Dr Robert, John, L. A County Board Of Supervisors discussed on John and Ken


We're gonna talk with Dr Robert winners right now. Dr Robert winners is board certified. Infectious disease specialists. Westside Travel on Immunizations in Santa Monica. We have had him on many times during this virus outbreak and talk to him. About what's gone on today, where the L. A County Board of Supervisors decided to AH uphold Dr Barbara Ferrer's decision to ban outdoor restaurant dining. As of 10 o'clock tomorrow night. Which is just catastrophic for 700,000 people who work in the industry. L. A County Dr Winters welcome. Good afternoon, John. You're doing a great job. By the way, the absence of can keep it up. You can pick the nice week to take off. I'm busy week for sure. I'm exhausted with all this nonsense. What? What's your opinion on this? This restaurant closure. Well, look, it's kind of funny being in the medical profession. I really I get the idea that we have to prevent people from dying. We have to prevent people from getting sick and you know, we've talked about this several times before, and it's really kind of like a mathematical problem on all I get all I can tell you is you look at the number of people that have been infected with covert across America. You look at the number of deaths and I know it's a rough estimate on both sides. There's about a 2% death rate and about anywhere from 5 to 5 to 10% severe illness where people end up in the hospital but a 2% death rate across the country. You look at l. A county you had 370,000 or so cases you have last time. I looked 7446 death. Guess what that comes out to 2%. So we're that's a fairly standard figure. Now is about a 2% mortality rate for across the line for code infection. So now you're a politician. Okay? You're the governor. You're the mayor. You're an epidemiologist, and you have to say to yourself. Look, what are we going to do? We're gonna let 10 million people in L. A county. Get exposed to covert and do nothing about it. We know there's a 2% mortality rate. Hey, there's a 10% risk of severe illness. So 10% of 10,000,001 million of our fellow citizens are going to end up in the hospital. We can't have that happen, and nobody really wants to have blood on their hands individually. Plus, look, they are tasked with doing the right thing for society. So that's the problem that you have to look at. And that's the reason for all this. Now do I believe in closing. Restaurants are going to solve this problem? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I think they've probably some degree overstepped their authority because it's not going to solve the problem. I think it's egregious. Behavior on their behalf with very, very little expected gains from that closure. Well, you've given the most charitable most understanding view of, you know the job of these politicians and Dr Barbara for rare And even if I grant all that They still have to make intelligence, intelligent, data based science decisions, and there's no science to cutting off. Restaurants. Well, understand something when you go to your local market, you go to Costco. You you go out. You're wearing a mask. What is one large activity number of people, uh, in a relatively confined area, where they take their masks off. That's dining, So we made the exception. Well, Dining outside is better because you have a recurrence and you have wind blowing this virus away and we eliminated indoor dining. But still when you're eating outside, you have your mask off. What other great activity where large number of people can congregate where you're gonna have your mask off. So you look at what I don't say it's low hanging fruit, but it's an activity where people aren't wearing masks. Right and I couldn't tell you, but at the same time it's not producing the spike. Well, I agree. If you know the figures where we talked a little over 3% of the cases were attributed to restaurant dining. A ZAY told you a couple of minutes ago. I don't think it's going to solve the problem and again. I think the restaurants have done a heroic job doing what they could to help prevent transmission. We live on the same side of town. I'm just going with what I see with my eyes and I see them really taken taken as as extreme measures as you possibly can. Hey, listen, Can I tell you story real quick to three nights ago, I went out to dinner. The waiter was wearing a face shield wearing a mask, gloves standing 3 ft away. You know, I I ordered salmon and a side of rice and I got a ham sandwich and a cup of ice. It was pretty good, but it's not what I ordered, right. I know you can't understand the waiter and he can't understand you. But what you just said, is what I'm saying. I've seen waiters with double masks. Double master the face shield. One mask in a face shield. They are standing several feet away. They're straining t Hear what you're saying. I'm straining to hear what they're saying. Often they're saying it an accident, an accent. I mean, for the most part, the orders have come out, okay, but people are making good faith efforts and their Sheila Cule saying, Well, no there a risk. I think that they're not You know, it's it's supposed to be like about 10 minutes. Yeah, well, we're without where you're really at risk. Not if you stay with the general freed away for a minute. You know, the data says he need about 15 minutes. Exposure. Uh, lesson 6 ft. Away to somebody that's infected to significantly increase your risk of coming down with covert 15 minutes over, Say, a 24 hour period. John. I understand the logic on their on their side of the equation..

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