Listen: Donald Trump, NFL, Football discussed on Radio Atlantic
"I mean, it's not expected and I had no idea to be able to get in as deep as I think did. Yeah. Mark, you talk about the fact that. You were trying to find something outside of politics. And now, I mean, even this week, the NFL is squarely at the crosshairs of political controversy as it has been for some time in the form of Colin Kaepernick, but with the new Nike ad and with Donald Trump, Donald Trump who you wrote wanted to at one point own a football franchise, which I think a lot of people maybe who don't fall this Snicks Knicks. paul. Four decades ago. I mean, it's been like a lifelong sort of unrequited in a journey of trying to get into the national. Do you feel like there's a common culture like in politics and the NFL? And if so, what is that culture? Other than one fear and loathing? Well, I mean, it's it's reality TV for starters. I mean, it's Trump is the NFL for for a long time, been the great spectacle of American life. And I think that's one of the reasons that Trump has been attracted to it. I mean, he, he loves a circus. He loves a reality show. He loves carnage, right? I mean, it's right up his alley. It's it's tribalism. It's it's not very subtle and you know, it's NFL owners. One thing I've found it's like fake toughness like central. It's like a lot of vicarious rich guys, you know who like to think of themselves athletes. I mean, l Davis legendary owner of the Oakland Raiders in he actually used to wear padded suits to make him self. Look more like an athlete. Yeah, they all tell all these owners. I mean, I spent way too much time with these extremely wealthy, extremely unimpressive, old white guys who owns teams and they just like they all felt the need to tell me, you know, I used to play the game and like I remember I was talking to Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. He's like, oh, I used to play the game, and it's really was that he goes, Well, I, I played lightweight football at Columbia. So. Actually, you're boasting about it. Even if I like I was the lightweight player or even like Notre Dame, I wouldn't be boasting about. I will note for the record that as far more football than I've ever played. You didn't even play lightweight at Kolin lag, flag football, fourth grade. But anyway, so yeah, no, but no cabernet, politics is everywhere, and then Trump came in and so Trump his, his most recent four into this was trying to get the Buffalo Bills in twenty fourteen and sort of marker the priorities in our society. They wouldn't let him in. So as a consolation prizes he sitting in the White House heckling heavily. Yeah, from the bully pulpit, he can't be in their club, but he gets to be in their heads. Do. One of the things that I really struggled to understand is who has the most power in the league because it seems kinda complicated. I do. No. No, it's actually not that it's the, it's the owners, the owners. I mean, that's what's really unique about the league. It's really ridiculous if you think about it, it's thirty two, extremely eaten again. I mean, if you were putting together like an all star corporate board for like Federal Express or apple or Bank of America, you know, Nikon ACC American Corporation. You could pick any sort of board members you could. I don't. I think maybe two or three of these thirty two owners or people would even consider. Okay. If you were trying to find like a great CEO Roger Goodell would not be the person you would hire to run this incredibly powerful, cultural entertainment, sporting entity that that that just sort of captures the imagination of so many people in America. So I wouldn't. He be? Why wouldn't he? Because well, first of all, he's just he has a very narrow sort of football mind, but the ability. I mean, I don't think football is in any way prepared for the vast sort of cultural issues that it has.."