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I just wanted to mention that it really began in the 19 seventies. It's not really a result of the Trump Administration or any kind of trump movement. It's primarily due to the fact that the people of Northern California feel like they're not well represented by the state and generally kept in poverty. That's all I've got A picnic coming over. Yeah, thanks very much right. Appreciate that. I believe you're alluding to the state of Jefferson movement, which many of those rural counties Is in some of the counties in southern Oregon as well have been talking about for many, many years as long as I can remember and let me just ask you a C. What do you know about how loosely connected or how well organized the state of Jefferson folks are No, I think it's it's pretty pretty loose, and I think to your caller's 0.1 of the things that's interesting is it's kind of gained a new energy and a new life in the trump era, as more of these sort of right wing movements have been energized by Trump. And it's an idea that's around the country. You know, there are people on the East Coast who want to have a movement where the rural parts of Virginia seceded from the rest of the state. So it's out there. I want to bring in another guest. Now on, it's Carl Segar strum. He is assistant editor. High Country News, Carl, Welcome to the program. Scott and Girl maybe just pick up on what they see was talking about there. To the extent that you can this state of Jefferson movement and you know some of the anti government actions we've seen. In Oregon, for example. Yeah, I think one thing that's really important to realize about these movements is they have been gaining steam in organizing, um, during the Trump administration, but they've also kind of changed their target during the Trump administration, because Of a sense that they have been represented by the federal government, and Trump has kind of courted his movements, so there's been a renewed focus on local and state level efforts. That are, at times anti government and in times moving to replace the role of government. And in terms of you know, like the Bundy family, For example, up in Oregon, they were sentenced for some of their actions on federal land. I believe President Trump Hardened them. How active are they? And how do they fit in with all this? But to be clear the Bundy family was never sentenced for anything. They were acquitted of for both federal standards of federal agents in Bunkerville, Nevada, and at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, just to clarify where they were. They was that like a conviction that was overturned or where they at the trial level, where they acquitted. Yeah. The bunnies were acquitted at the trial level twice. Um, but the Hammonds were ranchers who are from that area of Oregon, where the Mount your wildlife standoff. Refuge, Occupation and standoff was And during the Trump administration, they were pardoned by President Trump. They were serving mandatory minimum sentences for setting fire to federal public lands. Their cause is what drew the Bundys who are not from Oregon. From Nevada, and some of them reside in Idaho to Oregon. And so fair to say that by the pardoning them speaking to their grievances the president has, you know, sort of accelerated and accentuated what their complaints are. Absolutely. It's definitely lead credence to it. Z put the force of the federal government kind of behind their claims about how they've been wronged by federal land managers. And leaders within sort of that's fear that's broadly called the sage brush rebellion had were actually put him in. A man who identifies himself as the city's fresh rebel was actually put in charge of the Bureau of Land Management, so you can kind of see that there's a clear nodding to that. That world view and that view of how publicly and should be managed within federal government talking. Excuse me. We're talking about extremism in the West with a C. Thompson from Propublica and Carl Sagan's term assistant editor of High Country News. We'd love to hear from you Give us a call it 866733 67 86 against 8667336786. Or you could get in touch on Twitter and Facebook. Where at KQED Forum. Here's some listener comments. Noel asks. How about the extremists in our police departments? A. See? What do you What can you tell us about that? I know there were at least two Capitol police officers who have been suspended. For apparently being sympathetic to some of the insurrectionists last week. You know, that's definitely a concern. I think what we've seen over the recent years monitoring this social media, police officers and military officers and enlistees is that oftentimes there is A certain sympathy for various extremist movements, and a couple of years ago. We saw a lot of that with the white supremacist movement in the last couple of years. What we've seen more of is sympathy with anti government extremist movements like the boogaloo movements and the militias. And we interviewed Rep. Andre Carson from Indiana just recently at the Capitol, and he said, Yeah, that's a concern of mine that there are police officers on this Capitol Police force who's seen, he said. Quote to sympathize and empathize with these radical elements who besieged the capital on. You know, we're seeing well, you know, For many years we've seen incidents and a lot of people say, Well, they're bad apples. You know, individual police officers with in San Francisco, for example, racist and sexist, homophobic texts that have gone back and forth between officers. To what extent do you think a see That uh, would happen with, say, George Floyd and the others who were killed at the hands of police is really Is it generating a kind of self reflection? Or is it more just sort of talk? I think you get both. I think you get police officers and police leaders who are very thoughtful and had are really concerned about The Deterioration of relationships between communities of color and police forces, and it's that's something I've heard from police leaders who I think are absolutely sincere in absolutely thoughtful, but I also think it's a radicalizing moment for a lot of rank and file, so we had months of protests where people were in the streets, saying We hate the police. We want to kill. Police were angry at police. Whatever it is defund the police. There are a lot of different messages and if you are a rank and file police officer, it's easy to understand how you might feel that you are under siege and that you are being targeted at this moment. So I think you know, you see a mix. You see people who feel like, Well, I empathize with with some of these groups that are on the right and I really don't like these three elements. Anti fascist groups..