomorrow morning for all the latest while you've been sleeping on morning edition starting 2 A.m. tomorrow. I'm sure I'm Brody The European Union's top officials said today that substantial progress on many issues.

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