Donald Trump, B. Anthony, ARC discussed on Two Broads Talking Politics


Anthony and it was pretty clear from reading what you wrote that that that's ridiculous that soupy that he would never wanted to have been pardoned for this a bit. Can you talk a little bit about her her story and it's clear that you feel some? Affinity for some of these sort of early warrior women in American Politics Yeah I mean the thing that I think a lot of people might not even really remember because we we aren't taught a lot about this. There may be a day if that of or chapter of women of the Women's suffrage movement. As you're growing up in, you know in history class or whatever. I don't honestly remember learning much about it in school. So when I, when I have been for the research but also just kind of as having like a hero or or or women figures to look up to as when I was younger the there there are only so many that you hear about about like Joan of ARC and. And You know people like Susan, B. Anthony that you've you've peripherally learned about end. So as I as I wanted to learn more about her I learned that these you know she fought is she in her peers fought for this right to vote and they died before it even happened so. You know they had to make these really incredible sacrifices to to even get us further and further. To Get closer to that you know such a basic right in one of the stories that I really focused on in the book is how she she in several of her. Her peers were actually arrested by they. They successfully registered to vote, but she was she was pretty fierce in she kind of scared these young men who were serving his election officials into allowing her to register under the basically making the argument that the constitution already provided for all. For All people all citizens to have the right to vote. So they allowed her to register, and then she actually voted and then two weeks later she was arrested and tried in the trial was a total mess in the judge basically didn't even allow the jurors to make the decision they he the judge force them to it, and just outright said that the jury. Must find her guilty and I think it's just a her her response in that moment was one that I kind of really went into the details around because it was just so powerful and it out was why when trump pardoned her so it was so clear she wanted to be a martyr is not quite the right word she wanted to make a point that. This is a fundamental injustice that she that women would be held a held as criminals for executing a basic citizens right in our our democracy, and so when were you know as we're as we're kind of moving forward in this and recognizing the sacrifices that were made into the fight that was that was that was undertaken by these women than pardoning her. is almost in a way it's acknowledging that or sort of saying that it was a criminal act ever which she flatly rejected and it's also saying that she you know it it takes the way the fact that she was defiant in that act so I wrote bad about it too. Once he did it and I think that it's a it's a pretty important kind of. A reflection of how trump is just totally clueless in an likes to take symbols and an e use them for political purposes in regardless of their actual intent. Is that in several places in an unbelievable. So in your book that you don't want other young women to be dissuaded by your experience of having. Had to step down and having had your personal life used against you in the media and you've started as pack to start encouraging women to run for office. But then I'm thinking like, how do we? Seems to be a tension between wanting to encourage women to run for office, and then what they're actually seeing I, remember I read an interview with you in fortune where you talked about feeling like a freedom now that you're not in office to say to say what to be straight about what is going on in your life and I'm wondering sort of how we negotiate that tension. How can we? Encourage. Other younger women to run for office when they see what happens to women who actually attain that power when they see sort of the the damage that gets done to them. Yeah. Well, the the the argument I make throughout the book and and when I talked to him in who are considering running or who are running now. Is that you are already a warrior in the fight for Women's equality whether you whether you want to be or not whether you think you are not. You already are because we're facing these these struggles every single day one in three women is. Statistically, going to be sexually assaulted throughout her lifetime. The statistics around domestic violence are insane and it's you know it's something that we that we really have to. Have to address on a fundamental level of the pay. Equality Pieces is impacting women and families to the point where. Really in a lot of ways considered second-class citizens still. When lip service is paid to the fact that we have a quality, but it's just not true when it comes down to action and and the way that things are implemented. So. My my argument is that you're you're already experiencing damages that are being done by us not having quality not having equal representation, and so you are. You're brave you are a warrior by stepping up and saying you're willing to run and you have know that you're you know these kinds of things can happen but I guess the sort of lesson from what I from what happened to me, and also what I think. You know I'm hoping by vice standing back up and saying, no, this isn't something that can take me down permanently is that the next time something similar goes down with a with another woman enough as that she doesn't feel the need to resign..

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